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We know we would have beaten Leicester if Bailly had played instead of Maguire.
Shaw is playing him off too, it's a massive Maguire feck up this one. Could DDG do better, no doubt, could Bailly have done different, sure. Could Maguire stop the goal by simply paying attention and doing his one simple job? feck yeah.
There's no reason for Maguire to be 2 yards behind Bailly there, not when he's looking all the way across the line, it's terrible, he's sleeping.
I'm not sure how this image does anything other than further highlight how fecking awful Bailly is here. He's watching the ball, he isn't in line with any other defender, and doesn't know where his other defenders are.Shaw is playing him off too, it's a massive Maguire feck up this one. Could DDG do better, no doubt, could Bailly have done different, sure. Could Maguire stop the goal by simply paying attention and doing his one simple job? feck yeah.
There's no reason for Maguire to be 2 yards behind Bailly there, not when he's looking all the way across the line, it's terrible, he's sleeping.
Except where I said Maguire was shit in my original post, and mention how poor he was multiple times I mention it in this thread. So yeah, if we ignore all the times I mention Maguire, I haven't mentioned Maguire at all!You don't mention Maguire at all, and how am I trying to vindicate Bailly? I said he should have been aware of the guys run, so yes, that was a mistake, but Maguire also should have been closer to him, and covering. Defensively we seem to be all over the place, and a back four should work as one, we dont, we look like four individuals. Varane in there makes us so much better.
Shaw is playing him off too, it's a massive Maguire feck up this one. Could DDG do better, no doubt, could Bailly have done different, sure. Could Maguire stop the goal by simply paying attention and doing his one simple job? feck yeah.
There's no reason for Maguire to be 2 yards behind Bailly there, not when he's looking all the way across the line, it's terrible, he's sleeping.
I'm not sure how this image does anything other than further highlight how fecking awful Bailly is here. He's watching the ball, he isn't in line with any other defender, and doesn't know where his other defenders are.
Shaw is still behind Bailly. He hasn't reacted to Baillys movement, and hasn't stepped up. He can't even see the CF, so absolutely zero chance he's attempting to play offside.If he had curved his run move then Shaw would've still been playing him onside anyway. It's typical Bailly: he takes a needless risk, sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. If that was Liverpool and Bailly was VVD, we wouldn't be blaming it on Matip, we'd be ripping him to bits for having his head in the clouds.
Immense. MOTM.
Almost all his passes were forward. Huge blocks amd pushes forward.
2nd goal Harry should be much closer to Bailey. We don't know if the tactics were to push high and play offside. But either was Harry needs to sense that danger.
Slab head was playing like Varane was still on the pitch.
And if Varane was there instead of Bailly, we wouldn't be having this conversation. No chance he takes such a pointless risk and just hopes the other defenders have read his mind. As I said previously, Shaw also doesn't try to play offside and is behind Bailly. A quicker pass or more of a curve in his run and Shaw would've been playing him on too.Come on now Ivaldo, if Varane was there instead of Maguire, we wouldn't be having this conversation. He did a lot of recovery like each CB should do for one another. VvD has been in that situation quite a few times this season if you have watched some Liverpool games as they press high too.
Even if Bailly did track back with Zapata, he would have likely been beaten because the guy is lightning quick as it is, had the advantage of running the right wau and it would have been up to Maguire anyway to help out because we pushed high and left ourselves exposed. Watch the angle the ball comes in and tell me how Bailly defends it well?
But he's still not playing the attacker onside is he?I'm not sure how this image does anything other than further highlight how fecking awful Bailly is here. He's watching the ball, he isn't in line with any other defender, and doesn't know where his other defenders are.
Shaw is still behind Bailly. He hasn't reacted to Baillys movement, and hasn't stepped up. He can't even see the CF, so absolutely zero chance he's attempting to play offside.If he had curved his run move then Shaw would've still been playing him onside anyway. It's typical Bailly: he takes a needless risk, sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. If that was Liverpool and Bailly was VVD, we wouldn't be blaming it on Matip, we'd be ripping him to bits for having his head in the clouds.
The image clearly highlights that the CB looking across the fecking line simply needs to take one simple step to be in line with his partner and it's offside, no goal, no debate.
Shaw doesn't need to see the forward to play him off ffs man, that's not how a defensive line works. He looks at his own defenders and he's split, because the guy sleeping in the middle is inconceivably 2 yards behind his partner for no reason whatsoever, Shaw just splits the difference and is still playing the guy off, so asleep is Maguire in his position.
Thank you RAB, finally saying what I tried to: is it the defender closest to play that is responsible for the other 3 to keep the line together, or the passive ones who should be keeping an eye on an advancing player??? Shaw did (just) get ahead, but Maguire was sleeping, so literally did not act in both playing the high line nor look to cover Bailly's advance. Blaming him for the goal is just ridiculous as the angle of the forward ball would have been a struggle for Bailly to recover anyway.
The image clearly highlights the CB marking him ball watching. Again, he has absolutely no idea where the rest of his defenders are. Zero.The image clearly highlights that the CB looking across the fecking line simply needs to take one simple step to be in line with his partner and it's offside, no goal, no debate.
Shaw doesn't need to see the forward to play him off ffs man, that's not how a defensive line works. He looks at his own defenders and he's split, because the guy sleeping in the middle is inconceivably 2 yards behind his partner for no reason whatsoever, Shaw just splits the difference and is still playing the guy off, so asleep is Maguire in his position.
And if Varane was there instead of Bailly, we wouldn't be having this conversation. No chance he takes such a pointless risk and just hopes the other defenders have read his mind. As I said previously, Shaw also doesn't try to play offside and is behind Bailly. A quicker pass or more of a curve in his run and Shaw would've been playing him on too.
Come on. Bailly showed him and again he could match his pace, and even had a good 3 yard start on him. He chose to step out instead of doing the basics. The angle of the ball? It was a straight pass, which makes it significantly easy to defend.
No. Not by choice, not by design. The line was perfectly uniform until Bailly decides to step out on his own. Again, without having any other information whatever. Shaw and Maguire are significantly closer in line than Bailly is. Bailly is the odd one out here. Watch the post match analysis. Watch how the three ex pros point out how terrible it is from both Bailly and Maguire. It's laughable to defend it.But he's still not playing the attacker onside is he?
Maguire is 100% more to blame, he plays him onside, is lacklustre at stepping up with the defensive line, and is lacklustre with his reactions to run back (too busy crying about offside before actually deciding to run after the ball). As Rio pointed out at full time, their attacker had to run 31 yards and Maguire only 18-20.
Sure, Bailly could've done better there. But people like yourself can't be wrong.
The image clearly highlights the CB marking him ball watching. Again, he has absolutely no idea where the rest of his defenders are. Zero.
It's a simple offside play. That's how it works, defender pushes on, allows runner to run in beyond him and expects his defensive line to be with him, if they are, he's off, if they aren't, well feck...
If that's not how it works then we never ever ever see an offside trap, we just see defenders always running back and following after every runner. I mean, every time a defender allows a forward to run behind him and his defensive line aren't level, he's kinda at fault, absolutely. But if the other feckers and especially those looking riiiiiight across the line do their job, it's a simple as feck offside call.
Saying this makes me think you didnt watch the goal twice..
He was nearer to the sideline than the middle of the pitch: it was angled all you like, in fact dragging it more to where the LCB should cover his partner making it easier to clear. Maybe watch it again and say it's a "straight pass" or not?
He's a very odd defender, makes mistakes on both goals but also seemed to prevent about 5-6.Didn’t track his man for their second and gambled incorrectly on their first, other than that a good game. Which I think says it all really
There we go. A player commits, its a simple duty for the others to follow. Pretty feckin simple to step 3 yards ahead to keep up, but like we do in attack we ball watch a lot of the time.
Its an overall problem throughout our game that we dont work cohesively.
They even call it a straight ball in the studio. But then I can't expect you to pay attention to detail. You've proven that already with the Maguire comments. You don't help youself.
Again, yes you do. You don't play offside unless you're last man, you can see across the line, or you get a call from someone who can. You don't just make a late decision and hope it all works out. It's a needless gamble that never has to be made. You notice no one else is making this decision?Again, he doesn't need to, he sees AWB is ahead of him and he's far out quite close to the right touchline, it's not up to him to check that the guys looking right across the line are level with him, that's their job.
Thats why not one by two players are behind him.
If Harry needs to sense the danger then surely Bailly does given he's stood next to the bloke who scored.