Enzo 'Terry' Fernandez | Vice-Captain of Chelsea
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What are you talking about? If he fails massively in his first season and Chelsea decide to sell him immediately, that does not mean he was a 30 mil failure. That would still mean he was a 120 mil failure. Unless someone stupid comes along and pays Chelsea the remaining amount, they will incur a loss in that scenario. So he HAS to perform from the first season itself.
You have a very strange way of looking at transfers. So Pogba was only a poor signing after 3-4 years with when his fee paid to Juve reached around 60-70 mil?
More similarities with Woody:
https://thebusbybabe.sbnation.com/m...21051/ed-woodward-manchester-united-transfers
This is like that South Park "The Hobbit" episode with Kanye West where he vigourously tries to defend his wife isn't a Hobbit, then more similarities arise to a point where it's futile not to accept it. Then:
Also a coincidence he turned out around the time Woody disappeared.
He’s a good player, but 120+ million? Maybe, but he’ll need to be running most games at that money, and the expectation will be that he pulls Chelsea around right now.
There’s a few unhappy players now, Potter hasn’t won the fans round and they aren’t playing well.
I hope they keep choking, Fernandez flops and Boehly’s project fails. If it fails there in the next couple of years, Boehly has jammed them up badly for a long time.
There’s a few unhappy players now, Potter hasn’t won the fans round and they aren’t playing well.
I hope they keep choking, Fernandez flops and Boehly’s project fails. If it fails there in the next couple of years, Boehly has jammed them up badly for a long time.
Tell me le last time a player sold for +80 millions was sold after with profit (so for more than the initial fee of +80 millions)?
It’s high likely Chelsea will lose money with him.
It’s high likely Chelsea will lose money with him.
It's ridiculous really, judging this transfer in isolation
All of our signings in recent years are based on installments. At least from memory in 2021, the fees for all of Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo were to be paid in equal installments each year. Does that mean Sancho only needed to play like a £15m winger last year?
This amount could be a huge load in Enzo’s back. He has to deliver for 121 million €. Mad
Price is crazy as despite the wolrd cup he has only had half a season in Europe. I think he has everything in his game though to become a craking midfielder and all the pundits lobelling it a lot of money for a holding midfielder are crazy, is also very good going forward.
But he is one of several deals will hit Chelsea financially over a period of time if the move doesnt work out or the player becomes unhappy. Fernandez is one I think will be a fan favourite.....but not sure he will be hapy over time as I still feel the manager fails and the dressing room falls apart
But he is one of several deals will hit Chelsea financially over a period of time if the move doesnt work out or the player becomes unhappy. Fernandez is one I think will be a fan favourite.....but not sure he will be hapy over time as I still feel the manager fails and the dressing room falls apart
He's worth half that money.
I hope he flops for them.
I hope he flops for them.
Pogba was under the microscope from United fans too, some felt he was let down and some felt he let the club down, with Enzo, there wont be no the club have left him down. They have backed the manager and I am told Enzo is a complete midfielder so he will not requite any unlocking.
I mean the first 6 months if it doesn't go well excuses will be climatizing to the league, which is fair enough, come next season, he has to dominate that midfield.
Chelsea's midfield cannot be dominated now.
Neymar's the only one I can think of.
Ronaldo as well… albeit a minor profit given inflation….
And I don’t know how much Inter bought and sold Lukaku but they did get a profit.
Lukaku at Inter for €80M and then to us for more
Other than that maybe only Ronaldo from Real to Juve and even that's a bad comparison because he spent almost a decade there and it was fecking Ronaldo.
Though in a lot of cases involving players moving for 80M+ we're talking about players in their prime years so it's only natural that their value declines as they age even if they're great signings, like Suarez to Barca or Van Dijk to Liverpool. In case of a young player like Enzo it's very much possible, if he's a success, that his value would at the very least stay in the same ballpark or maybe even increase but I think the question is a bit irrelevant because if he's a success I very much doubt we'd even be looking to sell him in the next 3-5 years but rather just keep building our team around him. Now if he's a flop then that's a whole other question.
Osimhen is a good exemple of the latter group. He was bought for 75 and will be sold for around 100… Age and performance are crucial.
The "its cheap if you divide it" mentality is how people have so much debt. Buy now pay later. Live now die later.
Wonder if Boehly has a Klarna account?
Of course. My point isn't that he's a bad player based on his youth career, it's that the claims of how good he was in Argentina justifying his transfer fee to Chelsea are extremely unconvincing. He was highly rated there, but he wasn't rated better than any other 10-15 million youngsters going to Europe every year and the insane fee imo has to be justified fully by his World Cup and half a season in Benfica. This doesn't mean he won't play well, just that it's an extremely risky move by Chelsea.
He's better than Tchouameni, I'd stake my life on it.
It's hard to say what Enzo's ceiling is because he was so obviously significantly better than any other player in the Portuguese league. What is especially encouraging is how flexible he is - an incredible asset when trying to break down a deep defense (as is the case for most of Benfica's league matches), but also capable of sitting deeper, doing defensive work, and playing a transition game in the CL matches against PSG, for instance.
Going into the World Cup, I was yammering on to anyone who'd listen that he was the second best midfielder present at the tournament - and I don't think I was wrong. For me he and Jude are the two best midfield prospects since Pogba.
I mean that's just not true. He was considered the best player on the continent by anyone who knew anything.
If united were in for him Chelsea wouldn't stand a chance. he got the better option from the ones he had.
Regarding 2 - That’s a huge reach. Fabregas is incredibly well decorated. I’d be amazed if Enzo won as much as Cesc.
So by whom exactly and in what timeframe? And why did no bigger clubs outbid Benfica for him then? Work permits are an issue in England, but Man City and Brighton still regurarly get good youngsters from there and it's not like other leagues don't have bigger clubs. I sincerely doubt this is enough to give Benfica a free run for him.
Plenty of teams bid for him - including Man United, Juventus, Liverpool, and Wolves. Benfica's bid was preferred because they offered a generous sell-on clause, have a proven track record of developing / giving minutes to young players, it's a relatively easy transition culturally for South Americans, and could offer CL football immediately.
Any sources for those bids? The only things I can find are about 'linking' or 'tracking' a player, but those are basically meaningless.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-united-news-ralf-rangnick-26723320
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...alks-Enzo-Fernandez-transfer-scouting-mission
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footba...y-leading-race-for-enzo-fernandez_483535.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ndez-club-looks-bolster-midfield-options.html
Most of the top teams were looking at him. He and River chose Benfica, wisely as it turned out.
Looking at him, sure. Obviously a key player for River is going to be scouted. But they look at thousands of players and that alone is never going to be enough to claim that he 'was considered the best player on the continent by anyone who knew anything'. As far as I can see, there are also no mentions of offers in those articles. Some explicitly claim that there wasn't one yet, just maybe in some future.
I would hate this if I were a Chelsea fan. It goes against so much said on here by fans trying to defend the transfer policy
I'm not basing it on how many people scouted him - that's the only metric you have?
It was common knowledge that he and Julian Alvarez were the two best players in the Americas. I also outlined all the reasons why he went to Benfica anyway - the point is not every elite South American player goes directly to a big club and it's not really reflective of their quality if they don't do so.
Impressive, you managed to name every banned RedCafe source in one sitting. I can't believe someone is unironically quoting the Daily Mail and the Mirror as their source for news, forget to add the Sun, did we? Also even in those sources no one mentioned a bid which is what the poster asked for proof of. Suck it up and admit you were wrong.
Mate those are hardly what I've got bookmarked. It's more or less impossible to google anything Fernandez-related at the moment.
Again, this is all irrelevant because the guy I was responding to apparently rates young players by the bids received for him. That the notion that a young player would choose to go to Benfica over other clubs is somehow an indictment of his quality.
Regardless here's a proper source confirming your interest:
I wanted him for United so badly. Feck you Rui Costa, you delivered the codes to Agent Smith Boehly.
Will have to follow Chelsea now. As if it wasn't enough with Brighton, City and of course as always, United.
Will have to follow Chelsea now. As if it wasn't enough with Brighton, City and of course as always, United.
This is kinda catchy 
Bad sources but even if their information is correct nowhere does it say in any of those articles that any club aside Benfica actually made a bid. Interest and bid are substantially different.
Modric is one of the greats so incomparable really.
But let’s see how he and Tchouameni fair in the coming years. Based on the WC Enzo looked a more exciting player to me albeit it was a small sample size. What I loved about him was that he was always had time on the ball which is something you don’t see often and his quick feet would make him near impossible to press. The question is whether it was a short burst of form / Argentina momentum / a perfect system and if he can replicate it for Chelsea consistently
How is it that Chelsea have been able to spend EUR 600m in one season? It's insane. Hope it backfires on them somehow.
I didn’t see anywhere that anyone besides us were willing to pay the release fee.
Can't see any other club offering that much.
A cm can’t live up to that sort of pricetag unless he can knock out 15-20 goal seasons.
He’ll flop, poor man’s Dennis Wise at best
He’ll flop, poor man’s Dennis Wise at best
In this particular case you've already done the leg work for us by quoting a post that is at best part of a game of chinese whispers
We're talking about the transfer from River to Benfica