I think Neville called it right, injuries can account for the results to an extent. But they can't explain just how bad performances have been all season.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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I think Neville called it right, injuries can account for the results to an extent. But they can't explain just how bad performances have been all season.
That all sounds pretty fair to me.
Anyway, you're talking about United-hating knob heads who played for our rivals. They'd find a way of criticising Ferguson if he were still here.
On the whole Ten Hag is getting off far lighter than he should be considering how bad he is. It's pretty odd behaviour to see some people applauding him for having a go at journalists the moment they start having a go. He should count himself fortunate it's taken this long
We just need to be patient, he will become as good as Arsenal
Really? A quick google search shows that in first half of last season the athletic had articles questioning if anything has improved in 5 years since mourinho, that ten hag is becoming one of the problems, that he must take responsibility for the problems, and that his shift to pragmatic tactics is costing United. That was a 20 second search. Again, add it to more vociferous criticism outlined above, I just dont see any argument that he has had mild criticism, or had it easy from the press, as credible at all. Not even remotely.
Read my above posts if you're interested. Unless somebody here can give an example of a plausible criticism from mainstream media that is considered severe, and that he hasnt been charged with.
Im honeslty interested - What is severe criticsm, that underachieving managers are routinely exposed to, that for some reason ten hag has been spared, and secondly, why have the media supposedly collectively spared him?
Its just utter nonsense. We can argue it back and forth all day, but I can literally find headlines, clips and articles calling him out of his depth, questioning his character and charisma etc etc, talking about his sacking - going back almost all season. (and some of last). Seemingly if I do that, the particular journalist or pundit wont be judged to be the ones you mean. Its all just plainly false.
I really thought the Ten Hag apologists would have retreated a bit after the last few matches, but I guess when people should fold their hand, they are more likely to double down.
I actually just feel bad for Ten Hag now. The injuries have been significant, but the lack of depth is partially down to him. He let Reguilon leave, he sent out a bunch of players on loan, his incomings have been a disaster — Amrabaat? Mount? Everyone loves Licha’s mentality, but he’s always injured.
Stubborn. When you have players that are full internationals and multiple major trophy winners not knowing how to defend in your system, that’s a manager issue and a tactics issue.
‘When he’s sacked, I’d do the following:
Sell:
Rashford (70m)
Casemiro (30m)
Varane out
Antony (25m)
Sancho (30m)
McTominay (20m)
Amrabaat
Evans
Martial
+175m
Keep Maguire, Bruno, Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, Diallo, Licha, Shaw, Dalot, Lindelof, Onana, Mount, Malacia (can’t get rid no market), AWB, and bring back loanees Fernandez, Pellistri, keep Turkish backup GK, Kambwala, Eriksen. Bring back Hannibal. That’s 20 plus Forson and some academy kids.
We need two younger CBs at a minimum. They should have pace to play a higher line (100m)
We need an honest to goodness ground covering DM to pair with Mainoo. And another young CM (70m)
We need a winger that can torch opposing FBs 1v1 to pair with Garnacho. And fast. (80m
We need another striker. (100m)
We need more cover at LB (20m)
Total 370m
net spend 195m
I’m tired of how we play. Ten Hag should be gone. Let’s bring in Tuchel to help us get into CL places so we can make more money and get a pipeline of youth with the new structure of Berrada, Ashworth, Wilcox. We can concentrate spend on really building out our scouting network and buying new talent.
I actually just feel bad for Ten Hag now. The injuries have been significant, but the lack of depth is partially down to him. He let Reguilon leave, he sent out a bunch of players on loan, his incomings have been a disaster — Amrabaat? Mount? Everyone loves Licha’s mentality, but he’s always injured.
Stubborn. When you have players that are full internationals and multiple major trophy winners not knowing how to defend in your system, that’s a manager issue and a tactics issue.
‘When he’s sacked, I’d do the following:
Sell:
Rashford (70m)
Casemiro (30m)
Varane out
Antony (25m)
Sancho (30m)
McTominay (20m)
Amrabaat
Evans
Martial
+175m
Keep Maguire, Bruno, Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, Diallo, Licha, Shaw, Dalot, Lindelof, Onana, Mount, Malacia (can’t get rid no market), AWB, and bring back loanees Fernandez, Pellistri, keep Turkish backup GK, Kambwala, Eriksen. Bring back Hannibal. That’s 20 plus Forson and some academy kids.
We need two younger CBs at a minimum. They should have pace to play a higher line (100m)
We need an honest to goodness ground covering DM to pair with Mainoo. And another young CM (70m)
We need a winger that can torch opposing FBs 1v1 to pair with Garnacho. And fast. (80m
We need another striker. (100m)
We need more cover at LB (20m)
Total 370m
net spend 195m
I’m tired of how we play. Ten Hag should be gone. Let’s bring in Tuchel to help us get into CL places so we can make more money and get a pipeline of youth with the new structure of Berrada, Ashworth, Wilcox. We can concentrate spend on really building out our scouting network and buying new talent.
Yes and people are passing comment on the source. I'm confused as to why you seem to be taking that personally.
You referenced a kinda irrelevant statement on a particularly sensationalist site.
He has certainly had a decent enough matchday squad available all season to get more out of the team than he has done.
I do think we over performed last season, we finished on like 75pts which use to be enough to win the league back in fergies day. The only reason we finished where we did and won a cup was down to one man’s form and that’s Rashford, he bailed us out so many times last season. This season he’s a ghost. There was times Last season where we played some good football and scored some good team goals.
How can he do that when he keeps throwing players under the bus and he doesn't think he's doing anything wrong anyway?
Well he wasn't hired to implement a mid block counter attacking team! It's fairly clear what he's referring to is a high press with fast transitions upon winning the ball. I interpret it as somewhat similar to Liverpool in their pomp under Klopp.
Chelsea lost 5-0 and everybody is laughing at Poch.
ETH lost 7-0 and some of our fans say that the press is too hard on him!
ETH lost 7-0 and some of our fans say that the press is too hard on him!
Ban them all from covering your pressers?!
Yep, those things are the same.
Let me guess… you play fm?
ETH didn’t mean to lose 7-0, it’s the bad eggs in the team that are sabotaging his effort or so they said
A man got beat 5 nil and you think that's funny?
They are not the same. One of them is 5-0, the other is 7-0.
Technically 12 men got beat 5-0.
If only the real word worked like that, no one is going to pay Sancho/Rashford/Casemeiro/Anthony wages unless all four go to the Saudi league which isn't going to happen. I'd probably actually keep Scott, not good enough to be starting but not a high earner and have him there as some sort of squad player. I agree with some of what your saying but I'd say a CB and CM will probably be the height of our summer business.
Impossible. This is the worst injury crisis in history, unprecedented in any league at any point ever, to any club, across any division in any country in any sports. We have had no healthy players at all. Zero.
No you don't understand, if the experienced and qualified professional does an audit that doesn't result in the manager I don't like being fired, then clearly he doesn't know what he's doing and is a fraud!
In reality, we won't sign that many players. We would probably sign 4. 1 CB, 1 CM, 1 ST and 1 LB. Rashford won't be sold, he will do well under the new manager in the 1st year and suck in 2nd year. It will take another 4 transfer windows to address some of the glaring issue. I just hope we get a coach that can unleash the potential of our players. I like Tuchel more than Potter or Southgate. He has coach many big teams around Europe. Like Emery, he will 100% do better this time round for sure. Guaranteed!
I’m telling you that wouldn’t matter with a MU coach.
These journalists are embarrassing. My question to Guardiola would be “Do you feel embarrassed because of MC being charged on 115 counts of cheating, calling your whole legacy at this club into question?”
And none of this down to training methods it's all just bad luck!
He’s properly pissed off. Maybe some of that will be unleashed on the players.Wtf
Where does the story that training is too intense come from? There are no intense training sessions between back to back games, but recovery sessions.
Is this really what you’re like as a person?
just constantly lashing out. brother I said “qualified people in established roles fail all the time” and your retort was “In respect of the frequency of audits, it is a few" and I’m confused cause surely you know that will be contextual. Like, for all means and purposes any performance review is an audit - do you walk around with percentage stats on how many football managerial audits and outcomes are proven to be right and correct decisions? You made the claim and I have to present percentages?There’s all kinds of need for concern when a nonsensical stance such as “qualified people = trust the audit” is a line being pushed here. You know, a forum.
No angry replies, man. You fought a good fight, but it’s done. Ten Hag is a bust.
At no point was that said by the way. Not thinking Wilcox is a fraud and knowing that he can get it wrong aren’t mutually exclusive things. If they decide to carry on with this manager it doesn’t suddenly erase nor answer my question marks around Ten Hag.
But yeah man since we’re going for silly exaggerations; if Wilcox decides to carry on with Ten Hag - I’ll start the anti Wilcox agenda. The game is the game.
That got a chuckle out of me.
Give him a 5 year deal
Give him a 5 year deal
That was an exaggeration, but that seems to be what you were alluding to - if Wilcox doesn't think Ten Hag has to go, then he's wrong and you're right. Pretty arrogant thinking.
Personally I'll accept whatever they decide, as long as there's a consistent target and approach beyond the manager then I'll feel we're moving in the right direction.
Tell me on good reason you're keeping Maguire and Lindeløf?
Two players who since they started making start or appearance dating back to the Sevilla Europa League Last season we've been shifting goals in for fun.
Hell no, both should be sold they are not good enough and never will be.
Agreed with everything except keeping the both of the chuckle brothers. Have to ship out one of Lindelof or Maguire
We overperformed this season? Out of the CL in group stage, in 7th place in the league, thrashed by Newcastle in League Cup and in the FA Cup final. This guy knows how to gaslight fans.
He sounds more and more like his head has gone and he knows he's finished here. The embargoed quotes especially.
Talking about his individual record as a manager and claiming making a cup final is a big over achievement, it's all quite Mourinho like. Yes we beat Liverpool on the way to the final and that is by far and away the best moment of the season but the other teams we've faced are Wigan, Newport County, Nottingham Forest and Coventry. It's not some out of this world success to have made the final when that's the route.
Also claiming the reason some utd fans aren't happy with this season is because we listen to critical opinions, I mean that's just bollocks. We've been an utter fecking shambles all season, you could have gone all year without reading or listening to any pundit or journalist and still know we've been appalling just by watching the games and seeing the results.
He also says this is the first time we've made the FA Cup final two years running which is just not true. We were in the final in 76 and 77, 2004 and 2005, we did it 3 years running in 94, 95 and 96. I know it's not a big deal but it's weird nobody has corrected him because he claimed the same thing on Sunday.
Talking about his individual record as a manager and claiming making a cup final is a big over achievement, it's all quite Mourinho like. Yes we beat Liverpool on the way to the final and that is by far and away the best moment of the season but the other teams we've faced are Wigan, Newport County, Nottingham Forest and Coventry. It's not some out of this world success to have made the final when that's the route.
Also claiming the reason some utd fans aren't happy with this season is because we listen to critical opinions, I mean that's just bollocks. We've been an utter fecking shambles all season, you could have gone all year without reading or listening to any pundit or journalist and still know we've been appalling just by watching the games and seeing the results.
He also says this is the first time we've made the FA Cup final two years running which is just not true. We were in the final in 76 and 77, 2004 and 2005, we did it 3 years running in 94, 95 and 96. I know it's not a big deal but it's weird nobody has corrected him because he claimed the same thing on Sunday.
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