Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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I’m still with him. Only because there’s no way another manager comes in and does better for any significant time period. We know what needs to happen for lasting progress.
 
He should really have a word with Rashy about the way how he is playing. Going one on one often is one thing but being selfish like this is just too much.
 
If you look at this half that we just played, what more can he do? The team was set up well, judging by how we started and should've scored a goal, then Onana (who's played a big part in the decent start) lets in a goal like that. We're on our way to losing another game. No chance some of these players have the mental will and character to come back from this.

If Pellestri had scored that chance, it'd have been a different game.
for starters stop trotting out a midfield pairing that cant keep up with runners and continually allows cutback goals?
 
Genuinely don't know what has happened to this side.

In most games this season they've started brightly and created chances. That's surely a big positive. But one defensive lapse is all it takes and we concede a cascade of goals.
Not buying quality competition for Casemiro this summer might cost ETH his job.
 
Why would you say that? This is my biggest worry. We don't seem coached at all.

I disagree, the problem this season doesn't seem to be coaching at all or we wouldn't have started most games organized and playing well.
 
I was witch hunted after saying that ETH had no offensive tactics and that we were doing well all because casemiro had been world class in the last season.
 
Why would you say that? This is my biggest worry. We don't seem coached at all.
Maybe he needs new coaches… but VDG was with him at Ajax and they played some exciting football. He is trying to get his message across but maybe the players are struggling to understand him
 
Everything going against him at the moment.

No professional goalkeeper should be letting that in.
 
What exactly can EtH do if Onana decides to forget how to catch a ball?
Dunno but he can do something about the attack looking lost every single game, he can do something about Rashford sometimes being greedy. He can do something about the FB always being out of possession and caught out in games.
 
If you look at this half that we just played, what more can he do? The team was set up well, judging by how we started and should've scored a goal, then Onana (who's played a big part in the decent start) lets in a goal like that. We're on our way to losing another game. No chance some of these players have the mental will and character to come back from this.

If Pellestri had scored that chance, it'd have been a different game.

We are If Only FC.

Im sure Ten Hag will be saying the same. We played better in the first to 20 mins, we must be more confident, we dont have our best XI. Blah blah blah.
 
Ye we know that ain’t the solution. Something clearly isn’t working and it’s only a matter of time before the players start questioning the managers methods. We can’t keep losing and having no solutions from the bench. Maybe a change in formation/tactics or something.
If the players are looking at Eriksen and Casemiro not defending the space where Gnabry is standing unopposed for multiple seconds and conclude that it's a problem with the manager's methods then they can't be allowed to survive the manager.

I don't know if the problem is lack of fitness or lack of effort, but we've conceded almost literally the same goal four times in four days. We clearly have an issue with cutbacks that can't be down to the manager not seeing where the goals are coming from.
 
Everything going against him at the moment.

No professional goalkeeper should be letting that in.
It’s funnier because Onana was in the press conference with ETH the day before saying how confident and stuff he was… looks like it.
 
What exactly can EtH do if Onana decides to forget how to catch a ball?

In fairness he flogged off one of the greatest shot stoppers in our history, for a keeper that's mainly praised for his distribution. When we aren't controlling games which has been 100% of games so far this season it will completely backfire.
 
The start to the new season under him has been horrendous. Theres no sugar coating it. Never saw this coming. All the issues we have had off the pitch, and then all the results on the pitch that have followed has been utterly shambolic.
 
Majority of his signings will be need to be binned when he's sacked.
Needs to be repeated but it is almost like a specialist (coach) is terrible at another job (scout).

To be fair, the club is to be blamed for giving him the power of transfers, but he is also an idiot for asking for Ralf to get fired. If Ralf was in charge of transfers, ten Hag might have made 2 full seasons here.
 
If the players are looking at Eriksen and Casemiro not defending the space where Gnabry is standing unopposed for multiple seconds and conclude that it's a problem with the manager's methods then they can't be allowed to survive the manager.

I don't know if the problem is lack of fitness or lack of effort, but we've conceded almost literally the same goal four times in four days. We clearly have an issue with cutbacks that can't be down to the manager not seeing where the goals are coming from.
The cut backs are obviously down to the Full backs always being to far up the pitch and getting caught out of possession or it could be if the full backs have tucked in which they sometimes do then the wide players aren’t tracking the opposition winger.
 
Sadly, seems eerily similar to Ole’s last season. 400m down the drain and some supporters will be happy for a while with a new shiny toy who they can blame after 6 months.
Hope we give EtH time and let him ride this tough period.
 
We don’t have the ability to essentially play with 2 forward thinking midfielders in Eriksen and Bruno whilst Casemiro is nowhere near his best either

We can’t keep hold of the ball so end up chasing the game with a wide open midfield it’s ridiculous
 
I disagree, the problem this season doesn't seem to be coaching at all or we wouldn't have started most games organized and playing well.
You think he's a good coach because we started games well a few times? What about when we started the games badly? At least a couple of occasions also this season.

Maybe he needs new coaches… but VDG was with him at Ajax and they played some exciting football. He is trying to get his message across but maybe the players are struggling to understand him
I am simply asking on what basis people think that he is a good coach. I have not seen this at United. I don't know how good Ajax played but aren't they expected to dominate most of the time anyway?
 
What exactly can EtH do if Onana decides to forget how to catch a ball?
Coach the fecking team. To score goals. Many fecking teams win games 3-2, 3-1, 4-1.

From where can we score, from where do we make a chance from?
Do you see us scoring like 2-3 goals? Where are the chances?

We are not properly coached. End of it. Mistakes do happen. But you create your goals. Where is a goal creation play?
 
The players can't change shit if they've not been coached how to. You think de acerbi can't extract more out of this current setup?

He's getting found out at the top level and we are along for the ride.
 
If he doesn't turn this around he'll have set us back years. He's been backed with his own players and from what I can see, most of them are fecking shit.
A smart club would learn from this and won't put the next manager in charge of transfers. Of course we will put the next manager in charge of transfers.

A smart fanbase would request from the manager to be good with the players he has, but ours will instantly create a cult for the new manager and ask for the club to back the manager and bring his own players.

Both the club and the fanbase deserve the misery. Until the cult of the manager is gone for good, we will be the laughing stock of the world.
 
The cut backs are obviously down to the Full backs always being to far up the pitch and getting caught out of possession or it could be if the full backs have tucked in which they sometimes do then the wide players aren’t tracking the opposition winger.
I'm looking at Casemiro not going in centrally as Musiala is squaring up to Dalot, and I'm looking at Eriksen not busting a gut to get back to Gnabry. Passes coming in from wide areas are always going to happen, but leaving a player unmarked in the middle of the box four times in one and a half game is pathetic.
 
That’s cause it’s Bayern away and not only did we miss a can’t miss chance we then threw one in for them. That’s just how it’s going for us over the last month, we can only play through it
That’s not on the manager. If we were playing heads down and giving up then yes, he’s not turning it around but this is a genuinely good performance.
I could be rinsed here in 45 minutes but this isn’t a 4/5-0 game. This should be a draw at worse for us so let’s see how we perform this half


Suddenly I'm believing
 
I'd like us to have a five-year moratorium on signing any players who have ever played in the Dutch league. I don't care if a Messi / Pelé hybrid regen spawns at Ajax, it has to be done.

Not entirely serious but my god, letting the manager dictate transfers is frustrating as hell...
 
Definitely not Eriksen. As useless as it gets. I would play McTominay ahead of him or even Hannibal and thats saying something.

no point playing Mctominay. We told him to get fecked in the summer but then didnt let him leave. Mentally checked out. Better play hanninal
 
God, listening to what's going in Munich is so depressing - I've distracted myself by tying to thinking of what3words I'd use to describe ETH's signings so far:

- Malacia: jury still out
- Eriksen: legs have gone
- Martinez: what has happened?
- Casemiro: Saudi bid please
- Anthony: how much again?
- Mount: why buy him?
- Onana: a big worry
- Hojlund: I'm more hopeful
 
Plenty of encouraging signs today to be honest. We'll be fine. Just don't go back to the diamond horror show.
 
A smart club would learn from this and won't put the next manager in charge of transfers. Of course we will put the next manager in charge of transfers.

A smart fanbase would request from the manager to be good with the players he has, but ours will instantly create a cult for the new manager and ask for the club to back the manager and bring his own players.

Both the club and the fanbase deserve the misery. Until the cult of the manager is gone for good, we will be the laughing stock of the world.
I still have faith in ETH but this is so true. Both the club and the fans still want this very thing that has actually been holding us down this whole post SAF time. A manager should absolutely be good with the players he has first and foremost. And no manager should really be in change of spending half a billion worth of player transfers. Then we wouldn't have these "we can't sack him now as we've invested so much and new manager would be bringing in his own players" problems. It's ridiculous and no big club operates like this.
 
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