DONADO said:
No worry. Freddie will save the day.
He always does.
No worry. Freddie will save the day.
He always does.
Red-Indian said:
True.
Dhoni should be executed.
Given all the England are shite, we're going to slaughter you I had to endure while there last week the gloating e-mails I've just sent out are all the sweeter. I don't know what the Indians had for lunch but the crumble for dessert should have stayed in the pavillion rather than bringing it out onto the pitch.
Sweet
Sweet
Sultan said:
Hmm...forgot Dhoni was in there. He could possibly be given a conditional pardon if he promises to hit 3856 sixes off the fat non-spinner in the one-dayers.
Fecking rubbish.
Although it pains me to say this England were the better team over the entire series. Shit performance by our lads.
Although it pains me to say this England were the better team over the entire series. Shit performance by our lads.
No they weren't.They were at par which is ridiculous considering they were under strength and we had idiots like Yuvraj.Our famed batting went up in smoke six times in this series.Stupid feckers.The only consistent one was Dravid and Pathan and Kumble probably deserve a promotion.crappycraperson said:
I'll just propose the following lineup for WI.
Sehwag
Gambhir/Jaffer
Dravid
Kaif/Tendulkar
Laxman/Yuvraj/Ganguly
Dhoni
Pathan
Sreesanth/VRV
Kumble
Munaf
RP Singh
Well played England, credit where its due.
But i must say i havent seen a worse Indian batting performance over the course of a test series, than this. Barring Dravid and maybe Jaffer, the rest need to take a look at themselves, because TBH this is unacceptable. An Indian team not scoring above 400 in 3 test matches at home is unheard of. Sachin's going through a rough patch, thats been spoken about too much. Sehwag needs to take some responsibility, he seems to be the one person in the team who, barring a couple of quick knocks here and there, can contribute little and still get no critisism. The excuse is always 'he has to play his natural game'. Well its costing us up the order. But in general, cant blame our batsman too much, they'v over the years been brilliant for us and hopefully this series is just blip and a wake up call in the long run.
But all in all the better team won. Two very well matched teams and i really wish this was a 5 test series, would have been cracking stuff. England needed to avoid losing here and after the poor performances in Pakistan and although over these two tours to the India and Pakistan they havent come out so far winning anything, they have proved that they are better equipped than previous English sides to tour the sub continent.
We on the other hand, have a different dillemma. A year back, we were an excellent test team, only behind Australia. And we were struggling in One dayers. Now when were on an amazing run in ODI's, our test form has fallen. Greg and Dravid will need to look at this. Consistancy in both forms is crutial if want to make that step up. But overall quite a lot of positives for both sides, and a fair result.
But i must say i havent seen a worse Indian batting performance over the course of a test series, than this. Barring Dravid and maybe Jaffer, the rest need to take a look at themselves, because TBH this is unacceptable. An Indian team not scoring above 400 in 3 test matches at home is unheard of. Sachin's going through a rough patch, thats been spoken about too much. Sehwag needs to take some responsibility, he seems to be the one person in the team who, barring a couple of quick knocks here and there, can contribute little and still get no critisism. The excuse is always 'he has to play his natural game'. Well its costing us up the order. But in general, cant blame our batsman too much, they'v over the years been brilliant for us and hopefully this series is just blip and a wake up call in the long run.
But all in all the better team won. Two very well matched teams and i really wish this was a 5 test series, would have been cracking stuff. England needed to avoid losing here and after the poor performances in Pakistan and although over these two tours to the India and Pakistan they havent come out so far winning anything, they have proved that they are better equipped than previous English sides to tour the sub continent.
We on the other hand, have a different dillemma. A year back, we were an excellent test team, only behind Australia. And we were struggling in One dayers. Now when were on an amazing run in ODI's, our test form has fallen. Greg and Dravid will need to look at this. Consistancy in both forms is crutial if want to make that step up. But overall quite a lot of positives for both sides, and a fair result.
One area where we need to work is the mangerial or coaching work thats being done. England seem to be ahead in that department. Their planning for each batmsan, his strength, weaknesses, seems to be better.DONADO said:
In our batting line up, Sehwag is far too often getting out to a) short balls or b) the uppish cover drive. Jaffer has a tendancy to just plunge his foot forwards down the line of the ball, and because of this he commits himself too early. I still like him better than Gambhir, and the West Indian pitches should suit him. Sachin needs to bat agressively, thats all, he needs to be given the liscence to play freely, and he'l be fine. Apart from that, bring Laxman back, his experience is crutial, the man keeps gettin a raw deal, and he's a fine slip catcher as well. I really wish Ganguly could be included in the test side, IMO he still deserves a place, the man was improving with every knock in his comeback, till he got shown the door. Thought he was batting very well in his last few knocks in the team. And then Dhoni and Pathan, they cant really be critisized, the top order hasnt functioned for once, and for new comers so far they've handled whatever pressure they've been under. But id like for them to form the backbone of our lower order. Sending Pathan or Dhoni up the order just ruins the whole balance. I doubt its a big worry, our batting, but i hate it when glaring mistakes are repeated again and again, thats what pisses me off more than anything. So i hope some of this is adressed.
DONADO said:
Yes we were, you were poor really. We had a hugely under strength side and you should have at least won 2 of three, as it is we were the better side in the first test, messed up the second and hammered you in the last.
You're shit.
Considering we were missing 5 players in this test i'm well happy with the result.
Knighthoods all round.
feck off. This is the worst we are going to bat and still you couldnt win the series. You're trips to the sub-continent have resulted so far in getting battered by Pakistan in the tests and ODI's and managing to level the tests here. Best team in the world? No fecking way.Nate said:
amolbhatia100 said:
Graciousness in defeat...
Pathetic...
England Reserves > India
Read my posts previous to that one.Slabber said:
amolbhatia100 said:
You come to England with half you team missing and lets see how well you do
Chill out. That was only in reply of nate's post. In my previous ones iv said all i had to say about this series and gave England the credit they deserved.Looking Busy said:
amolbhatia100 said:
You're shit.
Where's your hero now?
fecking total shite your lot.
England B > India
Pakistan are a far better side.
amolbhatia100 said:
I don't think India are as good as you've claimed in the past. You've drawn at home to England, if you're honest you'll admit you were second best, against a depleted England side. You've also just lost to Pakistan away, and drew with them at home. Plus you've recently lost to Australia as well, haven't you? Whereas, we've beaten Australia at home, South Africa away, WIndies away, drawn away to India and lost to Pakistan. I think that's a cracking record. The Pakistan series will be interesting. I think, it's going to be a 4 Test Match series. Which will probably decide which side's he second best team in the world. (although to be fair they leathered us in Pakistan)
We're not best in the world. That's still Australia. But there's no reason why we can't get there.
Spoony said:
Thats far too rational and truthful for Amol to comprehend.
If we beat Pakistan at home, and the Convicts in RolfHarrisland, I think it'll be fair to call England the best side in Test cricket.
A couple of ifs, but would you bet against England to do it? I wouldn't.
A couple of ifs, but would you bet against England to do it? I wouldn't.
Spoony said:
I wouldn't bet on England winning in Australia.
I bet they'll be without McGrath and Warne.
Spoony said:
We'll probably be without everyone, except Udal.
Udal is a great spinner. Even better than Monty.
Udal > Monty > Blackwell > Kumble > Harbajan
ahaahaha i told you all, england would win or draw the series and people kept saying i dont know shit, makes me laugh..........india are a decent team at best, they aint shit outside the subcontinent and they aint even that good their being second in the series to england reserves!hahaha, but lets be honest for a second, their a very good one day team...but thez got no heart, bowling is wank, batters got no heart, shit team
Slabber said:
lmao
udal=legend
Spoony said:
england are a class team mate, they started impressive in pakistan also, its juse pakistan can get out of trouble with their bowling and all rounders who dont know how to block
Nate said:
england>pakistan under 19>india under 19>india national team
You're an idiot.UNITED_OG said:
It'll be interesting to see how many wickets the Indian pacers took as oppsed to the English ones...
Your batting is a big big problem for you.
You ran into a demoralised team on the last day.We had no plans, no apparent intent or ambition to even try for the target and we played into your hands.Udal is wank, like all of your spinners in the last 30 years.
Winning against us in Bombay doesn't make you the champion side that you proclaim yourself to be.Anderson would not even be playing if it weren't for Mr Jones, who like an idiot came here a month before the series was to begin and knocked hiimself out.
Hoggard, and maybe Anderson, are the only decent bowlers you have.Your batting is terrible, Bell doesn't deserve a place in tat team, neither does Jones, Collingwood is at best a bits and peices cricketer and Pietersen is too impulsive, although he seems very good.
You have just drawn a series in India you piece of shit. Just looking back at highlights of how you're lot were celebrating, you would think they had just won the world cup, which ofcourse you will never.Nate said:
Spoony said:
Let me get it clear. IMO India, England and Pakistan are battling it out for that second place. Pakistan for me are the weakest, suddenly just because they battered you on their home soild, you seem to think they are stronger than us. What have Pakistan done in recent times apart from these two wins on HOME SOIL?? They have been utter rubbish, they'v managed to do zero away from home, apart from one drawn series in India.
For me, India and England are the stronger of the three. England were probably just leading the pack, but then had an awful tour of Pakistan where they lost everything. So there really isnt much to pick. England have victories in SA, Pakistan, drawn series here and a home win against he Aussies. We have won in Pakistan, beaten the aussies here a couple of times, drawn in England and drawn against Australia AWAY. So IMO there isnt all that much to choose. And in ODI's we'v been better, we just battered Pakistan and Sri Lanka. We'v performed better in the big tournaments. I cant remember England winning anything really meaningful with more than 2 countries involved, in one dayers. Whereas we got to two Champions trophy finals, sharing the trophy once, won the Natwest in England(im sure you remember), got to the world cup final. And we HAVE won the world cup, which England havent.
Now please read all of that and give you're ubiased view. Unlike some other cricket 'experts' here, i actually value you're opinion.
His opinion will be to rubbish your ODI claim, because ODI's are only fun when two team score above 400 and they can cream themselves over the 'brilliant batting' .
His opinion will also centre around something close to this
Monty>Pakistan>India
He will further talk about the Ashes and will no doubt write to the bbc to make them write to the Queen for knighthoods for all the English players.
Then he'll talk some serious stuff.
Actually if you ask me, I think England vs Aussies in Ozland will be a cracker of a tour and will probably determine the standings.
We'll get beat by the Windies.
Then its back to Lara>Tendulkar or Sarwan>Dravid.
His opinion will also centre around something close to this
Monty>Pakistan>India
He will further talk about the Ashes and will no doubt write to the bbc to make them write to the Queen for knighthoods for all the English players.
Then he'll talk some serious stuff.
Actually if you ask me, I think England vs Aussies in Ozland will be a cracker of a tour and will probably determine the standings.
We'll get beat by the Windies.
Then its back to Lara>Tendulkar or Sarwan>Dravid.
DONADO said:His opinion will be to rubbish your ODI claim, because ODI's are only fun when two team score above 400 and they can cream themselves over the 'brilliant batting' .
His opinion will also centre around something close to this
Monty>Pakistan>India
He will further talk about the Ashes and will no doubt write to the bbc to make them write to the Queen for knighthoods for all the English players.
Then he'll talk some serious stuff.
Actually if you ask me, I think England vs Aussies in Ozland will be a cracker of a tour and will probably determine the standings.
We'll get beat by the Windies.
Then its back to Lara>Tendulkar or Sarwan>Dravid.
I'l give him the benifit of doubt on this one. In the football forum he seems to make some sense. I think its the Slabbereffect.
amolbhatia100 said:
That's not over an 18 month period, though. We beat Pakistan under Nasser, but I'd hardly say that's a recent victory, nor is Pakistan's draw in 2000 regarded as a recent result. I think Pakistan are a better side than India. Like, I said, they beat us and you. While drawing away in India, only recently. I think they've had a couple of other decent results away from home as well. They look a much better outfit under in Woolmer. But from what I've seen of India. . . and as their recent results have proved, they're not as good as you think. Sachin is coming to the end of his career, a player whom I think, is virtually impossible to replace. I like the look of Dhoni, overlooking his pathetic dismissal today. Munaf's another player, I like. . . he has good potential, without doubt. The other seamers you've got are very average. Your best spinner hasn't got much left in the tank as well. I can see India struggling over the next couple of years. I think your team peaked when you went Down Under and got an excellent draw. In fact, I'd say that draw was India's moral victory. I'll glady be proved wrong, if India turn it around over the next few months. But I think you've got some chopping and changing to do. I swear that's my honest opinion. But yes, after Australia. . .England, Pakistan and India are the next best teams. England, I think has the potential to be the best in the world. Not sure about Pakistan, we'll just see how they'll play in England, although we've not beaten them in England for 24 years, and even that series, I thought they were the better team. We'll just see how they keep perfoming under Bob Woolmer. India - I've mentione above. . .a bit of rebuilding is needed.
amolbhatia100 said:
I'l give him the benifit of doubt on this one. In the football forum he seems to make some sense. I think its the Slabbereffect.
Benefit.
I make more sense than you have ever have done.
And you know it.
amolbhatia100 said:
You lost in Pakistan.
Flintoff=Class. He's done extremely well. Went there today, great atmosphere. We ridiculed your lot, still in the end it was all in great spirit. You'd be surprised maybe to know that there was FCUoM banners in there, along with the Blue biter ones, Sunderland, Villa, Palace, etc. Later met a United fan who had 2 Scouse mates as he was couldn't give the cabbie the right directions to his hotel and asked for our help.
Chatted with a Scouser who was uncannily a top lad. Had me United shirt on whilst having MUST and Shareholdersunited.org link written in them.
Great day!
Chatted with a Scouser who was uncannily a top lad. Had me United shirt on whilst having MUST and Shareholdersunited.org link written in them.
Great day!
I actually agree with Spoony's analysis except about the Pakistan bit. They always blow hot and cold. I would wait another year to see if they have really turned the corner and become consistant for once.
We are indeed in a bit of trouble. Harbhajan has forgotten how to bowl, we need to give some young spinners a chance, other than uneven pitches in Indian Kumble isn't going to do much.
If Sachin doesn't return to his best or even half best, our batting would start looking weak as well. Kaif and Yuvraj are not world class batsman yet, which leaves only Dravid and Sehwag who has oddly been given the license to throw away his wicket every time because: "that's how he plays".
Pathan needs to forget about batting, his bowling is going downhill. I certianly hope, he is not another Nehra or Zaheer. IMO our focus should be on:
Unearthing one or even two class spinners( Drop Bhajji, not just for one series, 6 months. Get him to perform his best at ranji level atleast)
Getting a bowling coach to see for once we could develop class fast bowlers out of Pathan, Munaf and Sreesanth
I don't think Sehwag should open either. All that accomodating players thing is shit. Get two proper openers, I still think Ghambir could be the man.
We are indeed in a bit of trouble. Harbhajan has forgotten how to bowl, we need to give some young spinners a chance, other than uneven pitches in Indian Kumble isn't going to do much.
If Sachin doesn't return to his best or even half best, our batting would start looking weak as well. Kaif and Yuvraj are not world class batsman yet, which leaves only Dravid and Sehwag who has oddly been given the license to throw away his wicket every time because: "that's how he plays".
Pathan needs to forget about batting, his bowling is going downhill. I certianly hope, he is not another Nehra or Zaheer. IMO our focus should be on:
Unearthing one or even two class spinners( Drop Bhajji, not just for one series, 6 months. Get him to perform his best at ranji level atleast)
Getting a bowling coach to see for once we could develop class fast bowlers out of Pathan, Munaf and Sreesanth
I don't think Sehwag should open either. All that accomodating players thing is shit. Get two proper openers, I still think Ghambir could be the man.
Ermm Ok! Not on this forum you dont.Spoony said:
Just read that post and reply to it rather than pointing out spelling mistakes.