He hasnt, he doesnt even play CDM every match. Nor has he been instrumental or anything.
Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."
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As Fabinho's name keeps popping up in comparison with Dier, I thought it would be right to put a video of him this season (a month old) tagged with the Dier video so it's easier to compare:
If signing Fabhino was off the table, would a lot of people's opinion of Dier be higher?
In the event of this happening, I suspect Spurs have already indicated they are prepared to do business at this figure. It seems a good deal for them for a player they might see as replaceable.
In the event of this happening, I suspect Spurs have already indicated they are prepared to do business at this figure. It seems a good deal for them for a player they might see as replaceable.
and spend the rest of his days looking over his back? feck no. Herrera is one spiteful MFer.
Posted a few times last summer that Dier would be a dream signing in my opinion. That said, that was really before Fabinho replicated last season's form again. I'd probably prefer Fabinho, but Dier is gold, and if we can get that same defensive midfield protection and go English, then I have no issue with it.
He's far from average though I think. Will get better and better too, future England captain if he came here I think.
He's far from average though I think. Will get better and better too, future England captain if he came here I think.
Nor is Fabinho.
Last season he played 37 times in the league, as a CDM, spurs finished 2nd
This season he has played 21 times, as a CB and 9 times as a CDM. There sitting 2nd.
Whether or not you think he is their most important player or not, he's a major part of this very good spurs team, either as a midfielder or a CB, if your bang average,
I love Herrera if he wasnt so Basque Id swear he was IrishSlightly confused why there's even a discussion here. He's not even a key part of a Spurs team who are in second and come up short whenever they play anyone good. We want to be competing with and beating the team in first, so how signing a player who's adequate for the team in second helps achieve that is going to be a suspicious argument at best.
We already have midfielders and defenders who aren't good enough...we had so many we had to get rid of some of them. We don't need to start signing more again. Especially not ones who IF we could get them and IF they wanted to sign for us, would involve a massive protacted saga which woould end with us paying about £20m too much.
If he was Spurs best midfielder or defender, maybe, but he isn't (and if he was chances of signing him woould be roughly 0%). He doesn't get in either their first choice midfield or defence. If Spurs were first instead of second he probably wouldn't get in their team at all.
We already have midfielders and defenders who aren't good enough...we had so many we had to get rid of some of them. We don't need to start signing more again. Especially not ones who IF we could get them and IF they wanted to sign for us, would involve a massive protacted saga which woould end with us paying about £20m too much.
If he was Spurs best midfielder or defender, maybe, but he isn't (and if he was chances of signing him woould be roughly 0%). He doesn't get in either their first choice midfield or defence. If Spurs were first instead of second he probably wouldn't get in their team at all.
They finished third actually.
O'Shea was an important part of our team winning trophies, Park was, fecking Anderson was and I honestly couldn't see Arsenals, Citys or Chelseas wanting to buy them.
Hey you can make your point without slandering O'Shea and Park. They have nothing to do with this.
I'm not slandering them, quite contrary, I absolutely loved both of them and find them incredibly important for our team but at the same time I do acknowledge that neither of them would be bought by the top sides.
FWIW I was very angry with Frogie when he sold Park.
I imagine many on the caf we're saying the same about another Spurs midfielder in May/June 2006
How is he any different from what we had with Schneiderlin?
They play better as a team, but in terms of individual quality, they don't have much more than we do.
They play better as a team, but in terms of individual quality, they don't have much more than we do.
Along with us i would say they have the best starting XI in the league so there is nothing wrong with that comparison.
I think he's bang average but probably because I don't like Spurs and he was yet another player to get the nod over Carrick for England. But if rumours are true I'm happy to be proven wrong, we need a player like him and he plays like a Mourinho player.
Don't know what's wrong with you lot - I'd absolutely love to have this guy at United.
Keeps the game simple, tidies up well, good passing between the lines and can spread play when given space - remind you of any other player we've bought from Spurs?
Keeps the game simple, tidies up well, good passing between the lines and can spread play when given space - remind you of any other player we've bought from Spurs?
So they did, my mistake.
Difference between them is none of them were starters, they were squad players, very good ones, but not first names on the team sheet really, just filled in for injuries or rotated in.
Sorry, but that isn't true. We usually play 3 at the back these days - and Dier is always part of the starting XI. And if we play with a back 4, then there's no solid evidence that Wanyama would be preferred over him in the DM position.
Spurs have embraced that pro-British philosophy, and it's taken them to the pinnacle of English football on a relative pauper's budget.
United ignored Dele Alli despite him destroying the midfield; SAF would have taken him home from
Milton Keynes that night.
Leicester won the league with 5 British starters last year; every team that succeeds accommodates a core of domestic players on the pitch.
Identity is the most important element of success.
I think it'll be done early; Dier reminds me of Matic and I think that's why Jose is hard for him.
Who's better? Di Maria and Falcao were 'the best out there' and they fell on their arse. Veron was 'the best out there' too.
We know Dier can be dominant in a Premier League midlfied; Fernando was rated similarly to Fabinho currently is while at Porto, and has been a shambles for City.
Di Maria was and still is a very good player. The issue was never talent. Falcao was recovering from a serious injury and went to the two wrong teams to try and remedy himself back into form (a side that couldn't score goals/lacked an established settled XI and another who downed tools for their manager.
We knew Morgan Schneiderlin could be dominant in a premier league midfield too.
Fabinho is far better than Fernando, he is proving it at a better league and a higher level - his side currently sits in the semi final of the CL. In any case, there is also more out there in midfield than simply 'destroyers' - many froth for a Carrick replacement, somebody like Jorginho plays the role to a tee. Even then there are other all-round options out there like Saul Niguez, Tolisso, Sanson, Nabi Keita... There are certainly options and I imagine our scouts have names.
I don't think so, Real Madrid are on course for 3 CL wins in 4 years, at most they start with 2 Spanish players, Chelsea are about to win their 2nd PL title in 3 years and field 2 at most English players. Ander Herrera, Mata and Tony Valencia are as dedicated to Manchester United as any player with a British birthplace stamped on their passport.
Spurs have so far done nothing bar choke in the CL, get knocked out 7 semis in a row in the cup and make up the top 3, when they win a PL then they'll be worth mentioning. I have no issue with English or British players if they are actually good enough, most of them aren't.
Aurier is an unmanagable scum bag. You won't see the club go for someone like him given his attitude, let alone Mourinho.
Wouldnt say no to Dier or Fabinho. Both are very good and can play multiple positions.
Calm down fella.
Genuinely would have on interest in signing him, don't like him at all
Taken Spurs to the pinnacle of football?! When? Have they won the league then?
Underwhelming. Nothing more.
It's taken them to the pinnacle of square root of feck all. Which is feck all incase you're confused.
Hope we stay far away from him, He's just a less shit Lee Cattermole.
Agree with this, he's a good player and with our injury record for centre-backs he'd be useful as cover there too.
Would be over priced for what we are getting.
It's taken them to the pinnacle of zero of the three trophies available in English football.
The only thing I can tell after seeing this news is that we would benefit a lot from having DoF.
If we cannot get Fabhino would be more than happy with this signing as the DM. Solid player who would free up those further forward, and also provide CB cover for our annual injury crisis there.
What does that have to do with this? How would having a DOF benefit us in the face of us potentially signing Dier?
Benefit in terms of stopping managers from signing average players for inflated fees and having a clear transfer strategy that would be tied to the club's long-term style with players meeting multiple criteria rather than leaving it up to every manager we have (seeing as their styles and preferences vary so greatly)? How many more squad overhauls are we away from coming to particular realization.
This story needs to die a quick, yet painful death. He's so limited, there is just no way we can't pick up a DM of similar ability for much less from any number of leagues. He doesn't even qualify as homegrown. PL proven is basically his one plus and that is such an overrated "quality" anyway.