England - Euro 2021 Discussion | FA chairman: Southgate to be offered new contract until Euro 2024

Reditus said:
Semis in the wc as well, his record with them is good
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His record overall is good, but the semis was an easy run. Though that squad was significantly weaker than this one, I'd argue that getting to that point was par for the course with the opponents England faced.

I actually think this current England team is incredibly talented, not just the first 11 but the amount of talent they can call upon is ridiculous. The fact that players like Grealish, Sancho and Rashford have hardly kicked a ball is a testament to the ability in this squad. Not having conceded so far in the tournament is a really promising sign, and while this Germany side has been poor for some time (going out in the group stages in '18, being shit in the Nations League) it is a great day for England when they beat Germany, and England fans should rightfully celebrate today and also feel like this could be their tournament.

A defense first approach that results in England winning the Euros will have Southgate lauded as a genius and justify a lot of his decisions, but if they fail to make the finals with this squad and the current run, it'll feel like a massive missed opportunity.
 
I am sorry but you English fans are so spoiled. You have coach who brought you easily in 1/4 finals without conceded single goal. But he is shit because he doesn't play with all attacking stars.
You criticized Pickford who is great for England. And what to say for Sterling. He is England best player on this Euro.

I love Southgate's pragmatism. England can win this. And probably will
 
Andycoleno9 said:
I am sorry but you English fans are so spoiled. You have coach who brought you easily in 1/4 finals without conceded single goal. But he is shit because he doesn't play with all attacking stars.
You criticized Pickford who is great for England. And what to say for Sterling. He is England best player on this Euro.

I love Southgate's pragmatism. England can win this. And probably will
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English fans have a point. It wasn't until fans started calling for Grealish that he came on. We were heading for 0-0 at that point.

I think people forget that we didn't really create anything until that point.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
I am sorry but you English fans are so spoiled. You have coach who brought you easily in 1/4 finals without conceded single goal. But he is shit because he doesn't play with all attacking stars.
You criticized Pickford who is great for England. And what to say for Sterling. He is England best player on this Euro.

I love Southgate's pragmatism. England can win this. And probably will
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most of the people who criticise Southgate are dumb cnuts. Don’t have a bloody clue.

It’s about winning. That’s all. Or we could go all out attack and end up 3-3….
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
About time England get a bit more credit . Sick of people criticising the team and the manager all the time in this thread
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Just so you know most of the criticism comes from English people

Everyone else wants you to lose but recognise you have good players
 
FootballHQ said:
The win in 2018 was fairly comfortably IIRC. Sweden used to be a massive jinx team for England in the 90s and 2000s but not sure that's an issue these days although front three of Forsberg-Isak-Kulvelski would be decent.

Denmark will be the big test if it all pans out like it should.

However no Eriksen and England playing it at Wembley means I give them far more of a shot than playing Croatia in SF in 2018 as a chance to get to the final.
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Yeah it was a comfortable 2-0 wasn't it. I just don't like the psychology of playing them again so soon, probably like Croatia wouldn't have wanted to draw us.

Decent team but nothing to fear at all from them or Denmark. Hell I wouldn't put it past the Czechs to make it the way this tournament is going and we know we can beat them.

As for Southgate, feck it if we win who cares. Still think we're better being a little more positive in the next two though, so they don't nick a late 1-0.
 
sullydnl said:
Two of the prime factors that saw you win today were Grealish and Shaw. Both of whom would have been nailed on to start for England in the opinion of most here before the tournament even started, because they're both obviously part of England's best 11. Yet one of them started the tournament on the bench (behind a RB playing at LB) and the other is still starting on the bench.

Even if we accept that an extremely dour approach is the best one for England (which I think is fairly dubious as it would be an unusual team who need to be that negative to be at their best), you could still opt for that approach while actually starting your best players.
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I'd love to see Jack start but clear Southgate dosen't trust him for whatever random reason. Probably more likely Mount will return for the next game somewhere in the 3-4-3 for one of the midfielders on a yellow as think yellows are wiped from SF stage.

One little added point I raised elsewhere....Foden, Grealish, Rashford, Sancho and Mount are all going to be very fresh for business end of the tournament given the lack of football they've played so far. Compared to other nations who are losing key players to injury or not rotating so much that could be extra factor considering everyone has been slogging it away for 12 months.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
I am sorry but you English fans are so spoiled. You have coach who brought you easily in 1/4 finals without conceded single goal. But he is shit because he doesn't play with all attacking stars.
You criticized Pickford who is great for England. And what to say for Sterling. He is England best player on this Euro.

I love Southgate's pragmatism. England can win this. And probably will
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We're spoilt?

This is spoilt:
Piratesoup said:
Goodbye, Löw. Thanks for nothing, you shithead.
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ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
most of the people who criticise Southgate are dumb cnuts. Don’t have a bloody clue.

It’s about winning. That’s all. Or we could go all out attack and end up 3-3….
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But he was wrong. Everyone knew Grealish should play, and the fans cowed him into bringing him on from the chanting of his name.

We didn't create anything until that point. We were fine defensively but slow and lethargic in midfield and attack.
 
FootballHQ said:
I'd love to see Jack start but clear Southgate dosen't trust him for whatever random reason. Probably more likely Mount will return for the next game somewhere in the 3-4-3 for one of the midfielders on a yellow as think yellows are wiped from SF stage.

One little added point I raised elsewhere....Foden, Grealish, Rashford, Sancho and Mount are all going to be very fresh for business end of the tournament given the lack of football they've played so far. Compared to other nations who are losing key players to injury or not rotating so much that could be extra factor considering everyone has been slogging it away for 12 months.
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He also has 5 subs to play with and with that bench...that's a lot of firepower to bring on if needed, don't think it has been utilised albeit not really needed.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
I am sorry but you English fans are so spoiled. You have coach who brought you easily in 1/4 finals without conceded single goal. But he is shit because he doesn't play with all attacking stars.
You criticized Pickford who is great for England. And what to say for Sterling. He is England best player on this Euro.

I love Southgate's pragmatism. England can win this. And probably will
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But Football's coming home is played at the end and Modric has a cry about it? ;)
 
Schneiderman said:
Yeah it was a comfortable 2-0 wasn't it. I just don't like the psychology of playing them again so soon, probably like Croatia wouldn't have wanted to draw us.

Decent team but nothing to fear at all from them or Denmark. Hell I wouldn't put it past the Czechs to make it the way this tournament is going and we know we can beat them.

As for Southgate, feck it if we win who cares. Still think we're better being a little more positive in the next two though, so they don't nick a late 1-0.
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Denmark will probably be the toughest and most "together" side in England's run these Euros before the final. Germany of course have the most quality, but they've been a bit of a mess the past few years and just didn't have that togetherness (taking nothing away from England's win, mentally it's huge). Denmark actually play a very good, fast pace pressing style of football and have been fantastic this tournament so far, I'd be surprised if they lost to the Czechs. Sweden I don't think will put up much of a challenge, will be similar to the world cup game. But the Denmark game will be sneakily even harder than this Germany one IMO, assuming that is the semi final to happen.
 
I know it's a minor factor, but it's hot in Rome at the moment ~30°C every day. England notoriously struggle in hot weather, I'd imagine that the Swedes aren't too comfortable with it either - their summer highs are similar to ours, around 23°C on a good day. In Ukraine however, 30-35 °C is not unheard of in the summer. I feel they'd cope with the heat better than us or Sweden.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Yeah you do, Germany looked awful and I think it is down to Southgate's tactics
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Eh, Southgate did well to neutralize Germany for sure but Germany have been a bit of a mess the past few years. They didn't improve after failing to get our of the group stage in the last world cup. They have some excellent individuals but there was clearly something broken with them before (lost 6-0 to Spain and lost to Macedonia both in the past year, and barely drew to Hungary just now).
 
Fair play to Southgate. I criticised his team selection in all four games so far but he obviously knows better than me. I don't care how boring we are if we win.
 
MU655 said:
But he was wrong. Everyone knew Grealish should play, and the fans cowed him into bringing him on from the chanting of his name.

We didn't create anything until that point. We were fine defensively but slow and lethargic in midfield and attack.
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southgate brought him on due to the crowd!!

was a masterclass in management.

most armchair fans, inc myself would have brought off Sterling and Kane.

….but your narrative it that we would have won by far more if only we had someone competent managing the team. Joker.
 
sullydnl said:
Two of the prime factors that saw you win today were Grealish and Shaw. Both of whom would have been nailed on to start for England in the opinion of most here before the tournament even started, because they're both obviously part of England's best 11. Yet one of them started the tournament on the bench (behind a RB playing at LB) and the other is still starting on the bench.

Even if we accept that an extremely dour approach is the best one for England (which I think is fairly dubious as it would be an unusual team who need to be that negative to be at their best), you could still opt for that approach while actually starting your best players.
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Grealish was nailed on by the many on here to start over Sterling whose been banging them in. People here wanted Grealish but they also wanted Sancho, 4 at the back, 1 dm etc...Also outside of United based forums Chilwell/Shaw was a much closer call than many make out.

For all his faults Southgates football has beaten the 2018 WC finalists in the game where he started Trippier at LB again thanks to a goal that by a player people wanted benched for Grealish... The is an extremely harsh reaction. The football is no more dour than 90% of the team in the competition with only Italy and Spain really playing on the front foot (and that almost cost both of them vs weaker teams than Germany, one of them giving up 3 goals to a team England cruised past). England are playing pragmatic knockout football similiar I would say to Tuchels Chelsea and we've seen in the CL how effective that is.
 
bosnian_red said:
Eh, Southgate did well to neutralize Germany for sure but Germany have been a bit of a mess the past few years. They didn't improve after failing to get our of the group stage in the last world cup. They have some excellent individuals but there was clearly something broken with them before (lost 6-0 to Spain and lost to Macedonia both in the past year, and barely drew to Hungary just now).
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With that midfield and wing backs, they're definitely not a bad team and had completely destroyed Portugal as well. Clearly not the Germans of the past but still pretty good, better than the 2000 side as an example
 
I'm not going to criticise Southgate any more, even if we get knocked out next round. He's done good. Boring but good.
 
Droid_Repairs said:
I know it's a minor factor, but it's hot in Rome at the moment ~30°C every day. England notoriously struggle in hot weather, I'd imagine that the Swedes aren't too comfortable with it either - their summer highs are similar to ours, around 23°C on a good day. In Ukraine however, 30-35 °C is not unheard of in the summer. I feel they'd cope with the heat better than us or Sweden.
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Is Saturday an evening kick off, that's one thing I haven't checked?

Sweden got a 0-0 in the furnace of Seville so it's not a terrible thing for them if they have to face those conditions. Think Southgate will make 2-3 changes aswell and freshen things up.

Will actually be interested to see how England play in Rome. Said it before but the pitch at Wembley always seems to play slow. Look at the pace Italy moved around the ball in Rome compared to v Austria so really for some reason the Wembley pitch simply isn't conducive to fast paced end to end games, seen it in loads of cup finals aswell in hot weather so think stodgy is the word I'm looking for.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Hardly spawning it is it? We deserved to win every match we have won.
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Absolute piece of piss group. Shite Germany team. Denmark or fecking Czech Republic in the semis. While playing all at Wembley to this point.

Yeah it’s been a real tough run….
 
MU655 said:
Did Grealish only come on because fans were calling for him? He was on the bench and then he was suddenly coming on.

The timing seemed too coincidental.
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Aye the England manager, a paid professional, often listens to the ranting of Fat Topless Jimmy in row Z...
 
IncyWincySpider said:
I'm not going to criticise Southgate any more, even if we get knocked out next round. He's done good. Boring but good.
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He should certainly be criticised more if he goes out next round. No point having a potential legacy tournament win v Germany to just then limply going out to Sweden/Ukraine. Southgate would deserve more criticism than going out today imo especially as he's got the squad to make 3-4 changes and get a fresh look.
 
Think only Belgium can potentially beat England but I think you're better than them. So basically yeah, the trophy's in the bag.
 
FootballHQ said:
Didn't do Portugal any harm in 2016 did it?

Think only issue is it's not sustainable in the long run (as Portugal have found out since with two last 16 exits).

I don't think any partisan England fan would care if they won the euro final 1-0 with 8-1-1 formation, one shot on target and 10% possesion. 55 years of hurt after all.

England aren't great to watch at all but people acting like no one else has ever won a tournament or reached a final before in this style is amusing me a bit if England do it that way, just look at knockout stages of 2014 world cup and how Argentina got to the final for instance.
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You're right. I just wish we were playing a more entertaining brand of football and one that utilizes perhaps our most talented squad in decades. But moaning aside, three wins in four games without a goal conceded cannot be ignored, especially in a major tournament.

I'm done moaning about the style of play. I'm just gonna enjoy the victories as long as they last.
 
JJ12 said:
Absolute piece of piss group. Shite Germany team. Denmark or fecking Czech Republic in the semis. While playing all at Wembley to this point.

Yeah it’s been a real tough run….
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Germany are a bogey team for England, and even when they're not at their best they're usually a tough team. They had some very good players and a lot of experience there, it was a good win.
 
MU655 said:
English fans have a point. It wasn't until fans started calling for Grealish that he came on. We were heading for 0-0 at that point.

I think people forget that we didn't really create anything until that point.
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That’s true but it also helps to bring him on against tired legs and with more space to operate.
 
JJ12 said:
Absolute piece of piss group. Shite Germany team. Denmark or fecking Czech Republic in the semis. While playing all at Wembley to this point.

Yeah it’s been a real tough run….
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That's tournament/cup football ultimately. Luck of the draw and all that.

I doubt any Man. United fan on here cared you played likes of Sheffield United (when they were in league 1) and Shrewsbury Town in early rounds of 2016 FA cup compared to Man. City or Liverpool for example.

Croatia barely created a chance v England and the scored twice in five minutes v Spain so would say the defence is doing o.k currently considering it was a big weak point coming into the tournament.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
Germany are a bogey team for England, and even when they're not at their best they're usually a tough team. They had some very good players and a lot of experience there, it was a good win.
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I get all that but they finished 3rd in a group where the 2 teams above them were already eliminated by the time they played today
 
padr81 said:
Aye the England manager, a paid professional, often listens to the ranting of Fat Topless Jimmy in row Z...
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His whole management is founded on popularity. He will do anything that wins him some.

ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
southgate brought him on due to the crowd!!

was a masterclass in management.

most armchair fans, inc myself would have brought off Sterling and Kane.

….but your narrative it that we would have won by far more if only we had someone competent managing the team. Joker.
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So, was he wrong or not? It is funny how people can't admit he was wrong.
 
JJ12 said:
Absolute piece of piss group. Shite Germany team. Denmark or fecking Czech Republic in the semis. While playing all at Wembley to this point.

Yeah it’s been a real tough run….
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Next game is in Rome.

can only beat whoever is in front of you.

sounds like you need to chew on your salty bitter tears.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
With that midfield and wing backs, they're definitely not a bad team and had completely destroyed Portugal as well. Clearly not the Germans of the past but still pretty good, better than the 2000 side as an example
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Part of their problem is the lack of fullbacks! Excellent midfield options, good centerbacks, Kimmich better in midfield than right back but usually quality but the rest of the team is very meh. Biggest problem is the system not getting the best out of them though and making even their quality midfielders look average. The Portugal game was out of nowhere tbh, very out of character for them the past 3-4 years. All become a bit stale with Low being there for 15 years now though and it wasn't a huge surprise to see Germany flop in the end (even though I thought England would ultimately lose to them as they wouldn't have enough mentally).
 
JJ12 said:
Absolute piece of piss group. Shite Germany team. Denmark or fecking Czech Republic in the semis. While playing all at Wembley to this point.

Yeah it’s been a real tough run….
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Croatia who took Spain to extra time and the Czechs knocked out the Dutch. Maybe not as easy as first thought?
 
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