England - Euro 2021 Discussion | FA chairman: Southgate to be offered new contract until Euro 2024
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Great post tbh. Everyone changed their tune so quick about Southgate. He's still awful... It's the players getting the job done in spite of the manager
Football365 has an article about the easiest runs to the final. Big shock here but often the winners get an easy draw. Luck plays huge part and England have had good draws at the World Cup in 2018 and the Euros this year. We shouldn’t be apologising for taking advantage of that.
complete bollocks. If it was all about popular opinion. Then Sterling woulnt Have started a single game, Kane would be dropped today and Grealish would have started.
joke of a post
I know some of you are still buzzing about the result, but standards have really dropped if beating Germany in the round of 16 was enough to satisfy
Why Belgium? I'd say at this point, Italy and Spain are easily the best footballing sides but Spain are a bit too chaotic in front of both goals so I think they'd lose out to England's solidity. Belgium is doesn't play any different to England except look worse on the pitch and have their best players with knocks. England would struggle the most against Italy IMO. They'd struggle against Spain too, but Morata would bail them out.
Well if you play 3 at the back, you can get away without decent full backs which is what they did, could easily have done the same thing to England that they did to Portugal if England went all out which is why I made the point about Southgate's tactics. Certainly the German midfield is better than the English one.
It has gotten stale with Low so it's about right that he is leaving.
Poor result. Only a 6-0 win would ‘satisfy’! Standards. Standards of posts have obviously dropped.
Nah you saw the reaction from Southgate straight away, first thing he said was it doesn't matter if England get beat on Saturday.
England have only previously won 1 knockout stage game in all of the euros history, a penalty shootout against Spain in 96. They've literally lost every other knockout game until today. It's a big win for them mentally.
That's a point, the 'group of death' are all gone
Yeah, Gareth left out the player everyone wanted to start and then subbed him on to be popular, if he had started him he'd have been 7 times as popular, might have even got some twitter follows. ffs... read the nonsense you're spouting. Southgate might not be Jurgen Klopp or Alex Ferguson but he's not out there with his ear cupped to the crowd for tactical decisions... are you like 12 or something?
It will be 20ish degrees at 8pm this Saturday in Rome.
That's fair but it's pretty much the same for most international teams isn't it? I mean the Portugal guys on here can't stand Santos still despite him winning the trophy (Southgate will eventually go the same way however the next two weeks pan out). French guys on here had reservations about why Deschamps was setting things up in 2018 but ultimately it worked out o.k (not so much now), Luis Enrique making odd calls for Spain but they're warming up now etc.
Ultimately the best managers don't tend to manage in the international game and you obviously don't get the mass preparation as in a club season so basically making a team organised is the best you can do sometimes.
Italy and Belgium probably the two best major teams coached at this tournament so one of them should be making the final this year at least.
Post Southgate I'd imagine someone like Graham Potter or Dean Smith will be appointed. Both have shown at club level they can put out coherent and progressive sides for the modern game so they'd be good options with the talent England has coming through. That said media and fan pressure can easily them more negative considering neither has anywhere near that sort of scrutiny at the respective clubs.
Forgot Italy. Yeah, them too.
These people are utter tools. What’s surprising is that some of them are England fans, and ranting on a forum about WINNING a game against Germany. What a shit life some of these people live.
It would a major let down if we don't at least make the final from here. We should be expected to beat all of Denmark/Czech Republic and Sweden/Ukraine, though having seen what Denmatk can do, they would make an extremely dangerous opponent in the semis.
The best club managers don’t manage an international team. Perhaps it’s a completely different skill set… a skill set that many club managers simply don’t have. It’s a different game.
You don’t have time to build a team, you can’t buy players to improve your weak points. You have to work with what you’ve got.
I quoted the wrong post. Beating Germany 6-0 would mean nothing if we get knocked out by Sweden/Ukraine in the next round. If he had us playing attractive football then I can understand giving him some more leeway but just a round of 16 win, with all this talent?
complete bollocks. If it was all about popular opinion. Then Sterling woulnt Have started a single game, Kane would be dropped today and Grealish would have started.
joke of a post
I'm afraid the evidence is all there. Stages of the process:
1. James and Sancho warming up
2. Camera goes to Grealish on bench
3. Cheers for him to come on start
4. 5 seconds later, Grealish is coming on
5. Grealish comes on
Coincidence? I think not.
Can't argue with the results. 0 goals conceded so far...
Where is the white text. Do you understand how ridiculous your post is?
I get that its not Brazil 1970 football, but despite the 5 at the back, its not exactly turtle football either, its pragmatic but its hardly park the bus and pray. I can't understand those attitudes, he's just beaten a WC winning manager, and to do so switched formation, shook up the team, started a kid in Saka that people thought would be lucky to kick a ball for the entirety of the competition, benched England golden boy in Foden (still gets called a yes man) and he's done it all without conceding a goal. We should be overjoyed, a huge win for a youngish team with a great young squad getting tons of experience and people are still kicking up. I don't get it.
Of course, it only matters if we can take it further. Who knows how far we can go. I have a lot more confidence in Southgate than many other managers or armchair fans that we have.
Can you read?
I am damned if i praise, i am damned if i criticize...But Football's coming home is played at the end and Modric has a cry about it?
The hysteria around the lineup was absolutely ludicrous. Wingbacks were the right call against Germany and Saka had a good game until he started running out of steam.
We were the better side and deserved to go through.
Think Mourinho, Klopp and Zidane will all eventually manage their national teams so would be pretty cool to all get them in the same tournament although probably unlikely with ages of them all.
Conte's probably the best club manager in last 15 years to manage a major international team and he got average Italy team to quarters of euro 2016 and they could've gone further. Mancini not far behind him although slightly different to Conte in that he's not hugely in demand at club level anymore.
most people are.
I think this is some sort of self harm forum, where being positive is not allowed and frowned upon.
It clearly sounds like your the one who is naïve. Southgate is very well aware that he got the job out of nowhere, and the 'feel good' feeling came from pleasing the fans and him keeping the job. He knows that is the only way he can hold this job if he fails, and so he will play on it.
He found a perfect chance to sweep some popularity points in case they did concede. Why wasn't Grealish warming up before that point then? It seems very coincidental that it all sprang into action as soon as the fans started chanting. You underestimate the psyche of people. It is called risk aversion.
I'm sorry but there's no way in hell he'd let the crowd influence his decision. Even if he did, you could say he felt it'd rev up the crowd which would get the team going so good management.
And I'm normally critical of him, but he got it spot on today matching them up. It was fairly comfortable in the end.
Good point, I didn't realise it was in Seville. Impressive to hold Spain on their own soil in that kind of heat.
I wonder if Southgate will be more attack minded against them. We've been very solid defensively, and while Sweden were impressive going forward against Poland, it really isn't the sort of game we should be approaching too defensively.
With all respect to Sweden, we do have better attacking options than they do.
That's still hot for us
At least the players won't have the sun beating down on them.
I agree that it is a big win for them mentally, and it'll give the squad a lot of confidence going forward in this tournament.
Part of the reason they've only won the one knockout stage game is the different makeup of the tournament itself, it used to be only 8 teams. So getting to the knockout stages was more difficult, and the standard was always very high.
It's still a weight off their shoulders though, and I think there's no team they need to fear, though every game will be tough.
look at Low, Dechamps - as far as I’m aware, not particularly successful at club level, but have don’t it at international level.
clearly there is some overlap, but different skills are required. It’s not some sort of graveyard.
what’s are Low and Deschamps going now, surely they are great managers, but aren’t going to top club jobs.
England remind me a bit of Chelsea, maybe bit better up top but as good defensively or at pressing.
Can't complain about Southgate today.
Issue can be if England concede first it's very hard to get back in the game and possible it all falls apart.
Can't complain about Southgate today.
Issue can be if England concede first it's very hard to get back in the game and possible it all falls apart.
Fair play to him he would have looked like a complete clown if we lost this game. He made a big decision in his team selection and it paid off, well played Gareth!
Sure France thought they had an easy match against the Swiss as well.
No one had it more easier than Portugal at the last Euros with the exception of the finals.
You can only beat the teams left because they have beaten the other teams. That’s how a tournament works.
That's pretty damn harsh on Deschamps
Yes that's the big issue I think. Would be very interesting if Sweden or Denmark scored first and then England faced a very low block. Would have to make use of set pieces and the bench then you'd suspect.
Should've happened today with the chance Werner had.
So it’s an easy run. Why are we twisting ourselves in pretzels trying to make a point.
If you win it all you still win it. It’s just a piece of piss run, and should reach the final or it’s catastrophic