England | right wing knuckle draggers on the streets

WeePat said:
Living in London is like living in a bubble. Always has been.
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We should do an UKxit.

Dunno what it is, probably a combination of being far more multi-cultural, economically better and more educated than the rest of the UK. But seeing those news and then walking on London, just seems you are in a completely different country.
 
2mufc0 said:
For sure the batons and water cannons would be out if it was some other group. I can understand why they don't want to inflame the situation but if they are risking burning buildings down with people inside no fecks should be given.
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We don't have water cannons. Not sure why people keep mentioning them.
 
Revan said:
Crazy how different London seems to be from the rest of the UK. You wouldn't know that the country is burning. Just went with wifey for a walk (in an affluent area, obviously :P), and saw walking/running white people, Muslims, South Asian and Asian people, everyone doing their own business, speaking in their own language be it English or some other language.

Checked the news and it seems that there have been no protests, let alone riots.
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They do their protests there but do it in Central where the security is so tight they wouldn't dare feck around. They had a pretty big one last weekend as I recall where Tommy Robinson showed up.
 
decorativeed said:
We don't have water cannons. Not sure why people keep mentioning them.
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That's a shame (actually I recall the news way back saying we sold them off) , whatever else we have then we should use. Riot gear and horses is what I've seen being used.
 
hp88 said:
How the feck have managed to do that? You would think the would be heavy Police presence after what happened today.
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Like most public services, they are underfunded and rely on a sort of mirage of power/presence that is actually reliant on the vast majority of people being compliant. It only takes a relatively small % of people to massively outnumber, overpower or evade the public servants. Even in the riot scenes we've seen videos of, there's often about 12-20 officers holding off hundreds of idiots screaming at them and throwing shit. If there's enough protestors the officers have no choice but to retreat.

The only surprise for me is that the military haven't been called in yet. If an innocent civilian ends up getting killed because of a lack of response then the slow response will come under scrutiny.

Or bring out the water gun things like they use on football hooligans in Europe. That seems fairly effective generally, not sure if British police have those.
 
Kaos said:
London is definitely a bubble. Twice elected Asian Muslim mayor, several communities working and living in proximity to another, overwhelmingly pro-European and almost exclusively Labour at a representative level. In essence its no different to any other major cosmopolitan city in the West.

Though not entirely surprising either - a lot of these racist knuckle draggers have never come into personal contact with Muslims or any other people of colour in their neck of the woods, so have swallowed up the usual hateful rhetoric being spewed by rags like the Daily Mail, as well as grifters like Laurence Fox, Frottage, Robinson and Suella who've convinced them these people are the sole reason their lives are miserable. They genuinely buy into the narrative that London is some lost caliphate that's composed of no-go zones for whites, where grooming gangs have the Met in their pocket.
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I think that well describes the situation. I wouldn't call everyone in the riots racist, but definitely there are plenty of them. Furthermore, I think the majority of them are probably in shit jobs (or even jobless), have relatively shit lives, and then a couple of parties blamed everything on immigrants and Muslims, and now they actually see people with a different tame of colour and think that just getting rid of them will make their lives better.

It is going to be a massive problem in the future, I think. Just calling these people racists and putting them in prison won't solve the issue (after all, the Caf told me that harsh sentences in prison do not have deterrence power). If the country struggles economically, the easiest way to get power is by giving simple solutions, usually in the form of 'it is X group of people's fault'. The UK needs to improve economically, so these people have something to do with their lives, or we will see more and more riots like this.
 
2mufc0 said:
For sure the batons and water cannons would be out if it was some other group. I can understand why they don't want to inflame the situation but if they are risking burning buildings down with people inside no fecks should be given.
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Think water cannons are only approved and in operation in Northern Ireland. But I take your point otherwise, they seem overly hands off considering the gravity of the disturbances.
 
2mufc0 said:
They do their protests there but do it in Central where the security is so tight they wouldn't dare feck around. They had a pretty big one last weekend as I recall where Tommy Robinson showed up.
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Dunno, the only one I saw last weekend was an LGBTQ one near Hyde Park.
 
I can't help but feel that the majority of people doing these scummy things will ever get caught. There's just too many of these lowlifes.
 
The towns these things are happening in are the most segregated towns in the UK, the North East, Staffordshire, Lancashire and Yorkshire mill towns. Big cities aren't kicking off because most people there interact and know each other. Funny how the south and west where I live haven't kicked off either because there's no real segregation and everyone works and lives in the same areas.
 
Revan said:
I think that well describes the situation. I wouldn't call everyone in the riots racist, but definitely there are plenty of them. Furthermore, I think the majority of them are probably in shit jobs (or even jobless), have relatively shit jobs and lives, and then a couple of parties blamed everything on immigrants and Muslims, and now they actually see people with a different tame of colour and think that just getting rid of them will make their lives better.

It is going to be a massive problem in the future, I think. Just calling these people racists and putting them in prison won't solve the issue (after all, the Caf told me that harsh sentences in prison do not have deterrence power). If the country struggles economically, the easiest way to get power is by giving simple solutions, usually in the form of 'it is X group of people's fault'. The UK is improving economically, so these people have something to do with their lives, or we will see more and more riots like this.
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I agree that simply dismissing these folk as racist Neanderthals doesn't work, on the contrary it only galvanises them. The issue isn't just them of course, its a culmination of the environmental and economic dire straits they're having to contend with (like you mentioned), but more worryingly its the well-funded grifters who are lighting the fuse and egging them on to commit these acts.

So long as the economic outlook continues to look bleak for these folk, then the likes of Musk and Farage will continue to capitalise on their misfortune for their own benefit. The right-wing press has also played a culpable role in spurning this violence too sadly.
 
Don’t think that there are too many other countries where this would have been allowed with the police just standing there. I know that there are places where you have religious riots where the police might be instructed to not do anything but in a situation where they are damaging public property & openly causing arson I can’t think of any police force just standing there & watching. The political class need to show some spine or this is going to get much worse
 
Tarrou said:
I hope the people who set that building on fire are locked up for a decade
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Nicolas Robinson was jailed for 6 months for stealing a case of water during the London riots.

Let us hope they keep that same energy when dishing out jail time for actual arson and attempted murder.
 
Every copper has their bodycam on, helicopters and drones are overhead, and CCTV is watching all these fvckwits. They might not all get their comeuppance but many will.
 
FrankDrebin said:
I can't help but feel that the majority of people doing these scummy things will ever get caught. There's just too many of these lowlifes.
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Loads of them will get caught. Theres CCTV everywhere, and the idiots are posting it all over social media themselves. There will be huge public pressure (and political incentive) to hit them hard. Some will get lucky, or wont be identifiable. It's why it's important to give extremely harsh sentences on those that do get caught. Creates leverage to get them to ID their mates in exchange for some leniency. Those who get away with it, or encouraged it, will also have to live with the fact that their friends and family get massive fecking sentences, and they are partially blame.
 
Revan said:
We should do an UKxit.

Dunno what it is, probably a combination of being far more multi-cultural, economically better and more educated than the rest of the UK. But seeing those news and then walking on London, just seems you are in a completely different country.
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I think it's a combination of all those things, and in London we kind of live amongst each other and side by side. My borough is mostly white but a huge black community and with heavy Jewish and Muslim presence too.

I have family in Sheffield, and when I'm there, the city itself is very multicultural, but it sort of feels segregated in a way with just a couple of areas that house almost all of the non-white population in the city, with several 95-99% white areas.
 
Revan said:
We should do an UKxit.

Dunno what it is, probably a combination of being far more multi-cultural, economically better and more educated than the rest of the UK. But seeing those news and then walking on London, just seems you are in a completely different country.
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Bear in mind that this is several hundred, maybe 1,000 people amongst the rest of the U.K. which (London aside) is about 55M people? It’s not like the rest of the country is on fire.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Don’t think that there are too many other countries where this would have been allowed with the police just standing there. I know that there are places where you have religious riots where the police might be instructed to not do anything but in a situation where they are damaging public property & openly causing arson I can’t think of any police force just standing there & watching. The political class need to show some spine or this is going to get much worse
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To be fair, France has riots every couple of years, and some of the BLM protests also escalated into violent riots.

The issue though, is that it doesn't seem that they will naturally die out, so probably time for army to help a bit.

The main issue though is what happens after protests. The immigration will only continue, and the UK won't suddenly improve that much economically. So we can see these types of riots increasing and anti-immigration parties like Reform gaining power (we have seen the equivalent of them in France going from a tiny party to the largest one).
 
T00lsh3d said:
Bear in mind that this is several hundred, maybe 1,000 people amongst the rest of the U.K. which (London aside) is about 55M people? It’s not like the rest of the country is on fire.
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Sure, that was an exaggeration, but there have been several cities that have had violent riots.
 
T00lsh3d said:
Bear in mind that this is several hundred, maybe 1,000 people amongst the rest of the U.K. which (London aside) is about 55M people? It’s not like the rest of the country is on fire.
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This is true. It's useful to keep this in mind.
 
Badunk said:
Every copper has their bodycam on, helicopters and drones are overhead, and CCTV is watching all these fvckwits. They might not all get their comeuppance but many will.
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The dimwits are also livestreaming themselves committing crimes.

The only issue is there is not enough jail space so a lot will get away with it.
 
Revan said:
We should do an UKxit.

Dunno what it is, probably a combination of being far more multi-cultural, economically better and more educated than the rest of the UK. But seeing those news and then walking on London, just seems you are in a completely different country.
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You’ve probably just described part of the problem.
 
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Walton, Liverpool.
 
T00lsh3d said:
Bear in mind that this is several hundred, maybe 1,000 people amongst the rest of the U.K. which (London aside) is about 55M people? It’s not like the rest of the country is on fire.
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67 million or so. But I have no doubt there is a hefty chunk of that population who would be politically aligned with those on the streets. Just as is the case throughout Europe.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Don’t think that there are too many other countries where this would have been allowed with the police just standing there. I know that there are places where you have religious riots where the police might be instructed to not do anything but in a situation where they are damaging public property & openly causing arson I can’t think of any police force just standing there & watching. The political class need to show some spine or this is going to get much worse
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I don't think you appreciate how much out public services - police included - have been stripped back under the last government. It's bare bones here.
 
Kaos said:
I agree that simply dismissing these folk as racist Neanderthals doesn't work, on the contrary it only galvanises them. The issue isn't just them of course, its a culmination of the environmental and economic dire straits they're having to contend with (like you mentioned), but more worryingly its the well-funded grifters who are lighting the fuse and egging them on to commit these acts.

So long as the economic outlook continues to look bleak for these folk, then the likes of Musk and Farage will continue to capitalise on their misfortune for their own benefit. The right-wing press has also played a culpable role in spurning this violence too sadly.
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There are lots of things going on IMO.

First of all, I believe people have agency. Running around like a mob hunting for Muslims and other minority groups must be condemned and appropriate punishments given.

Second, I sympathize with the point of economic troubles and unfortunately right-wing grifters seem pretty skilled at exploiting it and radicalizing people with hateful rhetoric and false info. But not just individual grifters, the right wing press is to blame here too.

But here comes my "but" part: unfortunately too many people in official institutions have been terrible at their jobs and as a result it's minority groups who suffer from the aftermath.

The Rotherham scandal is an example: spineless people looked away or didn't care when young white girls were abused and it's precisely these kind of examples that have provided ammunition for the far right. One reason was that they didn't want to be labelled "racist" which is such a pathetic argument. Not only is it preposterous to assume that the British-Pakistani community would rebel against groomers being arrested, there's also the extra effect that the British-Pakistani community unfairly gets a target on its back.

Point being that IMO there's more going on here than just anti-immigration sentiment. There's also an anger and perception, whether right or wrong, that the official institutions are working "against" them.
 
Lived in this country for 13 years, never until today thought twice about going out because of the colour of my skin.
 
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