People moaning about the price of Hojlund, go look at the deals for Nunez, Ramos, Muani, Vlahovic, Endrick, Isak etc.
Young strikers cost a lot of money.
Young strikers cost a lot of money.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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He’s not being asked to succeed with this bunch though. Many fans have been cucked to a point they’d have been happy with 5th.
This squad is not title winning however game by game even if you take into account our absences we are generally better resources than our opponents.
Go through a few team sheets for our games this year & you’ll see multiple instances where the opposition have has just as many absences or just as important ones.
I refuse to believe theirs is not another manager, not named Pep or Jurgen, that couldn’t have guided this squad to 4th or 5th comfortably this year.
The job of management is like a constant interview. No manager has their ideal squad 18 months into their tenure, they have to make do at points & coach their squads up. EtH’s set up is giving us the worst of multiple players, Bruno is a 10 - either play him there or sell him & so on.
The fact that he's proving week after week that he's completely incompetent. Churning out one utterly unacceptable performance after another, and is still in a job, when any club with ambition would have got the situation under control a while ago.
I sure hope you are wrong.
By the way was he really schooled by Thomas Frank ?
You wouldn't know an actual point it slapped you round the face. Just like the manager you continue to defend, you’re clueless.
With Erik still in charge, you wouldn’t have to wait long.
I'm not currently defending Ten Hag, read posts better. He's set us out poorly, he's not tweaked and he's lost control in too many games.
That doesn't change the fact that he had big signings unavailable this season and one signed for the future rather than for immediate impact.
Now, come back when you actually have a point with legs.
‘He's set us out poorly, he's not tweaked and he's lost control in too many games’
You’ve just made my points for me. Well done for admitting he’s doing a terrible job.
Hes having a bad season. He also had a good season last year. For me the jury is out. I would not see much of an issue of relieving him for a manager with more pedigree if he were available (which there isn't).
Also, don't try and put words in my mouth.
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Define most?
Signed for fees - Martinez, Malacia, Casemiro, Mount, Antony, Hojlund, Onana, Bayindir
Free/Loan - Eriksen, Sabitzer, Weighorst, Amrabat
Anyone I'm forgetting?
Butland, Reguilon, Evans, Dubravka
Right so even if for some strange reason we include two 2nd/3rd choice keepers who played a grand total of 2 games between them. It's still 50/50 between players signed for fees and free/loans.
Again define most?
Most of our signings are loans or cheap punts.
Wasting your time lad.
What your up against defined disingenuous.
They support managers not football clubs.
No they haven't been, stop talking shit.
Can someone explain the idea behind our front four pressing high while the rest of the team stays back? It’s been happening all season and effectively nullifies our pressing while tiring the attackers and leaving enormous gaps in between the lines. It’s suicidal and I can’t see any possible benefit to it.
I've seen this said a few times. LVG got sacked after winning the FA Cup. Ten Hag's future will have been determined before that final would be played, imo.
It isn't a big enough trophy to keep someone in a job here. Great supplement in a solid campaign where we at least qualify for the CL, but relatively nothing without it.
We have been playing like this for almost 2 years under EtH. How long are we supposed to wait before he suddenly starts coaching and decides to put some people in midfield? Or when we are supposed to say ‘hmm, maybe this is EtH’s style after all, and he actually turned out to be crap’?
As someone who wanted EtH to get the job, I thought it was obvious last season that he is not that great manager and won’t win anything significant (EPL and UCL) for us while Caf was putting him in pedestal. Winning a 3rd tier trophy without playing anyone good except Newcastle was hardly something to sing songs about. But never in my worst dreams thought that he would make Rangnick and Ole look competent in comparison.
Anyway, as things are going, we will have the same exact debate in 12 months.
Criminal spending 350m+ on this...
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I can't remember the last time I've seen a team with this amount of shit players at a big club.
Genuinely the best option is still alot of players out and alot of players coming in.
We have to hope the new decision makers are better at selling shit players and better at buying good ones.
We can't start next season with Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw, Malacia, McTominay, Eriksen, Antony, Sancho or Rashford as starters.
They should be replaced with 6 or 7 new signings. This is genuinely the least we could do that would allow us to move forward.
Genuinely the best option is still alot of players out and alot of players coming in.
We have to hope the new decision makers are better at selling shit players and better at buying good ones.
We can't start next season with Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw, Malacia, McTominay, Eriksen, Antony, Sancho or Rashford as starters.
They should be replaced with 6 or 7 new signings. This is genuinely the least we could do that would allow us to move forward.
He'll win us another trophy and stay on. There aren't any good ones available either besides maybe Mancini
I hope you are just trolling (I can rarely tell in this thread as it's so ridiculous) and not being dumb. Either way, no.
Wasn't it closer to £450m?
Out of that group you wrote down, only Shaw and Rashford are starters when everyone is fit?
Surely there is something that could squash any hopes of this ever happening. This is the one thing that worries me about England winning Euros, would only increase INEOS belief he could manage this club.
England aren't winning the Euros, Southgate will be the reason behind that, he's far too pragmatic.
Sadly they only turn up when it's a bigger game but like you say means he always avoid the sack
Did you quietly ignore the part of my post where Brentford had a number of injuries themselves and completely dominated us without us barely troubling them? Why is it an acceptable excuse for us when it affects other teams as well?
How on earth are we beating City,well that's even if we actually can get past Coventry. Wouldn't trust Erik or the managers to raise themselves for that game
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I have never been a fan of ETH and did not want him to come to the club in the first place. But it seem strange to me that so many fans believed in him after last season, but now have lost faith in him because this season has been so poor.
It is clear that a number of things have happened which have ruined this season compared to last season, when we were better, and ETH can not be blamed for most of them:
1) Casemiro and Eriksen were a big reason (and main reason) for our better season last season. But this season, Casemiro seems to have lost some of his world class level, which was actually predictably very early in the season.
Regarding Eriksen, it is my belief that Andy Caroll put an end to his career at this level with the disgusting tackle last season.
The result is: We are missing the central midfield that was the key to success last season. Mainoo has come along, but is very young and cannot be expected to carry the responsibility alone.
2) Martinez was very important last season. He provided a stability in defense that we hadn't seen in many seasons. But injuries have ruined this season for him and we actually have constant injuries amongst our many central centre-backs.
3) Rashford was fantastic last season scoring 30 goals!! We lack those goals this year. Who in our team can score 30 goals when Rashford experiences such a dip in form?
It is clear that a number of things have happened which have ruined this season compared to last season, when we were better, and ETH can not be blamed for most of them:
1) Casemiro and Eriksen were a big reason (and main reason) for our better season last season. But this season, Casemiro seems to have lost some of his world class level, which was actually predictably very early in the season.
Regarding Eriksen, it is my belief that Andy Caroll put an end to his career at this level with the disgusting tackle last season.
The result is: We are missing the central midfield that was the key to success last season. Mainoo has come along, but is very young and cannot be expected to carry the responsibility alone.
2) Martinez was very important last season. He provided a stability in defense that we hadn't seen in many seasons. But injuries have ruined this season for him and we actually have constant injuries amongst our many central centre-backs.
3) Rashford was fantastic last season scoring 30 goals!! We lack those goals this year. Who in our team can score 30 goals when Rashford experiences such a dip in form?
OMG those stats are truly damning
11 points from fourth, 8 from 5th and his supporters think this acceptable! 
I lost faith last March as have said numerous times
I would stick with him until there is a decent replacement available. But he does deserve to go. We’ve served up shit on a stick this season.
That's exactly why I don't buy into this way of thinking a new manager wouldn't change things,also don't understand when people say there are a lack of alternatives. What is so bad about any of Nagelsmann,Inzaghi,Amorim (scousers want him after all) Tuchel,Enrique De Zerbi or Flick
There are certain things that just make no sense at all.
We've got three midfielders - Casemiro, Eriksen, and Amrabat - neither of whom he really wants to play because they are too slow for the erratic, transitional system he has us set up for.
But he decided to sell Fred, who has the best workrate of any midfielder we had. Also, Sabitzer was better off the ball than any of the other midfielders who make up a low intensity midfield. There's just no potential for winning back the ball and that's a huge part of the reason why we concede so many chances this season and why we're so easy to play against.
He's got to sign at least two players who are capable of winning duels either in midfield and defence. I've honestly not seen a United side get bullied as much as this one.
We've got three midfielders - Casemiro, Eriksen, and Amrabat - neither of whom he really wants to play because they are too slow for the erratic, transitional system he has us set up for.
But he decided to sell Fred, who has the best workrate of any midfielder we had. Also, Sabitzer was better off the ball than any of the other midfielders who make up a low intensity midfield. There's just no potential for winning back the ball and that's a huge part of the reason why we concede so many chances this season and why we're so easy to play against.
He's got to sign at least two players who are capable of winning duels either in midfield and defence. I've honestly not seen a United side get bullied as much as this one.
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