English cricket thread

What a game, so very close, could have gone ether way. Khawaja held the Australian top order up, is Warner's time up? I don't see Australia changing a winning formula but surely they cannot retain him if he fails at Lords.

2021 8 innings avg of 38.37
2022 11 innings avg of 30.05
2023 8 innings avg of 15.62
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
They were not half chances at all. Both of them had no control of the ball and Lyon actually hit the ball in the air with 4 fielders in the area. He got lucky and that’s fine but it was hardly a master plan in terms of batting. Overall Australia messed up the chase in most parts and with 50+ needed with 9-11 left they would have lost most times. It was hardly a case of their smart consistent cricket winning
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The Aussies played smart to win. Would they have preferred to win with 0 wickets lost? Of course, but considering they were 75 runs short with Cummins and Khawaja at the crease and then 50 runs short with Cummins and Lyon at the crease, they had to play smartly and they did. Not really sure what's up for debate here.
 
If the plan is to get more people watching then it seems to be working. It was the most watched Ashes Test on Sky ever and the highest peak audience for any Test on Sky with 2.12m viewers.
 
The Corinthian said:
The Aussies played smart to win. Would they have preferred to win with 0 wickets lost? Of course, but considering they were 75 runs short with Cummins and Khawaja at the crease and then 50 runs short with Cummins and Lyon at the crease, they had to play smartly and they did. Not really sure what's up for debate here.
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It’s because you are using the result to come up with your analysis. So did the smart cricket start only for the last two wickets or only after the dropped catch ? I would say that their tactics of batting so slow wasn’t actually very smart and in most cases they would have lost the game
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
It’s because you are using the result to come up with your analysis. So did the smart cricket start only for the last two wickets or only after the dropped catch ? I would say that their tactics of batting so slow wasn’t actually very smart and in most cases they would have lost the game
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What? The smart cricket was how they played on the final day after losing their middle order for relatively cheap. The fact that they won quite comfortably in the end without any high risk shots just proves my point.
 
The Corinthian said:
What? The smart cricket was how they played on the final day after losing their middle order for relatively cheap. The fact that they won quite comfortably in the end without any high risk shots just proves my point.
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The did win yes but I'd say 85% of the time in that scenario they would have lost its only smart after the fact, the batters left average was probably like 15/16 a piece so if they batted to par they would have lost its only because they overachieved they won surely you see that
 
Gavinb33 said:
The did win yes but I'd say 85% of the time in that scenario they would have lost its only smart after the fact, the batters left average was probably like 15/16 a piece so if they batted to par they would have lost its only because they overachieved they won surely you see that
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There's a reason why Australia are World Champions, they play smart most of the time, and if everyone played to par all the time it would be a pretty shite game
 
Gavinb33 said:
The did win yes but I'd say 85% of the time in that scenario they would have lost its only smart after the fact, the batters left average was probably like 15/16 a piece so if they batted to par they would have lost its only because they overachieved they won surely you see that
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This doesn't make any sense. It's because of the situation they were in that it was a superlative effort - 70 runs short with their number 8, and then 50 runs short with their number 9. Even the probability thingy had England as overwhelming favourites at that point.

Also, if everyone batted and bowled to their average, the Aussies would have won by day 3, but it's a silly way to look at it.
 




:lol: I'm a bit shocked England haven't told him to pipe down. Riling up the Australians like this is bound to end in tears.
 
Baz spoke first. He always goes first when we lose. He just said, “Lads, I’m immensely proud of the efforts that you’ve put in, we’ve made the game what it was. We were so close to pulling off an unbelievable victory. We played all the cricket in the game. If it wasn’t for us, the Australians wouldn’t have even had a chance to win.”

Baz said it after the game, “It feels like we’ve won, lads.” We’ve entertained the world, and we’ve put the Aussies on the back foot. For him to say that after a loss is quite significant for us.

Of course it sounds weird because they won it, but I think if they’re honest, Australia will look at themselves and realise they need to change their approach to keep up with how we’re going to play. If there’s any movement in the pitch at Lord’s, the way we’re playing compared to them is going to benefit us hugely.

Cricket's version of "Can a loss be a win?".

I can't tell if this is a WUM or not. HIlarious though - makes the next test spicier
 
Really good fightback from England Women, especially nice to get Perry on 99. They're still up against it though.
 
Samid said:




:lol: I'm a bit shocked England haven't told him to pipe down. Riling up the Australians like this is bound to end in tears.
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Im very surprised how the Aussies are riled up and it’s a bit ironic considering their past behaviour. He seems to have got them a number of them including their media riled up. I didn’t agree with what he did but it’s funny to see.
 
TheGame said:
Im very surprised how the Aussies are riled up and it’s a bit ironic considering their past behaviour. He seems to have got them a number of them including their media riled up. I didn’t agree with what he did but it’s funny to see.
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They don't like it when the shoe's on the other foot, classic symptom of a bully
 
Just want to say test cricket shits all over franchise cricket and always will. After hearing about Edgbaston 2005 ad nauseum in this test, Australia have their own Edgbaston epic to celebrate.
 
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Gavinb33 said:
I mean the same aussies who were telling Anderson he'd get a broken arm are riled up by Robinson classic Aussies give it out in spades but cannot take it one bit
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Well they don't usually take well if somebody else gives them big It happened with Indians in Past against Aussies .

But all this noise whether it is from English , Aussies or any team that engages like this becomes irrelevant if it can't be backed on the field .
 
The Aussies dishing it out have usually been those that can talk the talk and walk the walk…Punter, Clarke, McGrath etc.

Ollie Robinson is just a non-descript bowler who’ll probably be a question on a quiz show in a few years time.
 
The Corinthian said:
The Aussies dishing it out have usually been those that can talk the talk and walk the walk…Punter, Clarke, McGrath etc.

Ollie Robinson is just a non-descript bowler who’ll probably be a question on a quiz show in a few years time.
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Ponying is daft. Robinson took more wickets than any Aussie quicks last match. I wonder how Boland feels about the comments about trundling in at 80mph, after putting up 150-2.
 
Dan_F said:
Ponying is daft. Robinson took more wickets than any Aussie quicks last match. I wonder how Boland feels about the comments about trundling in at 80mph, after putting up 150-2.
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He took 5 wickets across the test dude. That’s hardly anything to crow about.

And I don’t remember Boland giving it the big un in any of the press conferences.
 
The Corinthian said:
He took 5 wickets across the test dude. That’s hardly anything to crow about.
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He took 3/55 and 2/43. That's match figures of 5/98 at an average of 19.6 on a pitch offering very little.

I know that Robinson's not exactly the most likeable cricketer, but there's a lot of agenda-driven posting against him.
 
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The Corinthian said:
He took 5 wickets across the test dude. That’s hardly anything to crow about.

And I don’t remember Boland giving it the big un in any of the press conferences.
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More than any other Aussie quick, at I’m assuming a better average.

Ponting is using his pace as a stick to beat him, even though he was far more successful than any of the Aussie quicks. Boland especially got smashed in comparison.

I understand that if you lose and act like that, its not a good look, but Ponting seems to think the Aussie’s battered us.
 
The Corinthian said:
He took 5 wickets across the test dude. That’s hardly anything to crow about.

And I don’t remember Boland giving it the big un in any of the press conferences.
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Boland must be the most timid Australian ever. A man of very few words after the WTC win.
 
Gavinb33 said:
Maybe not the right place for this, but hell of a knock by Tanmy Beaumont today in the ladies Ashes 208 only 7 women have knocked a double hundred before
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A thread about the ashes - seems like the perfect place for it!

Was a great knock. 6th highest score ever in women’s test cricket.
 
:lol: Goodness me, another Australia ex player rattled by Ollie Robinson. They really don't like it when you chunter back at them do they. Bit ironic coming from Clarke as well who once told James Anderson to 'get ready for a broken arm' in a match.

 
Doesn’t look like the women have much of a shot from here, shame as at 50-0 they looked in complete control.

They were saying on commentary that England now have to win 5 of the 6 one day games to win the ashes. Seems like such a bizarre format to weight one test that heavily.
 
Dan_F said:
Doesn’t look like the women have much of a shot from here, shame as at 50-0 they looked in complete control.

They were saying on commentary that England now have to win 5 of the 6 one day games to win the ashes. Seems like such a bizarre format to weight one test that heavily.
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I'm not sure what the weighting is but you'd only have to be weighting it equal to two one day games, right? England win 4 one day games and Aus win 2 and 2 points for the test would be 4-4 and the Ashes don't change hands.
 
DOTA said:
I'm not sure what the weighting is but you'd only have to be weighting it equal to two one day games, right? England win 4 one day games and Aus win 2 and 2 points for the test would be 4-4 and the Ashes don't change hands.
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Yeah I guess so but it basically means the ashes are won by Australia already. How often do any test or one day series finish 5-1 to either team, even more so if the teams are evenly matched.

At least if the test was at the end then you could keep up some kind of competitiveness.
 
Dan_F said:
Yeah I guess so but it basically means the ashes are won by Australia already. How often do any test or one day series finish 5-1 to either team, even more so if the teams are evenly matched.

At least if the test was at the end then you could keep up some kind of competitiveness.
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Yeah, does seem a more sensible idea.

Really good game though.
 
The Ollie Robinson stuff seems to be a lot being made out of very little. They'll be pulling out the Ouija board to ask for Warne's thoughts next.

That being said, fire between the two teams like this is what a series like the Ashes should be about.
 
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