Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

[Stadjer]

By now I wonder if Julian Nagelsmann is the manager whose name is butchered in the most different ways on this forum

There have been some interesting ways of spelling his name on this forum If Nagelsmann becomes the manager, i think it would be best to refer to him as JN, Julian or Nag because his actual name seems a bit too difficult.

 

[stevoc]

Why would it? Harry Kane lived all his live in England and it sometimes sounds like his English finally improved after moving to München.

That's because Bayern hired an English coach for him.

 

[RedRocket9908]

Its looking like Erik is gone in the summer and I personally hope we get Nagelsmann, Potter is being mentioned lot but I dont think he is the right man although he is more qualified for the job than some of the others being mentioned like Southgate and Motta.

 

[saivet]

Its looking like Erik is gone in the summer and I personally hope we get Nagelsmann, Potter is being mentioned lot but I dont think he is the right man although he is more qualified for the job than some of the others being mentioned like Southgate and Motta.

Sounds like it's just an opinion rather than anything concrete he's hearing. Is he a reliable journalist? I'm not familiar with him.

 

[Berbaclass]

Julien Manglenamesmann

 

[mu4c_20le]

Its looking like Erik is gone in the summer and I personally hope we get Nagelsmann, Potter is being mentioned lot but I dont think he is the right man although he is more qualified for the job than some of the others being mentioned like Southgate and Motta.

Probably been reading the caf. We were just talking about how we would hear noise about searching for a manager if his position was actually shaky, and boom, noise magically appears

 

[clarkydaz]

why would anyone think Xavi is a good fit for players like Rashford, Bruno, McT etc. Our current manager gave up on his original plan due to us not being able to keep the ball

 

[Juice Juiced]

How are people still arquing about this fraud. Luton scored more goals than us. And less we speak about his CL campaign is better.

Worst manager in post Sir Fergie era.

 

[NLunited]

Not really. Do you fact check anything before you make any statement? Seriously. Koeman had Messi who scored 30 in 35 appearances in the league that year, Griezmann, De Jong, and a brilliant Pedri. They finished 3rd in the league. He started out with 4 wins 3 draws and 3 losses in his second season and was sacked in late October.

Question: is your username @NLunited a reference to being a Dutch national and having a bias toward Dutch managers like Koeman and Ten Hag?

Xavi‘s record wasn‘t better after 30 games even if you incorporate Koeman‘s bad start of the second season.

There were massive holes in the squad at st and in defence which were plugged after Xavi got there.

I feel like Koeman was treated badly and Xavi didn‘t do better initiallly, in fact they looked worse for a while.

He is not a good fit for us: cannot handle the pressure and wrong Football style.

 

[Giggsy13]

No my memory's fine mate thanks.

We had defensive injury crises regularly for many years under Ferguson, we just played 2nd or 3rd choice defenders and plodded on. It's not like we've been playing McTominay and Fernandes at the back all season, we've had good defenders available all season. Other than bad luck with injuries what else has happened that's so unusual that would explain our atrocious form/performances? The manage fell out with a player? Anything else unusual?

And it has to be pointed out (regularly it seems) our shit form didn't start this season. Our current awful form has been ongoing since last March, during that time we've probably mustered about 4-5 decent performances.

You’re comparing the greatest manager of all time with a title winning squad to ours that hasn’t won anything in 10 years. That’s really your best argument against ten Hag given the injury crisis we’ve had this season? You’re right not a memory issue, just a complete failure of perspective.

 

[Daydreamer]

No my memory's fine mate thanks.

We had defensive injury crises regularly for many years under Ferguson, we just played 2nd or 3rd choice defenders and plodded on. It's not like we've been playing McTominay and Fernandes at the back all season, we've had good defenders available all season. Other than bad luck with injuries what else has happened that's so unusual that would explain our atrocious form/performances? The manage fell out with a player? Anything else unusual?

And it has to be pointed out (regularly it seems) our shit form didn't start this season. Our current awful form has been ongoing since last March, during that time we've probably mustered about 4-5 decent performances.

I’m also baffled by how United’s season is described in this thread. There were were a fair few injuries and a falling out with player who was subsequently loaned to his former club. I guess the only thing you can add is the loaning out of Greenwood, but he already hadn’t been part of the squad for a while.

Some tough luck no doubt, but nothing “abnormal”.

 

[Max_United]

Thiago Motta
Xavi
Nagelsmann
Zidane

These should be our targets

Good list, and we even do not have to choose among them. I think we would be significantly better off with Nagelsmann as a manager, and the other 3 can still improve our midfield

 

[Zlatan 7]

I've been wondering this too tbh. Seems like a really logical option. He's leaving Barca by his own choice. He did a great job with them in his 1st season and even this season, Barca haven't been that bad by any means, simply behind Real. Likely going to be in the semis of CL at a minimum. His style of play based on possession is what we should be moving towards imo, instead of constantly relying on counter attack, as we have since LVG. He has a couple videos on the Coaches Voice youtube channel if people want to look into his tactics. He can speak English too and used it when coaching in Saudi Arabia (response to the person saying he'd need to learn a new language).

Here's the most relevant video:


The part about pressing would be the biggest advantage for us. Xavi really emphasises pressing high and winning the ball back in the opponents' half. We wouldn't be getting these big gaps between defence and midfield that we currently get under ETH. Similar to Al-Saad, our players could benefit from seeing the ball as a treasure instead of a bomb.

Enjoyed watching this. He does make it seem easy though

 

[Zed is not dead]

You’re comparing the greatest manager of all time with a title winning squad to ours that hasn’t won anything in 10 years. That’s really your best argument against ten Hag given the injury crisis we’ve had this season? You’re right not a memory issue, just a complete failure of perspective.

Funny thing is Fergie and Ten Hag are both having Evans as backup defender

 

[mu4c_20le]

I’m also baffled by how United’s season is described in this thread. There were were a fair few injuries and a falling out with player who was subsequently loaned to his former club. I guess the only thing you can add is the loaning out of Greenwood, but he already hadn’t been part of the squad for a while.

Some tough luck no doubt, but nothing “abnormal”.

Martinez out? Season over.

 

[Zed is not dead]

I’m also baffled by how United’s season is described in this thread. There were were a fair few injuries and a falling out with player who was subsequently loaned to his former club. I guess the only thing you can add is the loaning out of Greenwood, but he already hadn’t been part of the squad for a while.

Some tough luck no doubt, but nothing “abnormal”.

The injury crisis is a statistical anomaly. Your comparing of Partey and Timber’s injuries to ours when you signed Rice and have a steady back line is comical at best, or a show of bad faith

 

[mu4c_20le]

You’re comparing the greatest manager of all time with a title winning squad to ours that hasn’t won anything in 10 years. That’s really your best argument against ten Hag given the injury crisis we’ve had this season? You’re right not a memory issue, just a complete failure of perspective.

Perspective is a good word. Perspective is Ten Hag actually being lucky to have his entire backline larely injury free last season. Every top team bar Arsenal have not had that luxury this year.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

This explanation seems quite obvious and accurate:

Last season the rather conventional setup suited us (not only Casemiro, Eriksen, but also Fred) + we got a bit lucky with some players hitting great form. It also proved this bunch of players is capable of much more than what ETH was able to squeeze out of it this season.

There is an interesting question, what has ETH done since the cup win that would make people have any confidence in him? Did the Carabao Cup (what actually means winning games we were expected to win under any manager) has given him so much credit?

Nothing for me. The Cup was nice and a great moment but I'm tired of acting like it was this monumental credit in the bank, especially when you consider how poor we were post win instead of rising to new heights.

 

[Oldyella]

How are people still arquing about this fraud. Luton scored more goals than us. And less we speak about his CL campaign is better.

Worst manager in post Sir Fergie era.

I know it was a few years ago now, but you do remember David Moyes yeah?

 

[TrebleChamp99]

He is gone, mutual agreement, end of season.
Nagelsman offered terms.

 

[DJ_21]

I bet he ends up at Bayern if he leaves us at end of this season. We have to get the next appointment right. The new structure has to make it clear that we want a defined style of play. We want to see patterns, players moving, playing as a team. No more individual crap. Play as a team and we score lots of goals and concede less chances.

 

[2 man midfield]

Its looking like Erik is gone in the summer and I personally hope we get Nagelsmann, Potter is being mentioned lot but I dont think he is the right man although he is more qualified for the job than some of the others being mentioned like Southgate and Motta.

Who’s Santi JFM?

 

[DJ_21]

Thiago Motta
Xavi
Nagelsmann
Zidane

These should be our targets

Why is Motta getting a lot of mentions? Based on what? Why should he get the chance to manage the biggest club in the world. If he came and failed which he would everyone will be on his back like they are with ETH. Motta isn’t good enough for a top team wanting to compete for the biggest trophies. He’s alright at average teams like where he’s at now. Overachieving with an average team is easier to do than manage a team with high expectations. There’s no pressure.

 

[Robbie Boy]

He is gone, mutual agreement, end of season.
Nagelsman offered terms.

Says????

 

[TrebleChamp99]

Says????

 

[VP89]

Says????

No one, just his punt

 

[Juice Juiced]

I know it was a few years ago now, but you do remember David Moyes yeah?

I do.
EtH did more damage, financially and reputation wise.
Yeah, also 7-0.

 

[RedRocket9908]

Thiago Motta
Xavi
Nagelsmann
Zidane

These should be our targets

Thiago Motta isnt qualified to manage a club like Man Utd in a top league he has never managed in previously or even played in, he would be better continuing his development in Italy by taking the Juventus job.

 

[Berbaclass]

He is gone, mutual agreement, end of season.
Nagelsman offered terms.

Were you the guy with the INEOS source?

 

[Chesterlestreet]

When assessing him (as a United "manager"), it is hard to ignore that he by all accounts has had a lot of authority on transfers. Like his predecessors (as far as we know anyway - it seems Murtough did feck all).

Specifically, it is very hard (for a random fan) to separate the fact that he was instrumental in making Antony a United player from the fact that he is - clearly - not capable of making Antony look anywhere near a 100m player.

If Antony (and certain other players) had been clearly thrown his way - and his job had been to just make the best of whatever was thrown at him, then yes, that would have been a very relevant factor.

It's not really the case, though.

But then again, you could argue that he's still a brilliant coach. It's just that he's a shite DOF: he's brilliant at coaching players, just shite at identifying the players he's supposed to coach.

Except...he hasn't done anything to convince anyone he's a brilliant coach either. So, there's that.

I dunno, if I were Jimbo...I really wouldn't see many obvious reasons to keep ETH around. He can't possibly continue in a pseudo-DOF capacity (or whatever the feck his capacity has been up until now) - and he hasn't impressed anyone in terms of brilliant coaching so far either.

 

[stefan92]

I bet he ends up at Bayern if he leaves us at end of this season. We have to get the next appointment right. The new structure has to make it clear that we want a defined style of play. We want to see patterns, players moving, playing as a team. No more individual crap. Play as a team and we score lots of goals and concede less chances.

They so far always decided against him when they considered him an option. Why should that change now?

 

[BenitoSTARR]

We should maybe try AI managers next

3R1K 10.0H4G

 

[stevoc]

You’re comparing the greatest manager of all time with a title winning squad to ours that hasn’t won anything in 10 years. That’s really your best argument against ten Hag given the injury crisis we’ve had this season? You’re right not a memory issue, just a complete failure of perspective.

Stop talking rubbish mate and misrepresenting what I'm saying. I'm comparing a defensive injury crisis with a defensive injury crisis, nothing more. It's not like I'm saying we should be challenging for the league or anything, all I'm saying is having injuries. Even a bad run of injuries like we have shouldn't affect a teams position this much and it isn't a valid excuse for just how bad we've been for 12-13 months now.

Would or could an injury crisis affect a teams results/performances/season in a negative way. Absolutely of course it could and it has ours to an extent, but it can't explain why we've went from looking like a team who could be future title challengers at the start of last year to now being 11 points off 5th with a negative GD and on course for our worst PL campaign in history to go along with the worst Champions League campaign in the clubs history.

I'll also note you didn't actually answer my question. What else makes it an unusual season?

I’m also baffled by how United’s season is described in this thread. There were were a fair few injuries and a falling out with player who was subsequently loaned to his former club. I guess the only thing you can add is the loaning out of Greenwood, but he already hadn’t been part of the squad for a while.

Some tough luck no doubt, but nothing “abnormal”.

Yeah it's overblown to ridiculous levels in here mate, yes the injuries have affected us but people are using it as a catch all excuse to explain the clusterfeck that is United's 23-24 season. And yes Greenwood is a total non issue for Ten Hag. He's never played under Ten Hag and I don't imagine he would have been a big part of his plans anyway if at all. We started the season with Rashford, Garnacho, Antony, Sancho, Amad and Pellestri as wing options.

It's just a normal season that lot's of teams have. Some seasons you're lucky with injuries some seasons the opposite.

 

[RuudTom83]

But ETH has experienced players he has signed who are not starting. Look at Antony, if he was any good then Garnacho wouldnt be starting. Mainoo is great, but we chased Amrabat all summer and paid a big loan fee for him. He now sits on the bench. We know our defern

My post was about expectations…adding the 2 players you mentioned doesn’t change anything. It’s still not a team anyone would expect to challenge for CL?

If you are making a different point and want to blame EtH for the bad signings then fair enough. But that’s completely different to the one I was making.

 

[DSG]

Xavi‘s record wasn‘t better after 30 games even if you incorporate Koeman‘s bad start of the second season.

There were massive holes in the squad at st and in defence which were plugged after Xavi got there.

I feel like Koeman was treated badly and Xavi didn‘t do better initiallly, in fact they looked worse for a while.

He is not a good fit for us: cannot handle the pressure and wrong Football style.

You never answered the question.

Also, strongly disagree. Messi was still the best player in the world. It wasn’t prime Pique and Alba, but Busquets was still great, Pedri was outstanding. Koeman persisted with Dest at RB, that’s his own fault. Objectively, Xavi has been better than Koeman with a more unsettled squad. Just look at his record.

Both Koeman and Xavi have been treated poorly.

You’re saying Xavi isn’t a fit here is based on a bias for Ten Hag, who really isn’t a fit here. A single La Liga trophy is more meaningful than all of Ten Hag trophies as a manager combined. He’s won 5 of 7 vs Real. People talk about Ten Hag’s great win in the CL vs Real… Xavi’s record is better.

That, and Ten Hag isn’t a good manager tactically.

Look, I’m not saying Xavi is coming here. I’m not saying he’s a great fit. But saying that Koeman and Ten Hag are better or even equally good managers as Xavi is a horrible, horrible take.

 

[TrebleChamp99]

Were you the guy with the INEOS source?

Yes x2

 

[Grande]

But ETH has experienced players he has signed who are not starting. Look at Antony, if he was any good then Garnacho wouldnt be starting. Mainoo is great, but we chased Amrabat all summer and paid a big loan fee for him. He now sits on the bench. We know our defern

I am sorry but this is just naive. 'I see enough arguments from seven of his last eight seasons to think that he can come good again'. Really? Managing in the Dutch league is certainly incomparable to the PL, also he was managing by far the biggest club with a strong structure and strong resources. Its a huge step up to both the PL and United. He had a good season last year, but it fell off for much of H2. He also failed to rotate at all, so at least some of the injuries may be due to this. He has signed a lot of players, several of whom now sit on the bench and are not good enough. The key thing is performances. I don't care about results (which are bad) but we are just a mess. That is not 'bad luck', its just bad coaching. Against Liverpool, aside from Shaw and Martinez, its almost his strongest team. I don't understand why he insists on leaving us so open, from the first match of the season to the latest match. I expected Murtough to go, despite some reassuring noises at one point, and he is. I also expect ETH to go.

I think naive means something like not being able or interested to take in several adpects of information in favor of a simplistic view. I think the reasons you give for favoring ‘whomever else’ as an obviously better solution for next season sound simplistic, onesided and therefor naive.

The exception in your post is where you admit that don’t understand why he leaves us open. Finding out more about that would possibly give you a more nuanced view, I don’t know.

 

[Daydreamer]

The injury crisis is a statistical anomaly. Your comparing of Partey and Timber’s injuries to ours when you signed Rice and have a steady back line is comical at best, or a show of bad faith

United are sixth in the league when it comes to injuries. A “fair few injuries” as I said? Yes. A “statistical anomaly”? That’s a real stretch - 6th out of 20 is the upper end of mid-table. If you’re trying to say that an anomaly then the word has lost all meaning.

Also, it’s a bit mad saying you can’t compare United’s injuries with Arsenal’s because we bought Rice and have a settled back line. You’re talking about United like they’re Brentford.

Sometimes I feel like a rate United higher than their own fans. To quote Gary Neville, “This is Manchester United we’re talking about”.

 

[stefan92]

Sometimes I feel like a rate United higher than their own fans. To quote Gary Neville, “This is Manchester United we’re talking about”.

It's not only you. It's often embarassing how people claim United to be a big club and then accept them playing like some run of the mill midtable side.

 

[Red in STL]

It's not only you. It's often embarassing how people claim United to be a big club and then accept them playing like some run of the mill midtable side.

Being a 'big club' is not solely based on your playing ability