They either stick or they don't. Half chance.
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They either stick or they don't. Half chance.
Would have been such a lift to get that on the back of Labuschagne getting out. Thought it might have stuck after that Bairstow one in the first innings but unfortunately not.
Difficult chance. Abdullah Shafique took an amazing catch in their recent match against SL. It needed to be one of those.
Be surprised if they get any play at all in today, this weather is bad even for Manchester standards
Has the forecast changed? Yesterday saw people being a bit more positive about today's weather
According to the BBC weather app, there’s a 98% chance of rain at 11am, and it doesn’t fall below 90% all day. Given the time it takes for the outfield to dry out between downpours, the chance of any significant playing time today looks remote.
Surely Stokes regrets that "look how positive we are" declaration on day 1 at Edgbaston.
And then somehow managed to not declare soon enough on Day 3 in this test.
This is a real kick in the teeth for England though. I genuinely think England have been the better side this series and Stokes has generally been incredible.
At the very least this series deserves to go to a decider. Let’s hope there’s enough play.
I don't remember the weather potentially having this much of a impact in the ashes before? If england win today they'll be favourites to win 3-2 but if this is washed out, it wouldn't surprise me if Aus win the series 3-1. Aus can thank the shit english weather for getting away with this one!
How does declaring earlier on Friday help?
Australia would be sitting with a big lead by now. If England don't have time to bowl them out they don't have time to play a 4 innings game anyway.
The correct call was to try to condense it into 3 innings.
Edit. In the 15 overs from Brooks dismissal England, bairstow, scored 118 runs.
- would you rather have those 15 overs back and Australia be 100 ish ahead now (at their current rate) ignoring that England couldn't use as attacking a field without the runs behind them?
One of the dumbest decisions I’ve seen in cricket for a long time.
This declaration was definitely dumb
England have a great captain but england definitely haven't been the better side, for most part they have been beneficiaries of Cummins and aussie management's ineptitude. Put stokes in aussie team and australia are winning this 4-0 right now. Its amazing how bad a captain cummins is, aussies really need to think how they go forward with him, the difference with and without cummins leading was unbeleivable in india i feel it would have been bigger here.
Heh. It was a risk that didn’t pay off. They wanted a chance to bowl in the best conditions on a flat pitch but didn’t get any break through.
They ended up needing to take 2 wickets with 54 runs left to chase. So the declaration didn’t impact on the match situation from that point of view, England should have won despite the early declaration not leading to any wickets on that first night.
It’s all very hypothetical anyway, and I’ve been guilty of it in the last few days when discussing the declaration in this test. England could have gone on and scored another 100 runs in that first test, or Root could have been out next ball. They could have taken a few wickets and it been seen as a master stroke of a decision, but in hindsight, it’s wasn’t.
Of course England have been the better team. The stupid declaration, bairstow awful wicket keeping and then a stupid run out are the reason England aren't 3 0 up here.
Australia are better, but they haven't shown it so far. Warner has been crap, Smith and Marnus have had what 2 good scores between them in 8 innings etc. When was the last time you could say that about 3 of Australia's best batters?
All of those things are of England's making though so they can't complain about being behind. Stokes made the call to declare, and Bairstow is at fault for both of the others. Its not like this test where the only thing England can blame is the weather.
I feel too much is made of the declaration, with stokes you have to take bad with the good, this is the same crazy thinking that got you wins in pakistan and knocked australia on the backfoot in the 2nd test, him backing bairstow as the keeper falls in the same category he also backed crawley who is england's highest scorer right now, most captains wouldn't have. You say smith and labuschane have been crap same goes for anderson, i mean who would have thought anderson would have fewer wickets than green and moeen. To me as a neutral it is 55-45 australia on overall performance, england until this test have had to fight back from unfavorable positions to have a chance of winning while aussies have mostly been in the commanding position only to give it up.
But that's part and parcel of the new tactics. With those attacking tactics, England's batting has benefited but then at the same time you'll have occasions where they will be too aggressive, as with the decleration. It's well known that Bairstow isn't a great keeper so if you select him behind the stumps, to benefit from his batting, you'll also have to bare him dropping catches.
This was all I rely to a poster saying the only thing England have going for them is their captain...
Anyone want a ticket for today for free? I don’t feel like travelling with the forecast being this bad
The part which still absolutely guts me was that inability to put them away at Edgbaston. Also wonder could we not have started this test later if weather was predicted to be so awful. I only say that because annoyingly looks better tomorrow
Why is the AccuWeather radar now giving me hope 
Aussies lucky in this match but overall they’ve had some bad luck. Losing 4 out of 4 tosses away from home is crazy. Also it feels like they’ve mostly batted in overcast conditions and the sun comes out when it’s England’s turn.
Yeah that is very true
Why is the AccuWeather radar now giving me hope
They were the only ones who did that yesterday
I can’t believe people are still going on about that first test declaration. England made more than enough chances to win from there, they didn’t take them. I disagree about Australia being unluckier too. They had the better of the overheads at Edgbaston and weather will probably save them here.
I think England have grown into this series, they were very rusty in the first two tests and 2-2 would be a pretty fair reflection of the series so far. England warming up against Ireland with only one first choice quick whilst Australia had a test final vs India, Leach going down injured, giving Bairstow the gloves after a massive injury (he said the other day he hadn’t kept in 3 years!) and Wood/Woakes only being available from the 3rd test. They just didn’t prepare well enough to be honest, some of those things were out of their hands but looking at the catching in the first 2 tests just shows they weren’t quite ready as a group.
I think England have grown into this series, they were very rusty in the first two tests and 2-2 would be a pretty fair reflection of the series so far. England warming up against Ireland with only one first choice quick whilst Australia had a test final vs India, Leach going down injured, giving Bairstow the gloves after a massive injury (he said the other day he hadn’t kept in 3 years!) and Wood/Woakes only being available from the 3rd test. They just didn’t prepare well enough to be honest, some of those things were out of their hands but looking at the catching in the first 2 tests just shows they weren’t quite ready as a group.
Whats it looking like?
There’s a massive band of rain north of Old Trafford, if it blows east they should be ok to get some cricket in today but the forecast reckons this band is going to swing south and if it does then there will be no cricket.
Monday looks quite good weather wise though.
Whats the reason for no reserve days? Have the icc ever commented as to why?
No idea. They used to never play on Sunday’s in tests here and have a rest day, would have been handy in this test.
They really need to look at reserve days / earlier hours to get these matches finished. It's ridiculous an entire series like this can be ruined unnecessarily.
WTC final at the Oval, started @ 10:30 and had a reserve day.
Losing Nathan Lyon early on was also a major kick in the teeth.
I don’t think it’s really relevent for Australia to feel aggrieved about it considering England haven’t had their first choice spinner either, along with so many fast bowlers plus Pope.
This happened on the Sheffield Shield earlier this year with Queensland needing 16 to win with 10 wickets in hand: NSW, by refusing to bowl spinners in low light, opted to go off the field. Light never improved and the game was called off.
, that’s mad. How can they know if it’s too dark for fast bowlers without bowling some deliveries and seeing how the batters/fielders react?
Because that's now how it works. If the umpires deem it to dark, then it's dangerous for the batsmen and you can't play