England - Euro 2021 Discussion | FA chairman: Southgate to be offered new contract until Euro 2024

If Italy played the way we have and had comfortable 1-0 wins. Everyone would say how calm and collected they've been and it's something to be worried about, but because it's England and fans have unreal expectations that we should spank everyone 3-0 we are left disappointed.

I'm warning you now, that tonights game will be no different. Ukraine will sit back and have 10 men behind the ball and make it very hard for England. Expect a 1-0 win.

I would certainly the a 1-0 win.
 


Southgate is shameless in his hate for the Bundesliga if this happens :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Sancho, Mount and Grealish would be the most creative attacking linuep we could field, based on last season's stats. Those three created more chances than any other Englishmen:

Minutes PlayedChances Created/90
Jack Grealish
2184​
3.75​
Jadon Sancho
2069​
3.39​
Mason Mount
2892​
2.86​
Luke Shaw
2657​
2.61​
Trent Alexander-Arnold
3033​
2.49​

Stick Luke Shaw in at LB and it is even better.
 
We really have to win this tournament now. We’ll never get a better chance. A poor Ukraine side that were being outplayed by Sweden & lost 2 of their group games. Denmark at home without their best player, and then Italy or Spain, neither of whom were considered pre tournament contenders, in front of a home crowd.

If England don’t win this they will never win anything.
 
We really have to win this tournament now. We’ll never get a better chance. A poor Ukraine side that were being outplayed by Sweden & lost 2 of their group games. Denmark at home without their best player, and then Italy or Spain, neither of whom were considered pre tournament contenders, in front of a home crowd.

If England don’t win this they will never win anything.

It’s all well and good saying things like this, but anything can happen in international football. Just look at the list of nations already out.

It’s a good opportunity for England but it’s not a given by any means, nor should it be.
 
It’s all well and good saying things like this, but anything can happen in international football. Just look at the list of nations already out.

It’s a good opportunity for England but it’s not a given by any means, nor should it be.
It’s absolutely not a given. As you said, anything can happen. It’s just hard to see us getting a better opportunity to win a trophy, probably for decades.
 
Southgate should be pragmatic and should not change his approach.winning all that matters. Once you win it will become habit. Nothing make you comfortable than winning.

If this team wins this trophy one way or other will give this young players more belief to go into next three or four tournaments as a core players. So need to win this trophy first and foremost. That's more important than style.
 
Sancho, Mount and Grealish would be the most creative attacking linuep we could field, based on last season's stats. Those three created more chances than any other Englishmen:

Minutes PlayedChances Created/90
Jack Grealish
2184​
3.75​
Jadon Sancho
2069​
3.39​
Mason Mount
2892​
2.86​
Luke Shaw
2657​
2.61​
Trent Alexander-Arnold
3033​
2.49​

Stick Luke Shaw in at LB and it is even better.
My only issue is you need someone running in behind. Only way Sancho and Grealish both work is if Grealish is the 10, you need a Sterling or rashford on the left or right to balance them IMO.
 
It’s absolutely not a given. As you said, anything can happen. It’s just hard to see us getting a better opportunity to win a trophy, probably for decades.

We’re the favourites in my book. Hard to score against, pragmatic, with lots of firepower up front. It’s a perfect setup for knockout football.

In theory we should win it, but a part of me is thinking it’s increasingly written in the stars for Italy.
 
My only issue is you need someone running in behind. Only way Sancho and Grealish both work is if Grealish is the 10, you need a Sterling or rashford on the left or right to balance them IMO.
Today you won't need a runner in behind assuming Ukraine will play in their own half with ten man defence.
 
If England don’t win this they will never win anything.

Its a good chance for us no question but few will have us as favourites if we reached the final against Italy. I don’t agree that we’ll never have a good a chance again though. We are one of the youngest teams here and the least experienced in terms of caps. We are a growing side a good few years from what should be our peak. There’s lots more really good players coming through still as well. I have read that the well is running a bit dry at youth level in the u16s and below at the moment but we should have a strong squad for a good number of tournaments yet.
 
Honest to God, I can't believe a reporter asked Southgate if he would rest booked players for the semi final. Thats one of the cockiest, arrogant questions Ive ever read.
It's not arrogant since England don't have a clear first XI of superior players. You could swap any one of them without weakening the side.
 
My only issue is you need someone running in behind. Only way Sancho and Grealish both work is if Grealish is the 10, you need a Sterling or rashford on the left or right to balance them IMO.
Usually yes but do you need a runner in behind against a team with 11 men behind the ball? The more creators today the better.
 
This is their first game away from home after enjoying the Wembley crowds which is likely to make a bit of a difference. I don't think tonight is anything like a certainty. I can see Ukraine nicking something on the break or a set piece and then making themselves almost impossible to break down.
 
This is their first game away from home after enjoying the Wembley crowds which is likely to make a bit of a difference. I don't think tonight is anything like a certainty. I can see Ukraine nicking something on the break or a set piece and then making themselves almost impossible to break down.

It’s deffo different, albeit at a neutral venue.

I would suspect there’s not going to be much of a crowd, so the players need to be on it, and create energy. Although they should be used to it after Covid.
 
He has brought Sancho on because he has just signed for Manutd.
 
This is the second tournament in a row where we've been largely quite rubbish and had an idiot as a manager, and somehow will manage to make our way to the later stages through just somehow not playing against anyone who's all that good...well unless we ge to the final and get completely owned by Italy.

What did Mount do in any of the group games to deserve a recall? He was god awful against Scotland. Sterling will also start on the left again, completely ignoring that he's been utterly useless there and everything effective he's done has come from him being on the opposite side and allowing someone who actually provides width/balance to be on the left to create chances for him.

I mean we actually have a chance of winning this tournament despite having a largely average squad. I'm worried/semi convinced Southgate is going to ham it up because he'd rather stick with what he knows until it kills him than use his players properly. Grealish should clearly be starting at this point and although Saka has done well I'm not really sure what he offers that justifies playing him ahead of Foden. Particularly if Mount comes back in and Foden doesn't, since the later is twice as talented and has also played better when picked.

Also hopefully Jermaine Jenas isn't commentating on this game otherwise it'll be another 90 minutes of him just slagging Luke Shaw off for no reason and coming up with overly complicated ways to sub Luke Shaw off the pitch, then having to backtrack like an internet troll gremlin when Shaw sets up all of England's goals and the co commentator starts no so subtly calling him out on his weird bias.
A front free of Foden - Sterling - Saka would be my go to, or Grealish, or Sancho.

Basically drop Kane and play fast fluid football
 
Just to be clear: this means Ole is safe for another 3 years, yes?

I mean, given that they're the same person and all - I would assume, etc.

But still - doesn't hurt to ask.
 
My only issue is you need someone running in behind. Only way Sancho and Grealish both work is if Grealish is the 10, you need a Sterling or rashford on the left or right to balance them IMO.
There isn't going to be anywhere to run behind into. They are playing a back 5 and will be deep with a midfield sitting just in front of them.
 
Wait - I just remembered Sancho.

Would be weird if he doesn't play brilliantly. Because that would mean a) that Ole is an idiot but b) that Ole still keeps his job until the world ends (which it really should before 2024).
 
Seeing the pictures just reminds me how much of a beautiful city Rome is. Once upon a time I had tickets for this game. What a shite 18 months.
 
Wow Danny mills thinks Trippier is a better defender than Shaw, how biased against United can one be!
The guy really hates United
 
There isn't going to be anywhere to run behind into. They are playing a back 5 and will be deep with a midfield sitting just in front of them.
Not sure, the bit I've seen of Ukraine, they really didn't look like a team who just sat deep and didn't try coming out. Also with Kane dropping deep so much, I think it makes a big difference having a runner from wide like Son for Spurs, which is why I think had he been fit and firing, Rashford would've been huge IMO. Sterling has good movement though so it's worked too.
 
I am pleased Sancho is starting. I really hope we win, a loss to Ukraine will be a bitter pill to swallow.
 
Meh . For decades England played ludicrous lineups to accommodate the star players but now they finally are picking a team before looking at individuals

Not playing Grealish or Shaw at LB over Trippier, is not born out of some "picking a team before individuals" bs, its because Southgate is always defense first. You can easily play Grealish in the team in his correct position, and you can easily put England's best players in a well balanced team, but Southgate is refusing to do that because he's scared of risktaking football.

Grealish--Kane--Sterling
-------Foden------Mount
----------------Rice

This is a balanced team. You can replace Foden with Philips even to add more steel. But Southgate wont play his best team because he's a conservative manager. He continues the tradition of managers not picking the best team for England.
 
United winning more for England than United wins for United. :wenger:
 
Got to really credit Southgate. Aside from the first couple of group games we’ve looked very assured and very tough to beat. You can’t complain at 2-0 against Germany and 4-0 against Ukraine.

English football was in the pits when he took over and while he‘s been blessed with a very good crop of players, having a good set of players to pick from doesn’t mean you will automatically perform well in tournament football. The good old “golden generation” can attest to that.
 
This was the first time in 53 years that England had won a Euros knockout tie within the 90 minutes. Let that sink in.

That's the history Southgate is working against. Pragmatism was definitely the sensible approach.

We've got a top class attack that's always liable to score a goal, especially in later rounds when the opposition needs to attack. And setting up to congest the middle is always liable to lead to a clean sheet, especially when you've got an aerial presence as dominant as Maguire.

It's just maths. 1-0 in every game would give England their best tournament result in over half a century.
And now we've won only our second Euros knockout tie within the 90 minutes in 53 years. Four days after the first.

Southgate has achieved history.

England don't normally dominate games and beat sides without any significant worries. This is something completely new and different.
 
Got to really credit Southgate. Aside from the first couple of group games we’ve looked very assured and very tough to beat. You can’t complain at 2-0 against Germany and 4-0 against Ukraine.

English football was in the pits when he took over and while he‘s been blessed with a very good crop of players, having a good set of players to pick from doesn’t mean you will automatically perform well in tournament football. The good old “golden generation” can attest to that.

I have to echo these words.

It looked like it was going to be the same old disappointing England after the first couple of games, but we've steadily increased performance levels to the point we now look like genuine contenders. Southgate deserves the utmost credit for not picking players based on fan or media pressure and sticking to his guns throughout the tournament. Let's be honest, he was right all along.
 
You have to give Southgate credit now. We've slowly gotten better in this tournament. He has used his squad really well. It feels like every player has had a role to play because of Southgate's squad rotation. The moral will be sky high.
 
Whatever anyone says about Southgate, can't really argue with his results. We've grown into the tournament the way potential tournament winners usually do. Kane has woken up and look like he's buzzing with confidence.
 
So how do we line up against Denmark? I think Mount will start ahead of Phillips and Rice, and we know Sterling/Kane both are. I think he’ll go for Sancho again.
 
Very convincing win by England tonight, confident of victory before the game but 1st half was tough at times, maybe due to the heat. But the 2nd half was excellent, particularly the first 15min of it. Many great performers on the night, very happy with the the United boys, Shaw, Maguire and Sancho (how great is it to say that!).

Denmark I suspect will be much sterner opposition so can’t get carried away but must go in with confidence.