England Tour of India

It should be noted that England picked Bashir off the back off a spinning camp that they had in UAE and he came off as the best off the next cab. So it's not as a simple as saying ECB should have planned better (not sure what the UK could have done) given they picked the squad in December. I think the whole thing is just an unfortunate situation but it's not a huge deal since Bashir wouldn't have played IMO.

In the UK, sportsperson visa generally takes 3 weeks to set up if based outside.

Doesn't matter. They should have planned better as a person of Pakistani descent is going to take longer.

He's got his visa now as the media have made a fuss.
 
To be fair, if I applied for a UK visa 1 month before I wanted to travel, no chance I'd get it! 1 month is not a lot for visas.

i think you’re forgetting brexit, mate. try and come here on a tourist visa and you’re straight to rwanda.
 
Don't think I have ever seen a side picked with only one seamer.

Certainly can't remember one.

Couldn't they have gone with Root as the third one instead?

Very interesting to see how it pans out anyway.

Two left arm spinners seems unusual. At least there is a right armer and a leggie but I can't quite get my head around it.
 
Don't think I have ever seen a side picked with only one seamer.

Certainly can't remember one.

Couldn't they have gone with Root as the third one instead?

Very interesting to see how it pans out anyway.

Two left arm spinners seems unusual. At least there is a right armer and a leggie but I can't quite get my head around it.

bairstow’s going to steam in.
 
If your criticizing the UK / ECB for not knowing that it would take a long time, your correct - very poor planning.
If your criticizing India for it when there's a clear policy etc. then you need to take a history lesson.

It’s been widely reported the application was done straight after the squad was announced in December so not poor planning. Just discrimination. Yes there is history but that’s no excuse for the discrimination we are witnessing here.
 
I don't know the specifics of the issue, but why does an international sportsman have to wait >1 month to get a visa? The only information I have on this is from George Dobell's tweets and he says that Bashir applied on December 11th, whereas Dobell himself, a journalist, applied a bit later and got it in 4 days.

I see visas as a form of underwriting - Dobell can't be a "lower risk" category than Bashir. I understand the argument for Pakistani heritage requiring additional checks given our history but being an international sportsman should dramatically expedite the process. It's not just about relative probabilities.. it should be about absolute probabilities as well. Imagine if Steve Smith had a Pakistani parent and they made him miss a test because they couldn't clear the visa queue for him?

Exactly this.
 
Funny but for some reason, I don't think Hyderabad's going to turn as much as the venues in the last tour. I can't remember the last game there, or it being a raging turner..? @NM might

It would be hilarious if England pack the side with spinners and it doesn't turn much

Wont be our first misread of a pitch.
 
Doesn't matter. They should have planned better as a person of Pakistani descent is going to take longer.

They applied straight after announcing the squad so not sure what else they could do. Unless you feel they should treat British citizens of Pakistani heritage differently.
 
Looking at that side, England simply don't have the quality to be even competitive in India.

You need players like Cook and Trott who will bat long and strokemakers like KP and Bell who will take calculated risks.

The spin attack is untested but we needed Swann and Panesar at their respective peaks to give us a chance.

This will be 5-0.
 
I do think it's being overlooked a fair bit that India are much weaker in batting than any of the India sides England have faced in > 20 years here.

Jaiswal, Patidar, Shreyas, Jhurel have only 16 matches between them. The top 7 have 140 matches between them - it's the most inexperienced batting team India have put out I think. Rohit's the bradman of spin pitches as Panesar said, but he is old, and brilliant in only patches.

I thought they'd replace Virat with Pujara but stuck to to the "transition" plan.

That being said, they are all very talented batters. Shreyas Iyer is one of the best players of spin bowling we've had in 15 years.

This is the most beatable Indian side of the last 25 years.
 
I do think it's being overlooked a fair bit that India are much weaker in batting than any of the India sides England have faced in > 20 years here. Jaiswal, Patidar, Shreyas, Jhurel have only 16 matches between them. The top 7 have 140 matches between them - it's the most inexperienced batting team India have put out I think. Rohit's the bradman of spin pitches as Panesar said, but he is old, and brilliant in only patches. I thought they'd replace Virat with Pujara but stuck to to the "transition" plan. That being said, they are all very talented batters. Shreyas Iyer is one of the best players of spin bowling we've had in 15 years. This is the most beatable Indian side of the last 25 years.

They really aren't, the ones in 2013 were, the batting is ok enough whatever the injuries or absences maybe on the batting side, no Indian side has had the bowling talent available to this one, Ashwin axar Jadeja bumrah, you aren't winning a series with all of them fit, whatever funky new playstyle you play.
 
I do think it's being overlooked a fair bit that India are much weaker in batting than any of the India sides England have faced in > 20 years here.

Jaiswal, Patidar, Shreyas, Jhurel have only 16 matches between them. The top 7 have 140 matches between them - it's the most inexperienced batting team India have put out I think. Rohit's the bradman of spin pitches as Panesar said, but he is old, and brilliant in only patches.

I thought they'd replace Virat with Pujara but stuck to to the "transition" plan.

That being said, they are all very talented batters. Shreyas Iyer is one of the best players of spin bowling we've had in 15 years.

This is the most beatable Indian side of the last 25 years.

Finally the thread has started now. Indian fans explaining how they are actually shit in response to England fans detailing how we will lose 5-0.

Caf tradition.
 
After watching the first over of spin can I do U-turn on my previous opinion and say why did we even bother picking Wood.

This is going to turn square.
 
Absolutely classic Ollie Pope in India innings. All over the place.
 
Absolutely classic Ollie Pope in India innings. All over the place.
Remember last tour he played the worst innings I’d seen ever in india. I thought he’d levelled up from his comments leading up to the series
 
There were spikes throughout.. even when the ball was not near the bat..
drs is broken :
 
Remember last tour he played the worst innings I’d seen ever in india. I thought he’d levelled up from his comments leading up to the series

If Brook is fit to come back at any point he's nailed on to be the one dropped.

This is usual England chaos now :lol:
 
Flying start until the spinners came on, absolute chaos the last 20 mins or so.

Was literally just typing Crawley doesn't look like he can score vs the spin as he gets himself caught.
 
I have no idea if these catches should be given out or not out anymore.
 
The ball hasnt done anything special so far.. England just shit the bed once they saw the ball turn a bit.
 
I have no idea if these catches should be given out or not out anymore.
What are you even talking about? This was a clearly out.

Bit of a soft dismissal for England.
 
The ball hasnt done anything special so far.. England just shit the bed once they saw the ball turn a bit.

Duckett and Root are our best players of spin. Nightmare for us that Ben missed a straight one.

No surprise to see Pope and Crawley go quickly.

Big period now.
 
What the feck is this Ashwin action?
 
The same ones that meant the third umpire needed multiple replays and Crawley didn't walk...
yes batsman not walking is a sign of ball touching the floor and the Umpire did give it out.
 
Fair to say we won't be sending @KM to do the negotiations to get those diamonds back from the British
 
yes batsman not walking is a sign of ball touching the floor and the Umpire did give it out.

I'm not sure why this has wound you up. I just meant generally those 'finger under the ball but a portion of it is grounded' catches are not clear to me lately. Most are given, some aren't.
 
The ball hasnt done anything special so far.. England just shit the bed once they saw the ball turn a bit.

Yeah reminds me of the trap in the Ashes at Lord's last summer which we fell for way too many times
 
This Ashwin action is annoying. Bowl normally ffs.
 
I assume we are getting the English language Indian coverage on TNT in the UK.

Does Nasser and Atherton having a contract with Sky mean they won't be covering this one on comms? Real shame if so.
 
That Joe Root DRS could do with clarifying. Looks buggy.

Suppose it means keeping the on-field call was right.