It wouldn't have taken much to avoid this defeat. Just being able to bat out another session. Vaughan or Trescothick could have made the difference.
Agreed.Dowders_Jnr said:
I thought he was class in 2002 against us.As was Dravid against you.Difference is, Dravid has had the added pressure of keeping in the ODI's and now captaincy and yet he seems to thrive in it.His record is phenomenal.His 95 was absolute class.Played the pacers brilliantly.
The ODI's are going to be shite now...and there're 7 of them.
All teams are going to aim for 400 now.
Slabber said:
Its true they might've made some difference. But it takes more than this England team have (even at full strength) to win in India. Just look at what happened to in Pakistan.
Spoony said:
DONADO said:Agreed.
I thought he was class in 2002 against us.As was Dravid against you.Difference is, Dravid has had the added pressure of keeping in the ODI's and now captaincy and yet he seems to thrive in it.His record is phenomenal.His 95 was absolute class.Played the pacers brilliantly.
The ODI's are going to be shite now...and there're 7 of them.
All teams are going to aim for 400 now.
7!! fecking hell I didn't know that. We should've squeezed in another test and made it 5.
These one-dayers are getting seriously annoying. That triangular in which the Ozzies, Lankans and Springboks were playing last month literally seemed to go on forever. I lost track for a couple of weeks and when I took an interest again, they were still going on and the finals hadn't started yet.
Red-Indian said:
It's marginal. England lost the first Test in Pakistan when they should have won it.
And up until two days ago, England had had the upperhand in this series.
It's a young, inexperienced side playing in alien conditions. They've coped admirably for the most part.
They bring the crowd in.Red-Indian said:
Although I'd be a bit of a hypocrite if I say that..might be going on 28th for the Delhi one dayer.
Oh and Slabber your birthday's coming right?Happy birthday in advance you old feck.I think Dravid and co. dropped off your present earlier today.
DONADO said:Oh and Slabber your birthday's coming right?Happy birthday in advance you old feck.I think Dravid and co. dropped off your present earlier today.
Why have you been checking when my birthday is?
I remember looking at your profile once for some reason and saw you birthday was sometime in March..as is mine.So I remembered.Slabber said:
Or I could be stalking you.Take your pick.
And turn around.
Great win. Especially when it looked so unlikely. England have a lot to work on. They were getting way ahead of themselves after winning the Ashes, as indicated by the people here. I thought we somehow won this test not having batted well at all. Apart from Dravid and Jaffer no other top order batsman has come good(except Sehwag in the end). So that can only get better. But in that respect i thought Pathans innings saved us.. we were struggling at the time and it was an important knock to get us out of jail. After that the momentum just seemed to be with us, and Kumble turned it on.
England still have a decent chance of levelling the series. But they have to hope our top order bats as poorly. And again they have to win the toss.. they had the best of the pitch in these games and in India batting first against us, they really had a chance to get 400-500 runs on the board when the pitch wasnt doing anything.
Must say the pitch turned out to be a pretty good one in the end. Fast bowlers were getting movement and bounce.. spinners got grip and turn and the odd one to jump. And as a batsman if you got in, you would get runs. First two days it seemed a little dead but eventually came good.
England still have a decent chance of levelling the series. But they have to hope our top order bats as poorly. And again they have to win the toss.. they had the best of the pitch in these games and in India batting first against us, they really had a chance to get 400-500 runs on the board when the pitch wasnt doing anything.
Must say the pitch turned out to be a pretty good one in the end. Fast bowlers were getting movement and bounce.. spinners got grip and turn and the odd one to jump. And as a batsman if you got in, you would get runs. First two days it seemed a little dead but eventually came good.
its ashame so many englands players are injured really, would have been a real close contest had their been less injuries for england......actualy england have been pretty impressive for a team with key players missing
amolbhatia100 said:
Prick.
UNITED_OG said:
Agree with that to a large extent, but simultaneously, India's bowling attack wasn't their first choice! It kind of balances out..
Slabber said:
Getting all wound up now.
amolbhatia100 said:
Getting all wound up now.
No. Just pointing out that you're a prick.
India winning the Test match hasn't changed that.
paintitred said:
Indian team is at close to full strength. I'm not sure who you're refererring to when you say our bowling wasn't our first choice unless you mean we'd have preferred the real turbanator to this weak imitation we're currently being forced to play. I'm not sure what's happened to Harbhajan but he looked absolutely toothless against batsmen he should've had for lunch on a pitch like this.
Basically I agree with the fact that a full strength England would've been a real fight. I don't think they would've won it - they still need that world class 50+ average batsman and a quality spinner but what they have is quite formidable.
Red-Indian said:
Essentially the pace bowlers. Irfan was a part of the team, but some of the other pace bowlers have been out injured for awhile (I think), like Nehra and Balaji.
That said, if Trescothick and Vaughn were playing, it would've made for a far more competitive game...
Sore losers.Slabber said:
Had India lost i would have given England some credit. But that was never going to happen because you're shit.
amolbhatia100 said:
Big man.
Infact even after they have lost i still give them credit, i thought they played really well. Thats how nice i am. Obviously we were better.Slabber said:
"In fact" is two words, just like "at least" and "a lot".
Ok. Read my post in the 'greatest game..' thread.Slabber said:
FFS...
Harmison ruled out of Mumbai Test
Cricinfo staff
March 16, 2006
Monty Panesar and Matt Prior go through their exercises © Getty Images
6.55pm Steve Harmison has been ruled out of the Mumbai Test after undergoing an X-ray on his injured shin.
"There was enough in the scan to rule him out," Nasser Hussain, the former England captain, told Sky Sports. "It must have shown something fairly drastic to pull out of the Test. They're sending the scans back to England and they're taking medical advice. More will be announced tomorrow at the press conference.
"It's a massive blow to England," added Hussain. "That's five of the Ashes squad now gone. To lose Steve Harmison really exposes the England line-up when they don't need to be exposed."
It's likely that Liam Plunkett, whose place had been under threat for this match, will be the nominated replacement for Harmison, although his form was poor at Mohali and James Anderson could also come into consideration for a must-win match. Harmison is also a doubt for the seven-match one-day series which follows the final Test and starts on March 28.
10.20am England's final-Test preparations were dealt a blow when Steve Harmison was forced to miss practice after his sore shin failed to respond to treatment. He is expected to be taken to hospital later this morning for precautionary X-rays.
Harmison bowled only four overs during India's second innings at Mohali on Monday, but Duncan Fletcher, England's coach, was quick to play down reports that he was carrying an injury.
Harmison suffered from shin problems earlier in his career, and in 2000-01 he was forced to withdraw from an England A tour to the Caribbean. But he has not missed a Test for England since flying home from the tour of Bangladesh and Sri Lanka with a back problem in October 2003.
Harmison has taken 159 wickets from 41 matches, and has been a star performer for England over the past few seasons. England went into the first Test a depleted side as Michael Vaughan and Simon Jones returned home due to injury. Ashley Giles was ruled out ahead of the tour due a hip problem, and Marcus Trescothick had to fly home for personal reasons. England trail 0-1 in the three-match series.
Harmison ruled out of Mumbai Test
Cricinfo staff
March 16, 2006
Monty Panesar and Matt Prior go through their exercises © Getty Images
6.55pm Steve Harmison has been ruled out of the Mumbai Test after undergoing an X-ray on his injured shin.
"There was enough in the scan to rule him out," Nasser Hussain, the former England captain, told Sky Sports. "It must have shown something fairly drastic to pull out of the Test. They're sending the scans back to England and they're taking medical advice. More will be announced tomorrow at the press conference.
"It's a massive blow to England," added Hussain. "That's five of the Ashes squad now gone. To lose Steve Harmison really exposes the England line-up when they don't need to be exposed."
It's likely that Liam Plunkett, whose place had been under threat for this match, will be the nominated replacement for Harmison, although his form was poor at Mohali and James Anderson could also come into consideration for a must-win match. Harmison is also a doubt for the seven-match one-day series which follows the final Test and starts on March 28.
10.20am England's final-Test preparations were dealt a blow when Steve Harmison was forced to miss practice after his sore shin failed to respond to treatment. He is expected to be taken to hospital later this morning for precautionary X-rays.
Harmison bowled only four overs during India's second innings at Mohali on Monday, but Duncan Fletcher, England's coach, was quick to play down reports that he was carrying an injury.
Harmison suffered from shin problems earlier in his career, and in 2000-01 he was forced to withdraw from an England A tour to the Caribbean. But he has not missed a Test for England since flying home from the tour of Bangladesh and Sri Lanka with a back problem in October 2003.
Harmison has taken 159 wickets from 41 matches, and has been a star performer for England over the past few seasons. England went into the first Test a depleted side as Michael Vaughan and Simon Jones returned home due to injury. Ashley Giles was ruled out ahead of the tour due a hip problem, and Marcus Trescothick had to fly home for personal reasons. England trail 0-1 in the three-match series.
It's obvious who's done it(injured him).
The Indians.
The Indians.
This is really ripping the piss.... I suppose I'd go with Anderson. Shame Tremlett isn't fit, I reckon he'd get a match out there.
Dowders_Jnr said:
They'll probably go with Plunkett and an extra spinner.
My problem with opting for Plunkett is that he really didn't do himself any justice in Mohali, and I'm just worried that the extra workload he's going to have in Harmison's absence (extra spinner or no), a bad performance could really wreck his confidence long-term.
But Anderson is rubbish, it's not like there is much choice, he needs to step up.
That's that then.
The Indians will call it a great victory despite us missing 5 main players.
cnuts.
The Indians will call it a great victory despite us missing 5 main players.
cnuts.
It would be a great victory if we win the series. Although i wouldnt take it for granted like some of you are. Anything can happen, if i remember correctly last time England toured it was the same scenario and in the last test England dominated and played really well. So the last thing we need to be is complacent.
Nate said:
amolbhatia100 said:
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I did say that in response to Nate. Listen im going to consider it a good victory IF we do win the series. Obviously i will, considering England are a very good side, even without some important players.Slabber said:
But seriously imagine how awesome it would have been if this were a 5 match test series, each down going to the wire.. IMO three tests just doesnt do it in these type of encounters where the teams are well matched.
Why did Dravid put England in to bat?
Good to see Strauss in the runs again, nice to see Shah do well on debut.
Good to see Strauss in the runs again, nice to see Shah do well on debut.
Dubai_Devil said:
He's messed up!
I'm very impressed with Munaf...he's the only one putting any heart into the game...
He looks decent.
Anyone need a link to the match?
Anyone need a link to the match?
Good to see you trying to see the bright side of things.Slabber said:
Yes.Dubai_Devil said:
Ern said:
http://195.225.46.154:8000;stream.nsv
Paste this into your winamp, not much time left though.
Cheers.