England | right wing knuckle draggers on the streets

RedTiger said:
And the excuse will be "well, if they weren't in the house they wouldn't have got burned".
I've always been quite anti violence so I'm really lost as to what to do or say.
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The police should have been out putting down this shit ruthlessly, if they refuse to do that then the people being threatened have no choice but to counter it themselves. This is the reason I think we need to be taking action in Ireland now before we descend into this level of madness as well.
 
RedTiger said:
Completely agree. The best thing for Muslims or people of colour to do is stay at home and let these drunk twats bring shame on themselves.
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I was making this point yesterday. It just gives them more ammunition.

Although. I wouldn't have any issue if they were acting in self defence.
 
What's the level of right wing infiltration in the security forces in england? It's a big issue win portugal and it affects how the police deals with white and non white people. Is this an issue in the uk?
 


"You won't protect us but you'll protect him!", one of them shouts towards the police, a few seconds after dozens of them were filmed throwing punches at one man.
 
Labour in power a month and the nation has descended into anarchy

That's the headline I expect from the daily mail.
 
horsechoker said:
Labour in power a month and the nation has descended into anarchy

That's the headline I expect from the daily mail.
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One live channel had the guy filming saying exactly that. Starmers fault as all our money was being spent on foreign aid..
 
Got to hand it to them. They’ve made everyone forget about immigration and realise that the bigger problem are these idiots rioting on the streets. Somewhat of a wake up call for the country.
 
Ubik said:
Apparently no stabbings, just a couple of people hit with a blunt object

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Wow since pointy knives were banned people are really struggling to find things you can stab people with
 
Kaos said:
Not to be that guy, but any reason why the police haven't completely clobbered these neanderthels? We've seen they're not averse to aggressive measures when they feel threatened (see the Asian lads who were kicked in the head at Manchester airport for seemingly appearing threatening), but when it comes to these racist knuckle draggers its a different story. Granted they're outnumbered a lot of the time but these far-right smoothbrains have clearly already crossed the threshold, maybe time for an actually warranted display of force?
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I think public order policing usually starts from a kind of Hippocratic oath of "first, do no harm." They're trying not to inflame the situation further and turn angry chants into violence.

They particularly don't want it to turn into violence against people - so they tolerate some property damage as well. Drunks, hyped up kids and zealots - and some of these qualify on all counts - are unpredictable as well as violent.

They can try to avoid it spreading but there's not much value in measures used to send people home if they arrived from out of town and you don't have the personnel to actually handle them all heading simultaneously to the train station or whatever.

Mostly they work on a contain/monitor now - arrest later basis when they're outnumbered by violent mobs. It's a lot easier dragging away sit-down or chained-to protestors from a peaceful demo, than trying to arrest the currently most violent offenders from the middle of a potentially violent crowd.

As a bit of background:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/m0021b16?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
especially the second episode is interesting. It's about the right to protest and covers issues like the Just Stop Oil sentences - but it also talks about the general issue of public order policing and why it looks different in different situations.
 
horsechoker said:
Labour in power a month and the nation has descended into anarchy

That's the headline I expect from the daily mail.
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Agree, there seems to have been a deliberate attempt since Labour won the election for the right wing to get seriously organised to try and cause as much trouble as possible for the new govt. It started last week with a big protest in London fronted by Tommy Robinson which attracted a huge gathering. I think it's a tactic based on trying to force them out of office because they don't like the big majority they have, so coming out in force, whipping up lots of hatred, means the govt lose the confidence of the population and then hoping for calls for them to stand down.

I've seen so many petitions and calls for Starmer to resign, for a vote of no confidence from numerous social media and tiktok accounts over the last week or so, this is targeted to delegitimise them and endorsing Farage or similar figures on the extreme right. Given social media is awash with so much misinformation and anti govt messaging, it's making the job of governing effectively in the country impossible. I really think we'll end up having shut down SM as it's no longer something the govt can hold to account, yet tye troubles its causing outweigh it's usefulness.
 
maximus419 said:
Agree, there seems to have been a deliberate attempt since Labour won the election for the right wing to get seriously organised to try and cause as much trouble as possible for the new govt. It started last week with a big protest in London fronted by Tommy Robinson which attracted a huge gathering. I think it's a tactic based on trying to force them out of office because they don't like the big majority they have, so coming out in force, whipping up lots of hatred, means the govt lose the confidence of the population and then hoping for calls for them to stand down.

I've seen so many petitions and calls for Starmer to resign, for a vote of no confidence from numerous social media and tiktok accounts over the last week or so, this is targeted to delegitimise them and endorsing Farage or similar figures on the extreme right. Given social media is awash with so much misinformation and anti govt messaging, it's making the job of governing effectively in the country impossible. I really think we'll end up having shut down SM as it's no longer something the govt can hold to account, yet tye troubles its causing outweigh it's usefulness.
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They'll forget these happened under a Tory government

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots
 
Was supposed to go see a niece perform a dance show in Hanley (stoke) tonight. Was cancelled.

Sitting in Manchester. Five police cars, sirens blazing, just went by.

Not good.
 
Not blaming Starmer for the morons out there over recent days but “the police have my full support” does Jack sh!t. Emergency measures, army support, national address saying he’ll give police extra funding to work through all videos and ID people, something…

Feels like getting worse, not better - if police weren’t there for this one….

 
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