I think they're both at fault. The ball is on Bailly's side and Zapata is moving around so he can't afford to look to see where Maguire is ... Maguire can see absolutely everything and should have stepped. But then Bailly should have dropped as well.
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10/10 and my MOTM. That was the best defensive performance by any of our defenders this season.
But the recognition of saving Maguire hasn't been mentioned in his posts? He saved his arse on a few occasions tonight
Good game. Saved maguire again and again. Unfortunate on first goal and stepped correctly on second. Looked a little bit wild and risk taking, but tonight it worked out. If MOTM then ONLY in lack of anyone else.
in a 5-3-2 i would play varane, lindelof and bailly
in a 5-3-2 i would play varane, lindelof and bailly
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He wasn’t, rewatch the goal.
Equally, Baillys number 1 fecking job is to mark the only player they have capable of scoring from that position, the only fecking striker they have on the pitch. What he shouldn't be doing is allowing that single striker to run off his while having absolutely no idea where the rest of the defense is. Hoping another player will bail you out isn't good defending in my book. It's defending 101.
If he could stay fit, would easily be one of out better CBs we've bought over the years.
The feck? Slabhead was the only idiot playing him onside.
No, but his mistake for the goal should have been avoided if Maguire was even slightly competent right now.
It shouldn't detract from a fabulous performance where he bailed us out numerous times, especially considering a) it was his second start of the season and his first game in ages and b) he was playing next to The Statue of Liability
Played fairly well. But played a big part in both their goals so I mean he wasn’t that good so difficult to judge him today
Opinions innit, I have no issues with a defender pushing on, I don't want Lindelöf's everywhere and Maguire has no excuse, it's just utterly shite defending from him, he's actually fast asleep.
And yes, often players bail each other out, just as Bailly did multiple times for his teammates. The saves Bailly made were fecking incredible though, one in particular was insane, the "save" he needed from Maguire was just a simple piece of competent defending from his skipper. If Maguire just looks and does his job, you don't give it a 2nd thought.
If this guy's our 4th choice CB, then we should have the best selection in the land. But somehow he can't get a game at a time when Maguire seems to be our worst player at the moment.
Excellent, kept us in the game. His pace makes a massive difference, allows him to cover for other defenders. Puzzling he has barely played this season, he looks up for it.
They also questioned Maguire's positioning as well, so don't just use the scenario that suits your point of view.
Yes Bailly should have been aware of the run, but a defender like Varane would have covered Bailly, and almost certainly would have snuffed out the danger, Maguire just isn't with it at the moment.
Once again we look all over the place defensively, a 'defence coach' is badly required.
Atleast the drabfest was a little more tolerable with him in the team. The usual mix of making some silly mistakes with some ridiculous blocks.
Man of the match. Fantastic performance, if only he could stay fit and be consistent in his performances.
Did well tonight.
First start in however long and puts in a brilliant performance. Without him we lose that 5-2.
Bailly>Varane>Lindelof>>>Maguire
Are you genuinely going to put Jake Humphrey's opinion up there next to Scholes and Rio here?
Maguire isn't the only player still behind Bailly by the way, Shaw is too. Bailly takes a needless risk and we get punished for it.
Maguire is always behind because he is slow.
What do you mean? I also thought Maguire was shit. That doesn't magically vindicate Bailly in this situation, no matter how hard you try. Equally, a defender like Varane would also never make such a basic mistake and allow his man to run off him while having no awareness where the other defenders are.
Fair enough, scraped a praise out where you could so kudos.
He's 4th choice CB as it stands, put into a game where the opposition was quick, aggressive and slick in attack. He was the standout CB so really odd to highlight him as a negative when he did a lot of good tonight. Then again this forum has got so much negativity flowing through ( and understandably so) that even the normally rational posters I see can bite at players who do well overall on the day.
Yeah because Bailly decided to bail from marking the one player he should be marking. Look at the goal - Bailly's on the far left side of the pitch, first he gets dragged out that wide, and then just lets the player run in behind him with 0 attempt to track him. It's feck all to do with Maguire - he's like 40 metres away from Zapata when the pass is made.
If every defender decided to stop marking attackers and just hope that they'd be offside without even looking across the line, we'd leak a million goals per game.
Nor do I, it just needs to be done sensibly as opposed to at a random moment while having absolutely no idea where the rest of the team is. Shaw also didn't possess the telepathic ability to read Baillys play here, because he was also behind him.
It would be fine if he hadn't had this same conversation 100 times before. Sometimes when Bailly has a game like today, and others where he's an absolute train wreck. The margin between those two outcomes is worryingly tight.
Class performance tonight, blocked everything and gave Zapata a run for his money. Makes me even more confused as to why he hasn’t started more games.. yet another weird selection decision from Ole.
He's a better defender than Lindleof. Just keep him in the starting XI till he gets injured - it won't take long.
How am I biting at him? I said he was decent, I said he recovered well, I said he saved the arses of others players tonight, and your reaction to that is to say I'm 'biting' am him and scraping praise together. I'm just not buying into the brilliance of Bailly while simultaneously trying to push all blame away from him onto another defender who was already having a horror game.
A lot of last ditch 'heroics' but the way he got caught ball watching for their 2nd goal is why we'll never look anything other than a hot mess with him in defence
No its not saying Jakes opinion trumps those two; he asks a question that others would in fact raise, and one I do too. So you take their opinions as gospel and Jake should keep his mouth shut? He didnt state the fact, he asked a question ffs.
The 2nd goal scenario in any organised defence is an easy offside trap, do you not agree? Or we rely on Bailly to run back on his own whilst the other defenders throw their arms up in the air claiming offside 40 yards from the goal? Sounds chaotic and unorganised if so
Shaw is playing him off too, it's a massive Maguire feck up this one. Could DDG do better, no doubt, could Bailly have done different, sure. Could Maguire stop the goal by simply paying attention and doing his one simple job? feck yeah.
There's no reason for Maguire to be 2 yards behind Bailly there, not when he's looking all the way across the line, it's terrible, he's sleeping.
Why would you bring it up at all? He's being devil's advocate, as he always does here. We have 3 ex professional players, including a former world class CB, and you want to consider what Jake has to say?
No I don't agree. As Rio said in answer to the question from from the wise man Jake Humphrey, 'trying to play offside here is just a guessing game.' Why on earth would you say playing offside here is the solution when he can simply track his man and make an easy interception? Not only does he have no idea where the rest of the defense is, he also finds himself too far removed from his CB partner, and allows the striker to make a run inside him. It's really poor defending, no matter how hard you try to divert blame.
You don't mention Maguire at all, and how am I trying to vindicate Bailly? I said he should have been aware of the guys run, so yes, that was a mistake, but Maguire also should have been closer to him, and covering. Defensively we seem to be all over the place, and a back four should work as one, we dont, we look like four individuals. Varane in there makes us so much better.
Come on now Ivaldo, if Varane was there instead of Maguire, we wouldn't be having this conversation. He did a lot of recovery like each CB should do for one another. VvD has been in that situation quite a few times this season if you have watched some Liverpool games as they press high too.
Even if Bailly did track back with Zapata, he would have likely been beaten because the guy is lightning quick as it is, had the advantage of running the right wau and it would have been up to Maguire anyway to help out because we pushed high and left ourselves exposed. Watch the angle the ball comes in and tell me how Bailly defends it well?
Poor on the second goal but otherwise defended all alone tonight and made some vital blocks.
Immense. MOTM.
Almost all his passes were forward. Huge blocks amd pushes forward.
2nd goal Harry should be much closer to Bailey. We don't know if the tactics were to push high and play offside. But either was Harry needs to sense that danger.
Slab head was playing like Varane was still on the pitch.
Almost all his passes were forward. Huge blocks amd pushes forward.
2nd goal Harry should be much closer to Bailey. We don't know if the tactics were to push high and play offside. But either was Harry needs to sense that danger.
Slab head was playing like Varane was still on the pitch.
Take the L. Bailly and Shaw were both maintaining the line, Maguire was the one that didn’t push up. He was lazy and got caught, he wouldn’t be appealing for offside otherwise.
He has to be one of the most frustrating players we ever had
The boy has the physicality the speed and the composure to be a top cb
And he did show it tonight having a truly elite performance ( prior comments are blaming him for the 2nd goal which i disagree with as I think maguire should have covered that )
He did save our arse tonight together with Ronnie as Harry was having a disaster class but even then you did see flashes of what makes him so frustrating with those bizarre moments of pure chaos
I also think Harry needs some rest for now as he has been abysmal and its on ole rushing him back so early even though Eric was available and as he showed tonight on fine form
Hope he keeps it up but with baily I'm afraid that's asking for too much
The boy has the physicality the speed and the composure to be a top cb
And he did show it tonight having a truly elite performance ( prior comments are blaming him for the 2nd goal which i disagree with as I think maguire should have covered that )
He did save our arse tonight together with Ronnie as Harry was having a disaster class but even then you did see flashes of what makes him so frustrating with those bizarre moments of pure chaos
I also think Harry needs some rest for now as he has been abysmal and its on ole rushing him back so early even though Eric was available and as he showed tonight on fine form
Hope he keeps it up but with baily I'm afraid that's asking for too much
Love him for the nutter he is. He always seems to have a cracker in his first game back in the team. It is usually followed up with some pretty erratic stuff. Let's hope that trend doesn't continue. Though I wouldn't bet my house on it
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