England will come back.. THey have to! There's no way they can win in India and lose to New Zealand!! I'd be pissed if we (India) lose to them and now they go on a shit run
England v New Zealand 2013 Cricket
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We'll draw this test and win the series 2-0.
We always start shit.
We always start shit.
Well NZ's fast bowling attack is much better than ours. Won't be surprised to see them do well on that kind of pitches.
What odds on a Cook double?
Pretty low.
That has to be one of the performances by any England test side ever. They're much better than that. They deserve a good kick up their arses.
England have apparently in the last 13 first games of a series away, lost 10..
Ok he might make me eat my words in this match, but how does Stuart Broad keeps getting selected in this team?
Hasn't he been out of form for a long time?
Does his allround skills keep him in the team?
Hasn't he been out of form for a long time?
Does his allround skills keep him in the team?
Friends in high places in the England setup IMO.
Out of form with the ball since a few decent spells in the series at home to India, and has barely scored a run since averaging 30-odd early in his career.
Should be currently nowhere near the side, and needs a prolonged spell re-evaluating his game in county cricket.
Hopefully Tremlett can regain his fitness and take his place ASAP.
They were given a ten day break before this series started.
Bizarre decision, when half the top order has barely hit a ball since the end of the India series.
That sort of sequence of results is not a freak over that long a period, and with a side with this much quality.
Thought that only happened in India!
Tremlett has been injured for a long time, so don't think it'd be easy to come back to test cricket properly. He might also lose his pace, if not managed properly.
What about Graham Onions?
There must be better pace bowlers than Stuart Broad in England!
His all-round skills definitely help him.
Chris Woakes is the ready made replacement, as he can bat at 8 too - but i don't think he's good enough.
Onions is a handy option, but i think Meaker is more likely to get the nod in the home series against NZ if Broad doesn't find form on this tour.
Broad's class, IMO. Bowled superbly against Pakistan in UAE.
Went off the boil in the home summer and seems to be playing with a niggle ever since.
I think a lot of fans dislike him because he seems like a posh twat, born with a silver spoon.
If he's bowling in the lower 140s or so like he usually does, he can be lethal.
Went off the boil in the home summer and seems to be playing with a niggle ever since.
I think a lot of fans dislike him because he seems like a posh twat, born with a silver spoon.
If he's bowling in the lower 140s or so like he usually does, he can be lethal.
Yeah he's definitely a twat.
He should not be in the side if he can't bowl at peak fitness - that would only highlight the fondness selectors have for him over others.
You're right, the fact he comes across as a stuck up public school boy doesn't help endear him - but he could shut that criticism up by playing remotely well, which he hasn't for far too long now.
Onions doesn't get picked because he's a shitter version of Anderson. An attack of Anderson and Onions would be too samey. Also he's in woeful form.
Tremlett is a loss but he's almost 30 now and with his injuries I'd say he won't return the same.
Tremlett is a loss but he's almost 30 now and with his injuries I'd say he won't return the same.
what?
Onions is nothing like Anderson. There are very few bowlers like Anderson in world cricket.
Onions is line and length, stump to stump. Like Hilfenhaus.
Onions is not a shitter version of Anderson. If Onions was 5-8 years older he would easily have 50+ Test caps, but he's 31 now and his ship has sadly sailed I think. Also Broad outbowled him by an absolute miles in the warm-up.
Shahzad was around the team for a while but then lost his place and threw a big strop about it and hasn't been seen since. Tremlett is made of biscuits, Bresnan also has a chronic injury and hasn't been good enough since he had an op on his elbow (I think in 2011). Woakes is a promising all-rounder but his bowling isn't international class right now as he struggles to really get much above 80 mph, and it's just not enough. Dernbach is a) seen as a limited overs bowler and b) shite. Meaker has has a chance or two so far but has been a little wayward and hasn't REALLY grabbed the attention yet. Harris is a talented all-rounder too but I think he's inferior to Woakes both with bat and ball personally.
In short, we have lots of good bowlers but Broad is the best of them. Btw, his injury is a 'lacerated fat pad on his heel' which apparently may never heal, and to manage it may be the best England can hope for. It's sad because I do feel like there's an excellent cricketer trying to get out, as there was with Flintoff for so long, but with his situation I wonder if he'll ever truly fulfill that potential.
Shahzad was around the team for a while but then lost his place and threw a big strop about it and hasn't been seen since. Tremlett is made of biscuits, Bresnan also has a chronic injury and hasn't been good enough since he had an op on his elbow (I think in 2011). Woakes is a promising all-rounder but his bowling isn't international class right now as he struggles to really get much above 80 mph, and it's just not enough. Dernbach is a) seen as a limited overs bowler and b) shite. Meaker has has a chance or two so far but has been a little wayward and hasn't REALLY grabbed the attention yet. Harris is a talented all-rounder too but I think he's inferior to Woakes both with bat and ball personally.
In short, we have lots of good bowlers but Broad is the best of them. Btw, his injury is a 'lacerated fat pad on his heel' which apparently may never heal, and to manage it may be the best England can hope for. It's sad because I do feel like there's an excellent cricketer trying to get out, as there was with Flintoff for so long, but with his situation I wonder if he'll ever truly fulfill that potential.
This is desperate.
Absolutely nothing in the pitch, puts into context just how badly England batted yesterday.
Absolutely nothing in the pitch, puts into context just how badly England batted yesterday.
Rutherford! Century on debut! Well played son!
Glorious coverdrive to bring it up.
Could someone PM a couple of streams as I am at work, shit computer so if you could send me a few links I would appreciate it. Thank You.
What do you reckon, 600-700 on the cards for New Zealand then a day and a half to hope England collapse again?
feck me this new guy looks good. (We are crap TBF)
No way will NZ reach 700 
450-500 should be more than enough for them considering it's effectively a 4 day game now.
450-500 should be more than enough for them considering it's effectively a 4 day game now.
Superb innings from Rutherford.
NZ need at least a 250-300 run lead to get a positive result.
NZ need at least a 250-300 run lead to get a positive result.
Looks like rain could save us.
Great day for NZ. I'm expecting them to bat the first session tomorrow with McCullum hopefully going apeshit and giving England a lead of around 350.
Shame that so much time is being lost due to rain, England might just get lucky here.
I doubt it, it's not due to rain in Dunedin tomorrow or Sunday (albeit they might lose a small amount due to light), and hopefully it won't, if they can't bat their way out of trouble ala the first test in Australia 2010, they deserve to lose.
That the tale enders are continuing to score runs is at least showing its not a difficult pitch at all to bat on, so there should be no excuses at all for another collapse tomorrow. That said, the bowling hasn't been up too much either, Anderson aside who must be sick of being the only consistent pace bowler we have.
This has been poor from England so far but this will be a different type of test in saving the match and this is something which they need to do and show that they can. The pitch still seems good so take away the poor shots from the first innings and hopefully they can bat the 4-5 sessions and save the match.
I think it's unfair to say the bowling has been poor - Broad in particular has been very unlucky and has bowled some absolute jaffas. In fact his second ball to Rutherford yesterday was edged right into the hands of second slip, there was just no second slip in at the time 
If NZ can get 400+ so can we.
Can't we?
I wish the football streams were as straightforward as the cricket ones.
Can't we?
I wish the football streams were as straightforward as the cricket ones.
In theory England would almost be expecting to get 350-400 on this pitch against this respectable but hardly terrifying NZ attack, in normal circumstances at least. With scoreboard pressure and the prospect of having to bat out time, and the weather situation looking ideal for swing bowling over the next 2 days, the reality will almost certainly prove different.
Pitch is not great in all honesty, just too flat. England with the second highest ever opening partnership vs New Zealand now and counting. Taking the win slowly out of the equation ball by ball, looking more and more like a draw.
Excellent from the openers, Cook with another century.
This pitch is very flat. If England didn't play stupid shots in the first innings they may have been in with a chance of winning.
This pitch is very flat. If England didn't play stupid shots in the first innings they may have been in with a chance of winning.
In fairness there was a little bit in it on the first morning, but no way was it a 167 all out pitch. You just can't have a good Test match on a wicket like this, it's a pity.
Reckon Compton has bought himself time till atleast the home series against NZ.
New opening partnership record vs New Zealand for England and the 8th highest opening partnership ever for England too. Cook will be gutted I'm sure but it was a brilliant job from him.