The weather is an integral part of Cricket so naturally it can feck it up also. I wouldn't change a thing*
*Weather related. Would change loads of things regarding over rates and flexibility with session timings.
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The weather is an integral part of Cricket so naturally it can feck it up also. I wouldn't change a thing*
*Weather related. Would change loads of things regarding over rates and flexibility with session timings.
You did lose it in the first two, because you've not retained it
Win those and this farce becomes irrelevant.
The cricket played has been exceptional from both teams, but England have made more mistakes than the Aussies, that's the major difference.
You did lose it in the first two, because you've not retained it
Win those and this farce becomes irrelevant.
The cricket played has been exceptional from both teams, but England have made more mistakes than the Aussies, that's the major difference.
This isn't hard mate. Without some bad luck that England can't do anything about it would be 2-2, so losing the first two tests is just sport - nothing was finished. Even with the weather, England haven't lost anything.
In your second paragraph you are discussing something else entirely which is your opinion and fair enough.
There’s plenty of sports you can’t play properly in the rain. Tennis is an obvious one.
Do they not just play them when it's not raining though?
Well yes. Clearly you need someone to win Wimbledon, you can’t have a draw in tennis like you can in cricket.
Personally I think a back up day if agreed in advance is perfectly logical for big matches. Cricket always gets in the way of itself when it comes to tradition.
I'm not against a reserve day at all but I've been watching test cricket for two/three decades and a test like this only comes up once in a while. So it does feel slightly reactionary.
Nah I know. I’m not massively bothered. It’s only because it’s the ashes that it’s getting so much attention.
There are some potential downsides to reserve days, such as an unwillingness to play through a bit of bad weather, or not rushing to get the game restarted. Plus the added costs of organising security (and everything else) for a day that probably won’t be used.
I'm envisaging the reserve Tuesday at Trent Bridge next year when we are already 2-0 up v Sri Lanka.
Honestly, one of the grounds in england should build a new studium from scratch with a retractable roof and see how that goes.
A stadium with a roof would be a huge call in cricket. Imagine the impact on swing and seaming conditions etc.
Yep, but the shark jumped with the night test matches, so why the hell not?
Yeah that’s why I said previously only for select matches. They seem to allow it for the final, so might as well for the ashes.Disappointing way for the ashes to be decided, but you can't control the weather there's been plenty of occasions where its helped teams out just on this occasion its Australia.
England certainly deserved a crack at the oval to actually win the ashes but there is still plenty to play for like stopping them winning in England for the first time in 22 years.
Overall its been a fantastic series I think England have made more mistakes in Big moments and that's why their 2-1 down.I thought at the start of the series there was very little between the 2 sides in English conditions and Stokes deserves huge credit for sticking to Bazball as it has made the series much more exciting.All the talk that they won't be able to do it against the Aussies has been proven wrong although they haven't won the Ashes they have proved they can compete with any team playing this way.
Don't know if anyone seen Sangakarras interview on sky where he spoke about England's approach he was full of praise and with a bit more experience England will be a phenomenal team.Interestingly McGrath said pretty much the same thing.
The future is hopefully bright for England and more importantly Test cricket which is far and away the best form of the game.
England certainly deserved a crack at the oval to actually win the ashes but there is still plenty to play for like stopping them winning in England for the first time in 22 years.
Overall its been a fantastic series I think England have made more mistakes in Big moments and that's why their 2-1 down.I thought at the start of the series there was very little between the 2 sides in English conditions and Stokes deserves huge credit for sticking to Bazball as it has made the series much more exciting.All the talk that they won't be able to do it against the Aussies has been proven wrong although they haven't won the Ashes they have proved they can compete with any team playing this way.
Don't know if anyone seen Sangakarras interview on sky where he spoke about England's approach he was full of praise and with a bit more experience England will be a phenomenal team.Interestingly McGrath said pretty much the same thing.
The future is hopefully bright for England and more importantly Test cricket which is far and away the best form of the game.
Yeah a combo of poor planning from ECB along with too many basic errors such as dropped catches, bowling no balls and chasing short deliveries gave us mountain to climb that just wasn’t necessary
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That's scant consolation saying we will be better in the future after chucking away Ashes by not being sharp enough when it mattered. Like others have said it says it all about ECB they don't have rain days in place for circumstances like this. Still cannot believe they just allowed this farce to happen due to being stuck in their ways.
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Didn't seem to get much outrage when it benefited England like in 2013.
This should be the end of Anderson
Yeah and that felt just as tainted even though that went in our favour. Why on earth was there a series here in 2015 too.
You know he'll be in the squad for the next ashes.
No way not at 43
There is nearly always one weather affected test in an ashes series in England. At the end of the day we have lost 2 tests it was always a monumental task to try and turn it around to win 3-2 and the weather is one of the reasons it's such a monumental task.
They did everything they could to set up the possibility of winning, playing some remarkable cricket in all honesty in what was always likely to be a shortened test. But Aus held firm and did just enough with the bat for the draw. Much like England in at the oval in 2005, also a weather affected test.
In the first two test, England dropped catches and gave away too many sloppy wickets. And really that's what it comes down to.
They did everything they could to set up the possibility of winning, playing some remarkable cricket in all honesty in what was always likely to be a shortened test. But Aus held firm and did just enough with the bat for the draw. Much like England in at the oval in 2005, also a weather affected test.
In the first two test, England dropped catches and gave away too many sloppy wickets. And really that's what it comes down to.
Don't think I've ever been annoyed before to wake up and see that it's not raining
Come on, you can’t post Piers Morgan to try and make a serious point.
Initially I agreed with you on this, but then I thought about how it could work and its actually not that difficult.
Firstly playing until bad light to get the overs in is an absolute necessity. In this test Australia knew the forecast as well as we did, over 3 days its not hard for a team to slice a good number of overs out of the game.
In terms of weather it would be down to the umpires and you can have a situation where the umpires can, if they chose, move either 30 minutes or 60 minutes forward in the game. They can decide how much based on a number of factors including how far ahead the forecast is (e.g. a really bad last day forecast might only move 30 minutes on day 1), how bad the forecast is and how many affected days. This wouldn't add time into the match, simply move it forward. In real terms this likely won't effect day 5 at all because:
- if the weather comes then time gets put back into day 5
- it is extremely unlikely that the weather doesn't come if a lot of time has been moved (i.e. you'd have to have consistently awaful forecasts that turn out to be completely wrong)
- if some weather comes but you end up losing an hour or two from day 5 then that's a trade off, but its the final day of a test, its not at all uncommon its not a full day
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Man the Ashes system sucks.
It's so deflating to have gone through three fantastic Tests, then be so on top in the fourth and have rain ruin the whole thing.
But then the fact that they keep the urn (which is effectively a trophy here) is the most frustrating thing.
I get that the Ashes have to be somewhere but being able to keep them even if you don't win the series is madness (I appreciate there's still a good chance they will win the series).
I just think it takes away a little from the spectacle now that we can draw the series but we still lose the Ashes.
What's wrong with no one winning the urn and it's a drawn series? I'm open to offers but I can't think of another sport that has an event which works like this.
It's so deflating to have gone through three fantastic Tests, then be so on top in the fourth and have rain ruin the whole thing.
But then the fact that they keep the urn (which is effectively a trophy here) is the most frustrating thing.
I get that the Ashes have to be somewhere but being able to keep them even if you don't win the series is madness (I appreciate there's still a good chance they will win the series).
I just think it takes away a little from the spectacle now that we can draw the series but we still lose the Ashes.
What's wrong with no one winning the urn and it's a drawn series? I'm open to offers but I can't think of another sport that has an event which works like this.
In fairness quite a few do this: Ryder Cup a draw you retain, in boxing/MMA a draw the champion retains etc.
Isn't it effectively what you are describing here Aussie have retained the ashes basis this drawn test but Series would still be considered tied if English win the last Test for the record books . Chess World Championship games used to have similar concept at least when I used to follow it no Idea about now .
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In Test Cricket Australia and India have Border Gavaskar Trophy where similar thing applies Current Holder retains it if they draw the series .
It's not really a big deal tbf. There have only been 6 drawn ashes series (including 2019).
Bright sunshine in Manchester today so far for feck sake
Aus win at Oval would shut all this whinging up once and for all
Bright sunshine in Manchester today so far for feck sake
If only there was a reserve day
Needless to say there's no sympathy for England among the Aussie media: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...rain-affected-draw-in-the-fourth-test-1389181
If this had been the 2nd test for example I don't think it would have been such an issue, it's just disappointment that the moment the series was decided happened off the pitch.
It's also that it feels like a real opportunity missed for the game in this country. This was probably the most hyped series I can remember, people who don't usually watch cricket have been attracted to it and there was the likelihood of a deciding 5th test on free-to-air TV. For followers of the sport, we basically accept that this stuff happens occasionally but for casual/new viewers you can see why they might think it's all a bit of a farce and lose interest.
It's also that it feels like a real opportunity missed for the game in this country. This was probably the most hyped series I can remember, people who don't usually watch cricket have been attracted to it and there was the likelihood of a deciding 5th test on free-to-air TV. For followers of the sport, we basically accept that this stuff happens occasionally but for casual/new viewers you can see why they might think it's all a bit of a farce and lose interest.
Serious? Who was being serious?
Perhaps just pointing out that losing due to rain isn't as big an injustice as is being portrait. Piers obviously is a known drama queen but mirrors some of the general drama.
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Yeah, in a way losing due to the rain is arguably the fairest way it can happen ironically.
Completely get the frustration though. Aussies are basically used to destroying England over each day of a test at least once every 2 years. For England, this happens maybe once a decade if we're lucky.
Australia have massively got away with one here, and they manage to take the Ashes with them.
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I wouldn’t expect any sympathy nor have England been hard done by. If you lose the first two you leave yourselves exposed to this kind of thing, it’s just galling as losing almost two full days is quite rare and it’s unusual for the winner to be so obvious as well so it’s very clear what result the weather is denying. Plus if you’re an England fan, these opportunities feel few and far between. People can call it whinging, but it’s just a human reaction to be disappointed and anyone would feel the same if it was their own team affected.
A final showdown at the Oval would have been the better spectacle too, but hopefully both teams are still able to motivate themselves so that it’s as exciting as the others have been.
A final showdown at the Oval would have been the better spectacle too, but hopefully both teams are still able to motivate themselves so that it’s as exciting as the others have been.