England vs Bangladesh

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Nice to see Trott get some runs, and I know it's only Bangladesh, but after a decent start he struggled in SA and we can't really afford that against Australia, so an important summer for him
 
362-4 at the close. Agree about Trott, he needs some runs and 175 not out, albeit against Bangladesh, can only help his confidence.
 
Delighted with the day's play today. Taking 6 England wickets for 150 on a pitch that offered feck all to the bowlers, and then finishing up at 2/172 is a pretty comprehensive win for us.

The only dampener was Tamim Iqbal getting run out in that fashion. He was in superb nick and was well on the way to a pretty dazzling century before calamity struck. He's only 21 but there's not too many players in the world who are easier on the eye than him when he gets going.
 
The mighty tigers mauled the weak English bowling...

We owned the day!

Shahadat with 5 wickets, getting his name on the famous wall...along with our two other pacers, both for getting centuries...hahaha.

Batting was excellent, I now await the inevitable collapse tomorrow.

Really really need Junaid to carry on and get a century, 3 starts, we need one to fire, otherwise we won't be able to post a decent score.

I knew we would have sessions, and possibly a day or two this series where we were on top, but the problem is, while our highs are nice, the lows are beyond terrible.

Still...after day 1, it looked like England were set to make ~650, and we would be in real trouble already.

Instead we showed plenty of heart, and a bit of application today!

Go Bangladesh.





*Can't wait to come back tomorrow night bitching about how useless this lot are*
 
Well there's showers predicted tomorrow which means there'll be plenty of cloud cover/moisture around when they do manage to fit in some play, and plenty of swing available to their seamers unlike today.

For all the improvement our batsmen have shown, I reckon just about every single one of them except Mushfiq is clueless against quality swing bowling so I fully expect wickets to tumble tomorrow. If we can get to 350 and put them in again, I'll regard that as a reasonable result.

Either way, in the space of two days we've almost doubled our combined wickets from the 2005 series and almost got as many half-centuries, so let's just enjoy it and thank the heavens that we're not 150 for 8 as predicted.
 
Melbourne Red said:
Well there's showers predicted tomorrow which means there'll be plenty of cloud cover/moisture around when they do manage to fit in some play, and plenty of swing available to their seamers unlike today.

For all the improvement our batsmen have shown, I reckon just about every single one of them except Mushfiq is clueless against quality swing bowling so I fully expect wickets to tumble tomorrow. If we can get to 350 and put them in again, I'll regard that as a reasonable result.

Either way, in the space of two days we've almost doubled our combined wickets from the 2005 series and almost got as many half-centuries, so let's just enjoy it and thank the heavens that we're not 150 for 8 as predicted.
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Jahurul looks to have a solid technique.

350? Wow you really are optimistic...we have Ashrafcuk and Shakib to come still...Shakib will play a rash slog sweep and get out, ashrafcuk well take your pick.

I will be amazed if we actually get to 300...sure the pitch is good for batting, and the bowlers really haven't done much, but Bangladesh have the ability to make anyone look world class, and any pitch a minefield.

But like you, I am simply basking in the glory of this Day 2, the hell with what will happen tomorrow or the day after.
 
Not convinced about Jahurul, there's been a sheldoad of deliveries that have missed his bat, although he proved himself to be a pretty good hitter in that Dhaka test a couple of months ago.

With two set batsmen at the crease, and four recognised batsmen to come, three of whom are averaging above 40 in their last 8-10 tests, I'll be mortified if we don't at least get to 300 tbh.

Ashraful may be Ashraful, and Shakib certainly is prone to Ashrafulesque bouts of idiocy, but Mahmudullah's a good player and Mushfiq has turned himsel into a genuinely world class batsman IMO. Averages 42 or so in his last 10 tests, which is excellent for someone who comes in at number 7 in an awful team.

As far as the batting goes, we're made of sterner stuff these days*

*now watch England skittle them for 250 and make me look like a twat.
 
Bangladesh going to draw this test. England can't rely on Bresnan to be one of their bowlers if they're going in with 4.

And Jaharul isn't good. He keeps getting onto the front foot for almost every ball, regardless of length.
 
Also, Trott is really good. I can't wait to see him do his ritual before every ball when they play the Aussies.
 
zing said:
And Jaharul isn't good. He keeps getting onto the front foot for almost every ball, regardless of length.
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Aye, it's a glaring flaw and if he was up against quality pace bowling he'd have copped a barage of well-directed bouncers before eventually gloving one to silly point.

Can't believe how harmless this England attack's looked today to be honest. I'm a fan of Jimmy Anderson, who's one of the best swing bowlers in the world but on days like this when he can't get it to do much he really can look a bit pedestrian.

His mate Bresnan's a good pro who'll run in all day and give it his best, but he's really not got much in his locker at this level. Bowls about two jaffas every innings and not much else of note.

Finn looks like he's got bags of potential though. Just needs to hit the pitch a bit harder I reckon. At the moment he's an old fashioned English swing bowler he pitches it up and gives it a chance to do something through the air but at 6'7 he should really be able to hit the deck hard and make it rear up off a good length.

And yes, this post will almost certainly bite me on the arse tomorrow.
 
zing said:
Also, Trott is really good. I can't wait to see him do his ritual before every ball when they play the Aussies.
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He was cringingly bad at times in Bangladesh. Couldn't hit the ball out of the square, and unsettled his partners by eating up too many balls.

Good player though, I agree. Hopefully this double ton sets him off on a good run before the Ashes as I'd like to see a competitive series.
 
Jahurul will sort himself out, I've followed him here locally, and he normally isnt a front foot no matter what type of delivery, not sure what he is compensating for in the international arena.

I know domestic cricket is rubbish, but this is technique we are talking about, I'm not sure why he is messing about.

As for the plays and misses...they are part and parcel of watching Bangladesh play...hahahahahah

Finn is only 20, he needs to fill out and gain a bit of strength, and then the extra bit of pace, bounce and his natural swing will make him a real handful.

I was wondering if we in bangladesh should go down the English route, get players from other countries and get them to play for us....

I mean bangladesh didnt play too badly against England in the 1st innings, but Suoth Africa aka Jonathan Trott screwed us over.

He, Pietersen, Morgan, in the ODIs Kietswetter...all the best batsmen are non english.

We need some imports.
 
Funny you should bring it up, because I was just mentioning to my Dad the other day how we should naturalise Afghanistan's two pace bowlers.

Don't know if you watched them, but Hamid Hassan's comfortably in the 140kph+ range and gets wonderful movement both off the seam as well as through the air, and has been tormenting the Associate sides. The Aussie bloke who coached them briefly described him as someone who'd 'walk into almost any test side in the world', and from the brief snippet I saw he definitely looked the part.

They've also got another left armer who's about 6'5 and easily the most muscular, solidly built cricketer I've ever seen in my life and he was easily bowling in the 140kph+ range as well.

Obviously it'd never happen, but there's a shedload of money to be made playing cricket in Bangladesh if you combine the salaries from Dhaka League, PCL and the NCL with central contracts, sponsorships and bonuses. They'd be far richer men if they took up Bangladeshi citizenship, and given the state of our 'pace' attack, we'd be a far better team for their being in it.
 
Melbourne Red said:
Funny you should bring it up, because I was just mentioning to my Dad the other day how we should naturalise Afghanistan's two pace bowlers.

Don't know if you watched them, but Hamid Hassan's comfortably in the 140kph+ range and gets wonderful movement both off the seam as well as through the air, and has been tormenting the Associate sides. The Aussie bloke who coached them briefly described him as someone who'd 'walk into almost any test side in the world', and from the brief snippet I saw he definitely looked the part.

They've also got another left armer who's about 6'5 and easily the most muscular, solidly built cricketer I've ever seen in my life and he was easily bowling in the 140kph+ range as well.

Obviously it'd never happen, but there's a shedload of money to be made playing cricket in Bangladesh if you combine the salaries from Dhaka League, PCL and the NCL with central contracts, sponsorships and bonuses. They'd be far richer men if they took up Bangladeshi citizenship, and given the state of our 'pace' attack, we'd be a far better team for their being in it.
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Bangladeshis getting screwed by genetics AGAIN.

Pakistanis have big Pathans to help them out, India covers such a vast area, and has so many ethnicities, they get a bit of variety...we unfortunately are all the freaking same.

everyone is 5 feet 4 inches tall, and no naturally big strong strapping lads....

Yeah I saw the Afghanis...again mountainous people, big strong mofos...We really should go after them...hell i'll let them have rent free apartments...my bit for the nation, and giving back...etc etc.
 
Melbourne Red said:
He was cringingly bad at times in Bangladesh. Couldn't hit the ball out of the square, and unsettled his partners by eating up too many balls.

Good player though, I agree. Hopefully this double ton sets him off on a good run before the Ashes as I'd like to see a competitive series.
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I didn't see him in Bangladesh. The first time I saw him play a full innings was the first test against SA and he looked absolutely comfortable. He looks ridiculously unruffled, regardless of what's happening around him.

I think this is going to be the most competitive Ashes since the 2005 one. England have a genuinely quality side if they get the composition right, i.e., no Bresnan.

Strauss, Cook, Trott, KP, Collingwood, Bell, Prior, Swann, Broad, Anderson, Onions.

Will be interesting to see how this Morgan experiment pans out.


Melbourne Red said:
Finn looks like he's got bags of potential though. Just needs to hit the pitch a bit harder I reckon. At the moment he's an old fashioned English swing bowler he pitches it up and gives it a chance to do something through the air but at 6'7 he should really be able to hit the deck hard and make it rear up off a good length.

And yes, this post will almost certainly bite me on the arse tomorrow.
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I got slightly depressed when they said he's 21. I'm 21 too :|
But yea, agreed. He looks like he's going to be a good bowler.
 
Anderson's lack of matches of late was evident. Looked very rusty. Bresnan was often predictable and that's why the ball kept going to the fence. We need to bowl them out before tea tomorrow.
 
Melbourne Red said:
For all the improvement our batsmen have shown, I reckon just about every single one of them except Mushfiq is clueless against quality swing bowling so I fully expect wickets to tumble tomorrow.
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Which player is it who's signed with Worcestershire, ideally you need more of your players playing in England to learn ways to counter good swing bowling
 
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Bangladeshis getting screwed by genetics AGAIN.
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That's sad but true. India suffers from the same problem, having said that Sikhs from the North are generally well built but they've still not produced a genuine quicky- which surprises me. But it's not all about size though, Marshall wasn't the biggest bloke in the world. . .but he had a very fast arm action. If anything size can slow you down. I'm well built but can't get my arm over fast enough which causes me to blow at 25mph. So, it's not all about strength. Pakistan's quickies have generally been stocky, Akhtar, Younis and co were weren't the tallest but they were built like brick houses. But genetics do play a huge part, I guess.
 
I hope the penny drops soon that Tim Bresnan is not an international class bowler at Test level, the odd great ball aside he offers little and hes certainly never a new ball bowler, hes not quick and his lengths always the same and terribly predictable…. hes just average, good county bowler but not a test match bowler, hes a tier but that’s not going to be good enough in the Ashes in flat pitches against world class batsmen the aussies have.

Its a shame Onions is having all these injury problems as i really rate him, very clever bowler just hope these injuries dont feck up his year, id also prefer Sidebottom to Bresnan in the test side, Finn looks a good prospect but i think the Ashes will come to soon for him.

Our attack looked very blunt today for a combination of reasons, flat pitch, good batting, rustiness from our best seamer Anderson, the predictability of Bresnan and a young lad settling in….far from our best attack and it shows.
 
Sultan said:
You forgot Strauss.

I'd say Morgan would qualify as home grown.
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Sults didn't include Strauss because, though he is South African born, he never actually played any cricket there...left when he was 6, partially educated in Australia, and played some junior cricket there, but he is a fair enough captain for England.

Durham uni, Middlesex then England.

I put Morgan in there because, his poor country is trying to find its feet in the international scene, and someone like him definitely would have won them a few matches...so yeah

Eion Morgan :nono:
 
Allforone said:
Wasnt Strauss a New Zealander? could swear when he made his debut at Lords against the Kiwis it was said he was playing against the country of his birth?
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nope most definitely not. Born in South Africa, left at 6, came to England, then went to Australia for a few years, but then came back to England long before going to college and university.
 
Allforone said:
I hope the penny drops soon that Tim Bresnan is not an international class bowler at Test level, the odd great ball aside he offers little and hes certainly never a new ball bowler, hes not quick and his lengths always the same and terribly predictable…. hes just average, good county bowler but not a test match bowler, hes a tier but that’s not going to be good enough in the Ashes in flat pitches against world class batsmen the aussies have.

Its a shame Onions is having all these injury problems as i really rate him, very clever bowler just hope these injuries dont feck up his year, id also prefer Sidebottom to Bresnan in the test side, Finn looks a good prospect but i think the Ashes will come to soon for him.

Our attack looked very blunt today for a combination of reasons, flat pitch, good batting, rustiness from our best seamer Anderson, the predictability of Bresnan and a young lad settling in….far from our best attack and it shows.
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I don't know why but I dislike Bresnan a lot.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
That's sad but true. India suffers from the same problem, having said that Sikhs from the North are generally well built but they've still not produced a genuine quicky- which surprises me. But it's not all about size though, Marshall wasn't the biggest bloke in the world. . .but he had a very fast arm action. If anything size can slow you down. I'm well built but can't get my arm over fast enough which causes me to blow at 25mph. So, it's not all about strength. Pakistan's quickies have generally been stocky, Akhtar, Younis and co were weren't the tallest but they were built like brick houses. But genetics do play a huge part, I guess.
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Being built like a tank is actually a hindrance to bowling fast and academies go out of their way to stop the quick bowlers building bulk muscle. The ideal fast bowler's build is lanky and lean.

The strength training they do is devoted to building trunk and core strength, as well as developing fast twitch muscle fibres using the sort of weight programs that elite sprinters use. Every good quick bowler is likely to also be a superb sprinter.

If we can ascribe particular genetic traits to particular ethnicities, then I'd say the phenomonon of Pathans/Punjabis (or Afro-Carribeans for that matter) being great fast bowlers has far more to do with their having the right fast twitch muscle fibres than it does to do with their being well-built. And it's probably a lack of fast twitch muscle fibre that costs Bengalis- our best sprinters tend to run the 100m in 11+ seconds which is a pathetic record at the elite level.

On that note, Bangladesh has a bloke called Shafiul Islam who's about 5'6 and 60kg ringing wet and he regularly hits 140kph. You'll hopefully see him in the next test. I could probably pick him up and throw him against a wall if I wanted, but his quickest delivery would be roughly 45kph quicker than mine.
 
Melbourne Red said:
On that note, Bangladesh has a bloke called Shafiul Islam who's about 5'6 and 60kg ringing wet and he regularly hits 140kph. You'll hopefully see him in the next test. I could probably pick him up and throw him against a wall if I wanted, but his quickest delivery would be roughly 45kph quicker than mine.
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I was sure Shafiul was going to play in this match.

He has looked good everytime I've seen him, he can be a bit expensive at times, but test match cricket is all about wickets, and Shafiul has a bit of pace, swing, and can bowl a yorker.

All of which makes him amazing as far as Bangladeshi bowlers are concerned, not to mention, he has the ability to understand and execute a plan!

Instead we went with Rubel and Robiul :(
 
Shafiul will be in for Robiul in the next one and we'll be much, much better for it. He'll do very nicely in English conditions.
 
Melbourne Red said:
Being built like a tank is actually a hindrance to bowling fast and academies go out of their way to stop the quick bowlers building bulk muscle. The ideal fast bowler's build is lanky and lean.

The strength training they do is devoted to building trunk and core strength, as well as developing fast twitch muscle fibres using the sort of weight programs that elite sprinters use. Every good quick bowler is likely to also be a superb sprinter.

If we can ascribe particular genetic traits to particular ethnicities, then I'd say the phenomonon of Pathans/Punjabis (or Afro-Carribeans for that matter)being great fast bowlers has far more to do with their having the right fast twitch muscle fibres than it does to do with their being well-built. And it's probably a lack of fast twitch muscle fibre that costs Bengalis- our best sprinters tend to run the 100m in 11+ seconds which is a pathetic record at the elite level.

On that note, Bangladesh has a bloke called Shafiul Islam who's about 5'6 and 60kg ringing wet and he regularly hits 140kph. You'll hopefully see him in the next test. I could probably pick him up and throw him against a wall if I wanted, but his quickest delivery would be roughly 45kph quicker than mine.
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I think it depends on your bowling action. The Pakistan fast bowlers except for Wasim Akram and Sami didn't have fast arm actions, they had strong side way actions - which require a lot strength, especially upper body and thighs(although too much mass on the arms can't be helpful). Sami's definitely a surprise he's slim and not particularly tall yet can generate lightening pace - he's clearly got a fast arm action. If he put mass on it'd slow him down, yet it didn't do any harm to Akhtar in fact he got faster. Darren Gough's another bowler who could bowl quick and he had a very well built physique - but he had very similar action to Younis. I'd say the Aussies have a couple of very well built fast bowlers - but they've also got height - Much like the Windian quicks of the past. Having said that Bangladesh had a decent fast bowler who could bowl over 140kmph. What was his name?
 
Mashrafe Mortaza. Should be a world class bowler with 150 test wickets by now, but he's had a couple of knee reconstructions, stress fractures in his back among a whole host of other niggles and he's a shadow of his former self now. Bowls 128-132kph most days.
 
Yeah, I liked the look of him. Shame really. Humans aren't exactly built to hurl cricket balls at 90mph, I guess.
 
Looking at these dismissals, we've had some horrid luck with Junaied getting an edge while attempting a leave and Ashraful copping a poor decision. Although to be fair, we've also offered up plenty of near misses.
 
Super delivery from Finn there. We'll be all out for 260 I reckon.
 
So did any of you have the good fortune to catch that Tamim Iqbal hundred?

One of the finest centuries you'll ever see.
 
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