Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho were not that long ago. I was ambivalent about Ole.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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That's not how football works
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Yeh I agree, I wish we would just announce that he is leaving at the end of the season. I'm actually worried that Ineos haven't actually made up their mind yet, which would be crazy.
fecking off this abomination of a manager doesn't mean we shouldn't or won't change player material.
Only happens if the club is stupid.
At the end off last season I was all about giving him another year. I supported his signings in the summer because although there were potentially some issues with it, I also felt he had a clear and decisive plan. But going back about four months now, I’ve been saying that the man is a fecking turkey. I have NEVER seen a more poorly organised, tactically naive United side as I’m seeing this season. Beyond atrocious defensively. The midfield set up is suicidal. And there is no upside, because the attack is toothless.
I don’t know if he’s clueless, completely lost the plot, never had a plot, or just overwhelmed by the job; but whatever it is, he has to go and that has been the case for some time. It’s clear he has completely lost the buy in of the players, who look as confused and frustrated as we all do. That said some, like Bruno, continue to try their best, while others…..looking at you Marcus…..appear to have completely downed tools.
I think Rashford has been very unfairly treated by fans in seasons gone by, as he’s often been our brightest spark under shitty circumstances; but this season he has been a disgrace, and I have no will or energy to defend him.
I don’t know if he’s clueless, completely lost the plot, never had a plot, or just overwhelmed by the job; but whatever it is, he has to go and that has been the case for some time. It’s clear he has completely lost the buy in of the players, who look as confused and frustrated as we all do. That said some, like Bruno, continue to try their best, while others…..looking at you Marcus…..appear to have completely downed tools.
I think Rashford has been very unfairly treated by fans in seasons gone by, as he’s often been our brightest spark under shitty circumstances; but this season he has been a disgrace, and I have no will or energy to defend him.
Yeah, changed my mind, he needs to go.
All I ask is not Potter or Southgate please.
All I ask is not Potter or Southgate please.
He put on Danish and Brazilian international’s against a fecking Championship team, who were two of the most experienced players on our bench.
There wasn’t some kind of massive tactical shift from Coventry. They attacked a bit more. You don’t need a change for that, the players need to take some responsibility. The likes of Keane talk about it all the time, funnily enough proper leaders.
I'm just having a laugh tonight but on a serious note. He didn't do anything special today, we were shit when we were 3-0 up but somehow Coventry were worse, they played with zero aggression and ambition, at 3-0 they had nothing to lose and upped their game while we roughly stayed the same. I don't think that ETH's subs hurt us because the players that were replaced weren't good.
And yes, even though I do put a big part of the blame on ETH, the players lack of grit during the game and especially during the second half is largely on them.
And yes, even though I do put a big part of the blame on ETH, the players lack of grit during the game and especially during the second half is largely on them.
Overall, he's not the worst manager post SAF because he's won something and he had a decent first season. But some of the performances under him have been the poorest of any manager post SAF.
Moyes and Van Gaal at their worst would have still won comfortably today.
We go life and death with literally any team in the league pyramid because our structure is an absolute joke and we're so easy to play against. Out of possession we have no intensity, no pressure whatsoever.
Moyes and Van Gaal at their worst would have still won comfortably today.
We go life and death with literally any team in the league pyramid because our structure is an absolute joke and we're so easy to play against. Out of possession we have no intensity, no pressure whatsoever.
We announce he's been unexpectedly called back to his home planet.
Honestly, this feels different. Moyes wasn't the right fit, for sure. But I didn't hate the football to the same extent as this. Van Gaal tried to employ a certain style that didn't work and it came off as boring, but he had redeeming qualities. I didn't actively dislike him. Mourinho had his moments, but it wasn't the right direction for us for the long term. This time around is just different. This is a much lower level of performance. I am looking forward to ETH going much more than the other managers, and I have been feeling that way for much longer/earlier in the season.
Similarly to LVG, I quite like ETH as a person so would have loved to see him succeed. Very different to Jose who I thought should have been sacked after his Sevilla comments, or Moyes who you just had to feel bad for by the end.
But Jesus christ we are bad. I'd be all for giving a caretaker - anyone really - a shot at the rest of this season, as its clear ETH's plan has been shot to pieces and he is incapable of fixing this.
Ole at the wheel for the final? I genuinely think it's our best chance at winning it ..
But Jesus christ we are bad. I'd be all for giving a caretaker - anyone really - a shot at the rest of this season, as its clear ETH's plan has been shot to pieces and he is incapable of fixing this.
Ole at the wheel for the final? I genuinely think it's our best chance at winning it ..
ITV can feck off I want to hear this fecker explain himself.
Bring Moyes,LVG,Jose and Ole all back for the final.
At least you know he'll drop Rashford.
If they sack ETH then a new manager is going to be given a chance to work with these players and make their own mind up.
Players that were a disgrace under Ole and Rangnick are still here under a 3rd manager.
The manager controls it partly by his substitutions. Taking off Mainoo and leaving us with no defensive midfield cover was criminal
He has to go now. Put a caretaker in and evaluate the players
Yeah, but the guy who starts Rashford every single game and never subs him will surely get rid.
Thing is we can’t just wait until late May too many clubs are looking for managers we need to make our move for next season
We’ll stall on a decision and get battered in the final meanwhile the best candidates will be already picked up
We’ll stall on a decision and get battered in the final meanwhile the best candidates will be already picked up
We can't close a single game out, no matter the opposition. Sorry but structure isn't going to change that, neither will fewer injuries.
Ten Hag plays him in every game and somehow ETH staying means Rashford will leave?
And the cycle continues with this club. If Ratcliffe and the new CEO etc are truly serious, they will be ruthless and kick plenty out starting with Rashford.
If they don't start being ruthless, nothing will change.
Van Gaal lost a game 4-0 to MK Dons, in fairness.
Again, if that happens the club is stupid.
The whole point of hiring a head coach after the sporting and technical director is that the manager coaches the team and does not build the squad.
Ratcliffe's people hopefully won't be as forgiving.
Utterly embarrassing shit show, I have mates messaging me saying it’s so fun cos they know we’ll keep him around as long as possible it’s got to that stage.
Blaming the manager is the easy and obvious answer.
As much as I’m not impressed with what we’ve been enduring this season, I want these players out first. Literally most of them Barr a few.
Doesn't really have many other options, Antony is a disgrace and Amad is probably not ready. New managers will want to assess again as usual.
Do we actually believe he’d have been gone tomorrow if we lost? It’s always gonna be at the end of the season. That’s when new things start, everything will be in place in the summer. ETH is going it’s just whether he goes on a high or not with the FA cup. We should take note of what spurs did with sacking Mourinho despite getting them in a final.
Well not really, the idea that he has been successful in that regard is just your opinion. All I did was pose the question based on objective events that happened well into his 2nd year in charge that maybe he hasn't managed to get a handle on disciplinary issues yet.
So why persist with something that clearly isn't working when there will be very little if any tangible benefit in doing that?
ETH's entire tenure at United has been driven by his calamitous transfers. All of them were his choices and spare Martinez (when healthy) they have all ranged from terrible to mediocre and after spending £355m in two summers, there's simply no defending him after falling from 3rd to 7th.
So we take off a 19 year old kid for a danish international and that causes us to concede 3 goals to a championship team? He’s clearly not taking him off for tactical reasons.
I’m bored of even coming across as defending him because I don’t want him here next season, but this squad, mentally, are as bad as it gets.
The club has been stupid for 10+ years
This isn’t based on anything, managers get rid of players when they come in all the time. Ten Hag backs Rashford, he isn’t going to be getting rid of him if he stays.
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