That half decent team is ahead of us in the table, you do realise that? They also beat City and Arsenal in consecutive games.
You have such an obvious bias against Ten Hag, it's ridiculous.
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You have such an obvious bias against Ten Hag, it's ridiculous.
I agree and especially the bolded part. Erik will never have United winning the league because he lacks the tactical pedigree to do so. There's no separation from the opposition regardless of player quality.
His tactical ineptitude is the most disappointing feat about his tenure at United. I've used this analogy before but if the only takeaway from training is that the team can press it's literally like saying a car is good for driving in a straight line, but has no other nuances in any other area concerning it's functionality.
The team is poor in possession, open throughout the midfield, only defensive when playing the entire game compact therefore offering no attacking threat. The manager has been unable to find equilibrium in multiple phases of the game.
I have held this opinion from around 8 games into the season. United will not succeed with him as a manager.
Has there been a game this season where we have played well for longer than 20 minutes?
Outplayed AGAIN today, AT HOME, against Fulham.
He seems to have absolutely no clue. Tbh the writing was in the wall when he said that ridiculous thing about him not trying to make us play like Ajax.
I'd like to see nagelsman.
Outplayed AGAIN today, AT HOME, against Fulham.
He seems to have absolutely no clue. Tbh the writing was in the wall when he said that ridiculous thing about him not trying to make us play like Ajax.
I'd like to see nagelsman.
The cycle of United: Get battered at the start of the season (We're crap, ETH out) > Pick up a few points by playing the worst teams in the league (people ask, are we turning a corner?) > Lose to the bigger teams (We're crap again) > Beat weaker teams again from moments of brilliance (We're turning a corner, give ETH time) > Get beaten as our form player carrying us has run out of form or is injured (we're crap) > Begins again.
The high point of his tenure was the 2-0 home win against Spurs early last season, where we played brilliantly controlled, high press football. What happened to that team? While injuries have played their part, the way we set up is an absolute joke and has been for a long time. We are ridiculously porous and have little threat going forwards, except on rapid transitions. ETH lost his way a long time ago. He abandoned his early vision and is having us play in a way that none of his previous teams have set up. He’s made a mockery of his own credentials for the job.
The bigger picture, as he puts it, is that he is the final catalyst for a change in structure - to move away from letting the manager have so much control in deciding targets, playing style, signings etc. So in a destructive way, he has aided the most important transition we could make. But it is clear that once the strategic review is complete and the necessary people are in place; he will be the next name to go. He must be the final name in a long line of failures at this club; and we move forwards with a fresh structure and a new head coach to lead us into a new era. A clean sweep break from the last decade of waste and incompetence is needed.
The bigger picture, as he puts it, is that he is the final catalyst for a change in structure - to move away from letting the manager have so much control in deciding targets, playing style, signings etc. So in a destructive way, he has aided the most important transition we could make. But it is clear that once the strategic review is complete and the necessary people are in place; he will be the next name to go. He must be the final name in a long line of failures at this club; and we move forwards with a fresh structure and a new head coach to lead us into a new era. A clean sweep break from the last decade of waste and incompetence is needed.
I said I would have sold him last summer. With how shit he’s been this year he now HAS to be sold this summer.
He's talking about his payout when he gets sacked
Villa? That was before the winter break, they were on a bad run and just got destroyed by Chelsea. It was an easy run ffs, we could and should have won all games this month. Other than West Ham, all of them were edgy affairs.
19th in the league in shots conceded.... Like how does that happen to Man United? 
that is a pathetic level of coaching. There is no excusing it. No forgiveness for injuries. We are absolutely a garbage side because of his coaching.
that is a pathetic level of coaching. There is no excusing it. No forgiveness for injuries. We are absolutely a garbage side because of his coaching.Villa being ahead of us in the table isn't exactly the best defense of ETH
Sorry, him and Bruno. My bad. Forgot about him too. They're the causes if you look at the posts. ETH, Bruno and Rashford.
It's less on the players available and more on how they're coached to play. The players we have had to pick from shouldn't be conceding more shots than Burnley and Luton. It's as simple as that. Ten Hag doesn't know how to coach any defence and we are a mess every game.
That's because he's set the team up so poorly that we're depending on individual moments from Rashford than putting players like Bruno and Rashford in a position to be most effective rather than dependent on them to pull it out of nothing like we did last season.
Not wanting to concede 25 shots a game and get ran through constantly = Bias against Ten Hag
Correct. Magically getting better players will never change that fact.
I agree that Ten Hag needs to go because of terrible tactics and poor recruitment, a sign that he doesn't know how he wants his team to play.
But, some individual players also need to go.
But, some individual players also need to go.
I was saying this last week. You cannot have a low goal difference, average less shots than you concede, have 51% possession and expect consistent wins.
I mentioned that Liverpool and City had impressive stats prior to their rise in 2018. It wasn't a coincidence.
The club can't simply hope to be successful, they have to see the signs before choosing to support the manager. Outcome bias is a mistake we've consistently made at United over the last ten years, because we didn't have people above the manager who knew how to assess performance. There are the numbers and there is also the eye test from actually understanding what you are watching. We didn't have people who truly understood what they were watching and how far it was from other teams with comparatively worse players. Inter on paper have a worse team than we do, they can go to a UCL final, beat Atletico and deserve it with players who we threw away. Yes it's Serie A, but under Ten Haag we can;t produce good performances against anyone
What's the point of this forum if we can't share our views on the performance during the game? Do you just look at the final score and decide that we must've played well if we won.
We have had some great results in recent weeks but we still play the same way every week, win or lose.
He's the Germany manager until the Euros. He's not leaving that to start a club job now. He'll have suitors after the Euros in the summer.
He's pulled that pass off half the time he tries it. It was a good idea, poor execution. He's been in bad form though so it'll not come off for him.
Ineos want elite in every position at the club, Ten Hag is not the man.
The selection and transfer talk is a cop out. He's a poor tactician who gets away with it because he's dutch.
He's had enough time to prove himself now and he just always come off looking clueless. People may laugh at this, but the reason we have such a bad record against the top 9 away from home is because he's the worst manager we've had in regard to setting up for specific games. He's a worse tactician than Ole. Ole could at least get us to set up well on the counter, Ten Haag is as bad defensively as I've seen at a top club.
The most disappointing thing about him is that the team doesn't look like it's being coached very well. Bruno is still doing Bruno things. Some players still look like they haven't a clue what to do with the ball. Dare I say, there's no patterns of play. Not much difference from the Ole days. Guy is still relying on McTominay to miraculously come up with goals, even at the detriment of him doing feck all on the ball in the build up.
Not the man for Manchester United.
Pretty much since the League Cup final he's be awful. We've picked up a few results lately but not a single one has been convincing, I'm struggling to remember a single decent performance in the league all season. Get rid, get rid of as many players as possible and start a fresh next year. He's performing at Moyes level with a lot more money to boot.
Pretty much since the League Cup final he's be awful. We've picked up a few results lately but not a single one has been convincing, I'm struggling to remember a single decent performance in the league all season. Get rid, get rid of as many players as possible and start a fresh next year. He's performing at Moyes level with a lot more money to boot.
Remove McSauce and Maguire from that list, they have their own deficiencies but we don't play transitional football because of them.
- Bruno is the main problem. A very big problem. He's the maguire of 2021. We play how we play because of him. We are open because of his 1 man press and non existing midfield. Our football since 2020 went to the dogs, and you can tell who we signed that time and who became our talisman.
- Casemiro is a dead-end player we will get nothing new from him. He's achieved everything he can achieve. If he leaves, he leaves and I believe the team can replace number 6 with another.
- Rashford as much as he's a transitional player, I believe he's like that because our team doesn't have any other way of playing. If we tried to change our style of play I believe Rashford could also have evolved. Probably now it's abit too late for him to learn new tricks but LVG gave us Rashford, he wasn't a transitional coach.
- Antony I have nothing to say, he absolutely doesn't impact our game to warrant any kind of inclusion in the team or even in our arguments as fans.
The easiest and quickest remedy is binning off Bruno. With that we get a stable team which can be upgraded in every window and a scalebale playing style.
If we try to change our we play with Bruno in it, it will be like playing with 10 players, the guy can't dribble, can't shield a ball, can't run with the ball with speed, can't hold the ball for more than 10 seconds to save his life.
Not gonna agree about what other clubs would do because as seen with Bayern sacking Nagelsman for Tuchel, no one is perfect.
But I agree that the issue is not the talent but the tactics. They've been horrible all season and he's barely changed them. Last season too they weren't great attacking wise but at least the team wasn't a sieve IIRC. This season we've been both bad in attack and defence and it's primarily because we're set up that way. We've won most of our games just because we've had better players than the opposition despite the opposition playing better.
As always, a manager should be able to impose his style and it should show regardless of the personnel. Spurs have got that this season. They maintain their playstyle despite losing their best players at various points this season and they're a good team.
Conman with that quote. Garbage we are to watch.
My point was that all the other teams in this run should be easy pickings, so us being on a "good run" where we barely scraped results was something that would obviously change if we stopped being lucky or faced better teams. Today we weren't unlucky, we just weren't lucky.
I called Villa half decent precisely because they are ahead of us in the table. They've had a great season, for being Villa. Last season they wouldn't have been talked about as close to decent. And their season is trending downwards now. When we faced them now they were a worse performing team than earlier in the season.
Bias against Ten Hag? You can search my posts where earlier this season I said I thought he would still be the manager here in 5 years if he wanted to, because I thought there had been positive signs last season and we just had an unlucky start to this season.
It was finally around Christmas (I think) where I finally turned on him as I feel he consistently gets almost every tactical disposition wrong. He seems to set us up wrong from start, and his changes during games usually has us playing worse. Yes, Scott has been a super sub to nick us goals, but usually only after we struggled from his other changes. The way we defend leads usually gives the opponents way too many chances to pull it back as well.
The football is usually boring to watch, and we look to play negative football at times where players are scared of relying on their own abilities. There were moments today where we delivered exciting play, but it was over as quickly as they started, we aren't able to be consistent over a period of time.
The only thing he has impressed me with lately is that he's stopped insisting on playing Antony every match when he clearly needed a break to lower the pressure on himself and try to turn things around like Maguire seems to have been able to.
Yeah it's just hugely damning on him how frequently he gets outcoached
I am so scared we replace him and keep some of these players.
Both him and most the players need to go. At this point I've seen enough of his philosophy to not want to see any more of it in this league, and I've seen enough of the players to not want a new manager to be stuck with them either
I think at this level pretty much all teams are capable of good performances here and there. Sometimes it just clicks. Epsecially when you have a few decent players.
As fans we just cling onto those performances a bit too much, more out of hope than aything.
Weird thing is that the midfield set up last year wasn't that bad at all for the most part with Casemiro, Erisken and Bruno and was probably one of only two midfields in the post Fergie era that i can remember enjoying watching (the other being the Herrera, Matic and Pogba combination that got Ole his job).
His signings?
I am pretty sure we don't need lot of new players to become solid top4 side, good manager will need lot less money than Ten Hag needed for this shite. It's absolutely impossible to look good even for some of our good players with this type of shite tactics and football we play.
We have lot of good young players, few solid senior players, and we need new 3-5 solid players for next year and we will be fine. But new manager with actual style of play and someone who can outplay opposite manager is a start.
We have lot of good young players, few solid senior players, and we need new 3-5 solid players for next year and we will be fine. But new manager with actual style of play and someone who can outplay opposite manager is a start.
This.
The fact that Bruno and Rashford are so many of our fans' favorite players, is pure insanity.
And the club loves them too, judging by their contracts, wages, and star status. Just insane.
I actually think this will still be a problem under the new regime. Most people don't understand the basic principles of why possession is so valuable, including people who've worked in football their entire career.
"The United Way/DNA" will still be the mantra going forward, and it will continue to be our undoing, just as it has been for 11 years. Our club and fanbase honestly believe you can establish a serial winning dynasty with fast-paced counterattacking play, and making players like Bruno its focal point and captain.
I'd laugh, it it weren't so incredibly sad and heartbreaking.
It would be one thing if he actually utilized Dalot for his width as true right fullback but he didn't
Agreed. So sick of everyone just blaming things on poor recruitment. Part of successful recruitment is pairing players with your style of play. When you don't have a recognizable style of play why are we surprised that our players brought in tend to regress? You could not name more than a small handful of players who have genuinely improved as footballers in the past decade at our club. Even if we had the worst scouting department in the world, surely we would have lucked into getting a few players correct if the problem was just pure player selection. I find it impossible to actualy assess our overall recruitment capabilities when we don't have a team structure or style of play beyond vague statements of "attacking football" and "the united way" whatever that means.
Even our successful signings and youth players tend to look worse the longer they are at the club. Rashford and Martial looked better overall footballers in their first few seasons, same with Fernandes, Casemiro, Maguire, AWB, and I could go on and on. Until we find a system that improves the players that we already have, our recruitment will not be fixed. Part of why we have no money to spend is because we can't sell players due to the aformentioned stagnation. Even if we were signing players that were not good enough in the long run, we would still be able to offload them and reinvest the money if they showed overall growth and improvement in their time at the club.
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