Come the summer he will only have a year left on his contract I think. Maybe we could get him for £20-30m? I'd never have allowed him to walk in the first place. I do think that we are lucky to have Mainoo though who can play the same role.Who much would it take ti sign him back?
England Discussion
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I laughed at the lineup immediately. Why the feck is Henderson even in the squad? I'm sure that went over great. There is no one else?
Surely the only people wanting him to stay are those that hate England? I can't see how anyone supporting England would want him to stay. He should've gone years ago but we're happy wasting a golden generation and another tournament on him for some reason. It's like we don't want to win stuff.
oh, thank you
What is the point of English football as a serious notion if the ‘manager’ is just going to mess it up to this degree?
Selecting players just because you like them over actual form is a recipe for failure.
And distrust.
Southgate has seriously pissed off a lot of players and fans
Selecting players just because you like them over actual form is a recipe for failure.
And distrust.
Southgate has seriously pissed off a lot of players and fans
With a serious manager, very likely. This England team has the quality to do it. Under Southgate? They'll end up faltering.
Southgate is the illustration of a manager with no ideas but one who plays the safest hand and hopes that sheer basics is enough to provide a foundation to win, only given if the opposition offers no complexity to their tactical approach or ideology.
Risk averse and very ordinary. The problem is the England's most dominant area of talent and volume of most significant players is the attacking phases. Rashford, Sterling, Saka, Kane, Grealish, Eze. Then behind the plethora of forward options you have Foden, Bellingham and Madison a spine in the orchestration of creativity.
Many of these players have either won or been on the peripheral of winning the very highest honours in the game. In hindsight it is a golden generation of players. The issue is with the profile of these players is they don't have the right manager to capitalise and make something of significance with the group.
The notion that Southgate has made them reach a final and citing the last major tournament win in the 60's as some justification is a fallacious argument. It has several of the same undertones of giving someone like Solskjaer, Mourinho or Moyes more time because Sir Alex had six years. Sometimes you have to judge things for what they are and the cycle of sport is opportunistic when it comes to development of players for a country, ten years ago we would have ruled that Spain would dominate the international forecast for the the foreseeable future and look how that panned out.
Risk averse and very ordinary. The problem is the England's most dominant area of talent and volume of most significant players is the attacking phases. Rashford, Sterling, Saka, Kane, Grealish, Eze. Then behind the plethora of forward options you have Foden, Bellingham and Madison a spine in the orchestration of creativity.
Many of these players have either won or been on the peripheral of winning the very highest honours in the game. In hindsight it is a golden generation of players. The issue is with the profile of these players is they don't have the right manager to capitalise and make something of significance with the group.
The notion that Southgate has made them reach a final and citing the last major tournament win in the 60's as some justification is a fallacious argument. It has several of the same undertones of giving someone like Solskjaer, Mourinho or Moyes more time because Sir Alex had six years. Sometimes you have to judge things for what they are and the cycle of sport is opportunistic when it comes to development of players for a country, ten years ago we would have ruled that Spain would dominate the international forecast for the the foreseeable future and look how that panned out.
Yes, such a failure. It's not like they are almost the first team to qualify or anything....
He is actually doing great. And resting tired PL players is always a good idea when you can.
Like last euros
That Maguire performance though...bundling over his own teammate to let the opposite score. Such an absolute clown of a player.
Yet we all know he is an indispensable starter come the next game for England.
Yet we all know he is an indispensable starter come the next game for England.
Well yeah, exactly. England should have won that match comfortably, and had he not retreated for the rest of the game after Shaw’s goal they probably would have.
He should have walked after the World Cup. He had a good go at it, but he isn’t the man to get the most out of these players.
He only gets away with it because he’s a dream with the media. Shite.
He only gets away with it because he’s a dream with the media. Shite.
Maguire was marking Guehi as Ukraine scored showing yet again why he shouldn’t be playing.
Henderson giving up competitive football but still starts in midfield because he’s a ‘leader’.
Bellingham played out of position to accommodate Maddison. I thought Maddison had a poor game but Southgate decides to take off Bellingham.
Phillips on the bench when he hasn’t played football for 2 years.
This was a manager who said very early on in his tenure he would play players based on form. Why has he reverted away from this? Maybe the likes of Maguire and Phillips would have found new clubs. Southgate may have got close in the Euros but he’s now making too many mistakes with basics like selection.
Henderson giving up competitive football but still starts in midfield because he’s a ‘leader’.
Bellingham played out of position to accommodate Maddison. I thought Maddison had a poor game but Southgate decides to take off Bellingham.
Phillips on the bench when he hasn’t played football for 2 years.
This was a manager who said very early on in his tenure he would play players based on form. Why has he reverted away from this? Maybe the likes of Maguire and Phillips would have found new clubs. Southgate may have got close in the Euros but he’s now making too many mistakes with basics like selection.
Only saw the highlights because life's too short to watch England outside of a tournament, Henderson looked so old, slow and in the way
Southgate's selection methods, tactics, negativity and fear is why we will never win anything under him.
Southgate's selection methods, tactics, negativity and fear is why we will never win anything under him.
Sick and tired of Southgate .…FA need to find their next ‘yes man’
We'll never win anything with him in charge. I'll die on that hill.
Did you actually see the goal or just the screenshots?
Eddie Howe when the Saudis dump him
Fair shout, can see the FA wanting him.
It will never happen but I’d like to see someone with more fire, screaming and going apeshit on the sidelines…. ie Tuchel or daresay it Klopp!
Done a decent job harmonising the squad but let’s face it, If we played a current shite Italy in a final today, on home turf, he’d still soil himself.
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Bellingham played where he always plays, it was Maddison who was moved.
And they were both subbed off at the same time.
This Euros will be the last chance Southgate gets at any silverware. The good thing is the core of the England team will still be there in the next world cup but may be too late for Harry Kane. Hopefully we get in a proper manager after Southgate, this England team is far too talented not to win a world cup.
Wish he’d feck off back to Gringott’s
on paper, only France squad is better.
He already blew his best chance. I’m not sure he’ll do any better in the upcoming Euro’s but the squad is strong enough to go deep in the tournament so it’s not out of the question.
I'm not taking a side in this one, but I do sympathise with Southgate. Even if we do win the Euros the fans would have us believe that we'd won it in spite of him. There isn't really any outcome where unfashionable Southgate gets seen as a credible manager, despite his results being more consistent than many others before him.
Put in your application. England needs an armchair manager now, its about time
Of course because what I’m implying is clearly that I should be England manager and not Southgate. I’ll just put in a swap request to do his job and have Gareth come and see patients and look at ecg’s all day because clearly if you think someone in a football role isn’t up to it then that means that you think you can do it better.
That’s a very sensible way to think.
Hate these kinds of posts.
His results are consistently shit against half decent opponents and whatever his predecessors did is irrelevant because they did nothing of note to begin with.
I hate the bashing of professional managers. " He is clueless " He is shit "
" Any other manager would win that game "
Armchair statements
Why was Bellingham playing practically as a CF in the 2nd half
Been playing there for Madrid.
England play absolutely abysmal football for the squad they have available.
So according to you nobody should be on this forum calling out any professional involved in football - journalist, player or a coach. Maybe even pundits aren't supposed to discuss any of the bs that happens in the game. Right?
You're right, the other ones before him were underwhelming sometimes, only him that is consistently underwhelming.
Southgate has got to be one of the most tactically inept managers in football. There are plenty of reasons given out in this thread as to why he is a poor manager.
England most of the time have always had a sold record in qualifying and then failed at tournaments. Southgate was blessed with 2 tournaments where he had relatively simple runs to the latter stages but then lost when met against decent opposition. His tactical choices in matches are diabolical. If we were more positive, we would have beaten Italy. Against France in the last WC, we didn't play too bad but he decided to leave the top scorer on the bench. Fans are frustrated because you feel England have the best group of players with only France ahead and we will let this opportunity pass us by.
A professional football manager once played David James up front in a Premier League match. Being a professional doesn't necessarily mean you have a clue.
If you couldn't criticise the decisions of professionals (players, managers, referees), there'd be no forum.
I'm not convinced either way really. I think what Southgate does well is set up the team to have very solid foundations and be difficult to beat. That's getting us deep in tournaments. What he hasn't been able to display is that plan B piece of tactical nous that turns a tight France game into a win.
I get that he receives criticism for that. I'm not saying that's wrong. I do feel though that if we get someone in who is a little more tactically adventurous, we increase the risk of an Iceland-like humiliation, but then perhaps we also increase the chance that we do start winning those tight games. It's a trade off.
What Southgate deserves credit for (often overlooked IMO) is that his squads have gone into tournaments without the usual circus, and without looking overloaded with the pressure of expectation we love to put onto the team.
I'm wary of rushing into change taking those factors into account. Many more tactically savvy managers have failed to deliver that. It's taken for granted now.