Varane is better than Thiago Silva though. Easily verifiable by watching them play and by looking at their trophy hauls.
Weird take. The fact you tried to frame it as a uphill battle for Varane is even weirder
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Varane is better than Thiago Silva though. Easily verifiable by watching them play and by looking at their trophy hauls.
Weird take. The fact you tried to frame it as a uphill battle for Varane is even weirder
This is a wind up right?
The quality question doesn’t even answer the original question. Fabregas and Kovacic were considered surplus in Barcelona and Real respectively. Varane and Cassemiro were not.
With that said, statistics to rate midfielders is a big problem. Statistics will convince you that Xavi was inferior to Lampard, Gerrard and Fabregas.
With that said, statistics to rate midfielders is a big problem. Statistics will convince you that Xavi was inferior to Lampard, Gerrard and Fabregas.
From the forum who previously said "Fred is better then Kante".
I’m not going to lie. Some of you guys are shyting on Thiago Silva right now. He was arguably the fastest CB on the planet and even now he’s a very cultured CB.
It’s Apples & Pears for me. But no way was Varane faster than him. I’m not having that.
And from the same forum that largely laughed at that suggestion.
Thiago Silva was great during his prime and I would put him above Varane and Marquinhos but he hasn't been that player since maybe 2018 during that time both Marquinhos and Varane have been easily better.
I have no issue with the idea that current Varane is better than current Silva (although there's not much in it).
It's the Fabregas slander I'm objecting to. One of the Premier League's great midfielders.
Well, the best of Fabregas wasn' easily better than the best of Varane or Casemiro.
Virtually impossible to compare as all three played different roles and all three had very successful careers.
If I was offered the choice of a young version of all three players to spend their career at my club, I know who I'd pick and it'd not be a difficult choice.
Errrrrr can someone point me in the direction of the Fernandez thread?
But you were happy compare Fabregas favorably to Varane and Casemiro, now it's impossible?
And I agree, Casemiro impacted top teams the most and there hasn't been a lot of player that can perform his role during the past decade. The other two have been excellent but easier to replace.
When did I do that?
I've only seen Benfica a few times this season but I wouldn't say he's particularly stood out tbh. 130m makes Antony's fee seem reasonable.
Not really. Still both ridiculous fees.
Well the Fabregas conversation in the previous page was a comparison between Fabregas, Varane and Casemiro. And your answer was that people were slandering Fabregas not that the comparison wasn't possible.
But maybe I read too much into your post.
"Fabregas who was never good enough to be starter at that level."
Was the slander I was talking about.
Fair enough, I thought that you were talking about the entire conversation. I agree with you regarding that take.
By that bizarre logic Messi isn’t elite either then because he was better with Iniesta & Xavi behind him than anyone else.
The argument that is being used with Ferdinand is beyond pointless its a team sport
Van Dijk is average by the same logic because at Celtic he didn't look as good as he did with the players around him at Liverpool
Wow, this thread turned into a total train wreck since last night. Has there been even a single post about Enzo Fernandez in the last 5 pages? 
20 years ago but yeah I’ll give you that one. That said he was forced out of Madrid by Perez and as such they were happy to let him go.
The point made about Varane and Casemiro is Madrid wanted to keep both players but couldn’t and both players wanted to join United specifically due to the lure and pull of the club itself.
This was something your fellow poster said doesn’t happen at United anymore as the club doesn’t have such a pull. Both examples are recent too.
Why is it we have 44 pages on this guy and we're not buying him, and never were, yet the main Chelsea forum only has 10 pages on him.
I don't know if that says more about how jealous we are of them maybe getting him, the lack interest from Chelsea fans in him, or just the general gap of fans between the two clubs.
I don't know if that says more about how jealous we are of them maybe getting him, the lack interest from Chelsea fans in him, or just the general gap of fans between the two clubs.
We're football fans interested in a big transfer.
The latter I imagine
A few closet Chelsea fans on this site make the majority of the posts. You just have to look at the "who posted" and it's the same old names in every Chelsea thread.
It’s the latter. Redcafe is just much bigger than the shed end. For example there’s ~1400 users online here at the moment compared to 123 on at the shed end.
Rio deffo was.
Will be interesting to see who you consider elite if they both weren’t considered.
This is the correct answer. It’s why most oppo fans come on here.
Enzo Fernandes would be a very good buy but we just cannot afford him right now, and anyway a CF should be our priority.
Any of Thuram or Vlahovic would be nice.
Any of Thuram or Vlahovic would be nice.
Is this the most non-committal transfer link tweet of all time?
Can you monetize stuff like this cause it's got to be easy money if you can.
It would be a very easy choice to pick Casemiro
Finding a world class holding midfielder is very hard, and when you do, your team tends to have sustained success. It's one of the hardest positions to find. Center backs and creative midfielders are far easier to replace.
so is the rest of the fuking football world u thick cvnts
He was a great CB but i don't think he was ever the best CB around, and I don't think you can say he was ever better than Varane. Nor faster! But for pace maybe I just didn't pay enough attention to him, but I'll blame him for that by not playing in one of the biggest leagues.
I'll maintain that you simply can't judge his level accurately as a CB when he played against lesser opponents for most of his career, instead of going to La Liga or the Prem. The only way to show your quality in the Bundesliga, Ligue 1 or Serie A over the past decade (for the most part, Bundesliga and Serie A have had some good years but mostly been dominated by 1 team, while Ligue 1 is just a much weaker league), is to show you are the best in the CL. And between 12/13 and 19/20 while Thiago Silva was at PSG, they just leaked goals in the CL knockout rounds and their eliminations...
- 12/13 - 3 goals to Barca, quarters
- 13/14 - 3 goals to Chelsea, quarters
- 14/15 - 5 goals to Barca, quarters
- 15/16 - 3 goals to City, quarters
- 16/17 - 6 goals to Barca (6-1 hammering), Ro16
- 17/18 - 5 goals to Madrid, Ro16
- 18/19 - 3 goals to Oles United, Ro16
- 19/20 - 1-0 loss to Bayern in the final
Basically, the only way to truly judge a CB for me, is how they've done against the elite sides over the years. Thiago Silva has simply not done well with his teams before Chelsea. Not all his fault of course, but how else can you judge him? By performances against Lyon, Troyes, Rennes? It's the issue that happens when elite players go to PSG. Their league play is irrelevant and you can only judge what they do in continental or international football. And while yes Thiago Silva is still a great CB, I just don't think he's ever shown something to be ahead of Varane, Ramos, Pique, Rio, Vidić, etc.
Hmm, stab the in the dark here, but by watching him?
His quality has always been obvious. Whether it was for Milan, PSG or for Brazil. I’m surprised he’s done as well as he has at Chelsea, but not because of any doubts over his quality, but because of his age. He has everything you want in a CB. Certainly better than Varane and Pique.
I don’t think you watched Silva in his prime and nearly all your points are wrong or arguable especially Varane being better in the air.
Bro just YouTube him at AC Milan he was a beast. The big hint is the amount of money PSG spent on him as soon as they got cash to blow.
Technically he’s way above a Varane (No disrespect to Varane either).
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