Been very impressed by Bumrah, not many bowlers in the world can call upon the inswinger and the outswinger on command like he has today.
English & Irish Cricket Summer 2018
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Good batting at the end there from Moeen and Curran, England seem to veer massively from being far too defensive or far too attacking, rotating the strike and putting the really bad balls away is all they need to do. India haven't given them too many bad balls to be fair.
You treat every criticism of India like a personal attack. Whatever it is that's eating away at you, perhaps you should address it.
Yeah, but the team bottom of Div 2 are clearly of a comparable standard to this attack.
Come on.. Trescothick and Collingwood are in their mid-40s!
Chris Rogers and Adam Voges both made their debuts around the age Bell is now.
Not saying it's the ideal solution but it's not ludicrous either.
My read on Bell's 'form' is he's playing well because he's talented player who is not burdened with expectation and is playing in a division with not too many challenging bowlers. It's not like he's been scoring shedloads of runs since he was dropped from the England team. He's had to have a crap year in Division 1, lose the captaincy and drop down a division in order to get back into some reasonable form.
Burns, Vince, Clarke and even Hildreth deserve a look in ahead of him.
What will it to take to dismiss this annoying little cnut Curran!?!
More jinxes, you lazy bastard!
And you seem to know very little about the Indian team and keep posting nonsensical opinions.
This English team lower order is very annoying!
Fair points, don't disagree.
Mark Nicholas was talking about using Vince as an opener. Sounds like an interesting prospect. I'd like to see someone attacking opening with Cook.
Also, might be worth sticking with Curran and trying to develop him into a middle-order player? He's looked as composed and technically sound as any of our batsmen.
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As Atherton said it's more of a case of the ball getting older and softer. The frustration for England is Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler etc. aren't batting in this moment because of the weak opening pair and lack of a proper no. 3.
Yeah but again another batsmen not where they want to be.
Root is a 4, Bairstow is a 5, Stokes is a 6, Buttler is a 7. Fill in the gaps around them however you want.
Ah the classic Moeen brain fade.
It's because there's no difference in ability between numbers 1-6 and 7-9. You could swap Moeen for Bairstow, or Curran for Jennings, and see very little change.
The lower order just get an older ball and more tired bowlers. No wonder they fare better.
Anyway we've given you another wicket so it won't be long until you're batting.
Agree 100%.
I'd like to see this:
Cook
Vince
Clarke (might as well throw another kid in if none of the older players are good enough)
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Curran
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
Burns at 2, Vince at 3, will probably see it next test I fancy.
At this point Vince' classic 30 and a nick would be extremely useful as an opener.
England need to get as close to 250 as they can and hope India don't get a significant amount more than 350.
England need to get as close to 250 as they can and hope India don't get a significant amount more than 350.
Their is a world of difference between having a free license at the top of the order in a confidant ODI side, and batting 4 in the test team when you’re consistently coming out within 15 overs, as he has proved once again he’s not good enough to bat higher than 6, as far as I’m concerned if he wasn’t fit enough to keep then his batting certainly was good enough to keep Vince, Pope or Clarke out of England’s top 4.
Cook should have went with captaincy it’s getting beyond a joke that he’s still there, Jennings showed a year ago he wasn’t good enough for test cricket, Root said he didn’t want to bat 3 and without getting to 20 in his past 5 innings is showing why.
Bairstow is England's 2nd best batsman.
Cook, Burns, Vince, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Curran/Woakes, Broad, Anderson is for my money the strongest side England can pick. Harsh on Rashid who has done little wrong, but yeah.
.Is Curran 1st? He is too bottom handed to be anything other then an aggressive N6 or 7, @5 is important and you have some style and resilience about you, like Chanderpaul, VVS Laxman, Hussey, Collingwood, Bell, something that Bairstow lacks badly
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Burns looks a better player every time England bat doesn't he. No guarantee he'll be any better but worth a try.
Shocker by the umpire that.
Serves Root right for burning the first one I guess.
Serves Root right for burning the first one I guess.
Was missing leg by a long way 
Obviously not, but then again Burns has gone past a thousand runs every summer for the last 5 years and averages mid 40s as opposed to 34 (Jennings and Stoneman). So conventional wisdom would tell you he's probably the better player of the three.
Impossible to worse TBF
It's reverse swinging quite a lot now
Bairstow has plenty of style about him and he's already played 2 very good knocks this series that he should have converted into 100s. He needs to pick and choose his shots better and sometimes he seems to forget where his off stump is. The talent and technique is there.
He already averages 38 in test cricket, he just needs to push himself a bit harder.
Giving away stupid runs now with wayward bowling
Whatever happened to that Haseeb guy? Not playing well in County either?
Think he averages 20 since coming back from a broken finger, got a golden duck the other day.
Can’t buy a run at country cricket since getting injured for England
India's over-rate today is absolutely abysmal.
Turning Dom Bess into a batsman a la Steve Smith is preferable to bringing back Bell or something.
At what point do England, with their riches of bowling all-rounders, just say hey why don't you pack in the bowling a bit and just become an ace batsman?
At what point do England, with their riches of bowling all-rounders, just say hey why don't you pack in the bowling a bit and just become an ace batsman?
Yeah let's not forget he's spent his entire career at The Oval. Stoneman only moved there last summer having spent his entire career at Durham, as did Jennings before signing for Lancs - another club who play their home games on a spicy pitch.
Anyway, the bigger question: how long before we push Curran into the top 6?
We don't, just leave him be. He's not even got a first-class 100 yet.
As has the bowling for the last few overs. The advantage is slipping away.
Must be something in the Yorkshire water that stops him and Root converting 50s to 100s
@ 6 & 7 he averages 41 in 69 test innings which is what you want it to be, so why move him from where he is at his best, in 25 innings at 5 it is 32 and 2 innings at 4 it’s 10.5 (not that you can judge on only 2 innings but it helps to prove my point)