Semper Fudge
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No you wouldn't, unless you view everything myopically.You'd think England lost reading this page
No you wouldn't, unless you view everything myopically.You'd think England lost reading this page
Can a win be a loss?
No you wouldn't, unless you view everything myopically.
Which should really be Saka and Rashford with Grealish first reserve.
As a neutral, I would call into question Southgate's ability alone just for picking Jordan Henderson and Harry Maguire. It's ridiculous.
Not sure if Southgate is good or bad but he is in lose-lose situation no matter what happens (unless England win Euros with him as manager).
Win the game - Team is talented and they can win on auto mode
Lose the game or draw - He is shit.
Once he is gone, if the next manager does well - Proves how shit Southgate was
If the next manager does poorly - Southgate drained the talent and wasted Kane peak years, next manager doesn't have CF as good as Kane at his peak.
Unless he wins Euros, there is no win situation for him, especially on caf.
I think at this point the talent has outgrown him. Rice under Arteta now, Bellingham at Real under Ancelotti, Walker/Stones/Foden/Grealish under Pep, Kane at Bayern....they are all at a presumably different/ higher level of coaching daily than what they see when they go to internationals.
I get it that the internationals are a different kettle of fish particularly given the amount of time available to work on things on the training ground but they still probably notice a drop in quality. That's my opinion.
I think this is true but I think it's also the reason we need somebody with more credibility and authority than Gareth Southgate to instill a sense of belief that they can actually do it. A bit of nous in the key moments would also be welcome because I think it is partly belief (why the heck couldn't we beat an ancient Italy or underperforming France on those nights) and partly some weird decisions.The problem England have is learning how to win against the teams they've always traditionally failed against. The difference between England and France in the World Cup tie was that France knew they could win that kind of game, whereas England were hoping they could.
France had done it before, they knew they could do it and once you're used to winning, you find a way. Like we've seen United do time and time again in the past. It's that extra little bit of belief that success gives you and it's the hardest step to take.
England have such a deep rooted history of blowing it in important games, coming close, heroic failure, time and time again. Overcoming that mental block could be the biggest challenge.
For feck sake just fire him already. We all know what he's going to do in the Euros. We'll get through the group stage then get to the knockouts and lose to the first decent team we face because he will set us up to play negatively.
The problem England have is learning how to win against the teams they've always traditionally failed against. The difference between England and France in the World Cup tie was that France knew they could win that kind of game, whereas England were hoping they could.
France had done it before, they knew they could do it and once you're used to winning, you find a way. Like we've seen United do time and time again in the past. It's that extra little bit of belief that success gives you and it's the hardest step to take.
England have such a deep rooted history of blowing it in important games, coming close, heroic failure, time and time again. Overcoming that mental block could be the biggest challenge.
I’m still baffled why he played Guehi and then brought on Maguire with l, Tomori and Colwill on the bench. This was a friendly, why not give them guys game time otherwise what’s the point of them being in the squad.
Is Nketiah the only player who didn't get a minute ?
Yeah, what you said is true but usually very good managers and elite ones will be managing top clubs isn't it. So the pool won't be bigger in terms of choice of managers.
Maybe someone like Potter but not sure how much impact he can have considering they will get very little time to train.
Btw if Southgate goes, who will be next manager? Would love to see someone like Potter.
What a waste of time for them...Tomori, Colwill and Johnstone didn’t either.
Not sure if Southgate is good or bad but he is in lose-lose situation no matter what happens (unless England win Euros with him as manager).
Win the game - Team is talented and they can win on auto mode
Lose the game or draw - He is shit.
Once he is gone, if the next manager does well - Proves how shit Southgate was
If the next manager does poorly - Southgate drained the talent and wasted Kane peak years, next manager doesn't have CF as good as Kane at his peak.
Unless he wins Euros, there is no win situation for him, especially on caf.
Not for me. With Kane the team lacks a threat in behind and Rashford is one of the best in world football off the shoulder.Grealish all day long over Rashford surely?
Doesn’t matter I guess. He won’t leave him out. He’s shown that as long as you’ve performed well for him in the past, you’ve got a place in his squad indefinitely.
As I’ve said previously, he has fallen into the same routine as other international managers. He knows he’s at the end of his own personal cycle and has no interest in investing any of his time in anything beyond that. Absolute cnut really.The right time for him to make changes to the squad was last year, immediately after the WC, going into the Nations League. Phase out the middlers and bring in potential, who have 2 years to prove their case before the Euros.
He's not making drastic changes to formation or setup. He's going to go with 2 conservative midfielders, which means one or both of Phillips/Henderson can rest easy. Maguire may lose his starting spot but Southgate may decide to play 3 CBs and with Mings out, White in purgatory and Tomori/Colwill unproven for England, Maguire is on that plane.
As I’ve said previously, he has fallen into the same routine as other international managers. He knows he’s at the end of his own personal cycle and has no interest in investing any of his time in anything beyond that. Absolute cnut really.
Southgate fan bois are weird.
It's all to In front of you without rashford. He makes it more difficult for the defense as a whole with his threat behind.Grealish all day long over Rashford surely?
Yep, even if he wins the Euros, i'd say there'd be a fair few "expecting" it, as a minimum, and would downplay it due to the squad. Definitely a lose - lose situation, but i guess it comes with the territory of managing such a talented squad. I'd say it's probably his lack of achievements in senior football management which will always count against him as some never deemed him worthy of the job. Not that that's necessarily a proxy of a good NT manager (look at Scaloni at Argentina).Not sure if Southgate is good or bad but he is in lose-lose situation no matter what happens (unless England win Euros with him as manager).
Win the game - Team is talented and they can win on auto mode
Lose the game or draw - He is shit.
Once he is gone, if the next manager does well - Proves how shit Southgate was
If the next manager does poorly - Southgate drained the talent and wasted Kane peak years, next manager doesn't have CF as good as Kane at his peak.
Unless he wins Euros, there is no win situation for him, especially on caf.
Wonder if there'd be this vitriol against him on a Manchester United forum if he was called Garaomius Eastgate.
He's getting a tad obstreperous.im Polish and i cannot stand Surpuerta. He misuses English squad and holds, what is a potentialy great Team, back
He's getting a tad obstreperous.
Already opted to play for PortugalHe can get lozenges for that