Kane missed the penalty, not Southgate.
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Kane missed the penalty, not Southgate.
Would have been interesting to see, but had Kanté been available and fully fit, I believe France would’ve comfortably beaten Argentina.
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He also chooses players who aren’t always doing particularly well, in poor form or have been dropped by their clubs.
Morocco had more possession, more corners, more passes and the same amount of shots on goal. Considering Morocco were huge underdogs, they carried the play.
France were underwhelming all tournament and England fecked up by not going for the jugular.
And Mbappe was France's best player and after messi was the best player at the tournament.
I guess that means Rashford and Maguire as well as certain Chelsea players
He’s the right man to keep Maguire’s transfer value up.
What if the new owner sees Southgate as their Graham Potter?
Would love an England manager that would just go balls to the wall with the current group of players....Kane up top with Foden in behind and flanked by Rashford and Saka. That would be truly frightening...
Yeah and would mean we are letting opposition worry about us rather than other way round
You're right but 2nd pen was a gift. 180 iq Southgate didnt force that defender's error.
Saka and Rashford were criminally misused for the whole tournament even though they were in form. It's not like players were the ones with self belief issue here.
This country has a weird and very rigid definition of success.
I suspect quire a fee of his predecessors would have won the euros given the same circumstances and group of players, and I suspect most wouldn't favour picking their mates/favourites over picking their best players
In before the pushback where the usual folks come in screaming about him being England's second best ever manager and how no one could do a better job
The Southgate quote shows that he does not watch football. Rashford was looking good pre world cup for United, its a shame Southgate doesn't understand football.
If he thought Foden and Sterling were in better form, even in the world cup, he was definitely smoking something.
Its weird because teams hate when players run at them, even when Saka was running at their full back, it felt like a LW that would run at Kounde would have caused problems.
If he thought Foden and Sterling were in better form, even in the world cup, he was definitely smoking something.
Its weird because teams hate when players run at them, even when Saka was running at their full back, it felt like a LW that would run at Kounde would have caused problems.
Southgate wouldn’t know how to assemble an attacking side if it bit him on the @rse. It’s just not in his nature to go in and pin the opposition down, even with world class talent at his disposal. Expect more of the same for the next few years.
That quote looks worse when you remember how fecked the Sterling situation was
Imagine an in form Saka on one wing, an in form Rashford on the other, and Kane through the middle.
I mean why would any even remotely competent manager not automatically pick this? Kane picks himself, Saka too given the other options on the right, amd Rashford's pace and directness on its own forces opposition teams to either change their approach or risk getting opened up every time they lose the ball.
You also don't put someone on the pitch in a fecking quarter final who wasn't even in the country all week, only came back just before the game, and is in consistently worse form than anyone else in that position anyway. I mean you just don't do this, do you? It's not even about being competent at that point it's about a manager favouring people for irrelevant personal reasons over the best people to do a job, and it's an automatic sacking in any job, in any sport or profession. It makes me furious whenever I think about it.
And in the last tournament he sent a teenager up to take the most important penty in the history of English football, AFTER deliberately playing for penalties despite having a bench full of very good game changing options. And also wastes two of those subs to bring on penalty takers who both missed. Then has very little to say in defence of any of them when they got all the criticism and abuse despite it being, literally entirely, his fault....and now he's whining because people criticised him for us losing 4-0 to Hungary, as if somehow this isnt something that merits any criticism. I mean it's nit just bad it's farcical/comical
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Agreed.
It is actually not just the fault of Southgate, the FA are to blame for this, giving Southgate so much power and almost an air of invincibility. Its almost as if they have told him, the job is yours until you dont want it.
How can a manager fail so badly, yet be celebrated because they got to the quarter final? When has he ever beat a team where England are not favourites?
He bowed down to the pressure of pundits and fans saying Foden needs to play because he is the most talented player but then went onto say, Foden can't play CAM because he doesnt play there for his club.
England need a progressive manager that will use the tools to his advantage.
Who sets up defensively, in a counter attacking style, then proceeds to play a build up winger instead of one who can get in behind.
It was really a sackable offence, shame that England only want to participate in tournaments not try win it.
He's a nice guy, would do well running a community centre or youth club...but he's not a good football manager.
He's got a nice friendly manner with the media and picks some good PR opportunities....but copying what other good managers do isn't enough to inspire a team
He's loyal to some players in spite of their form...which might be ok if he was a tactical genius and gave them a special job to do...but he has the tactical brain of a sunday league coach
He's humble and heaps blame on himself in interviews....apart from when he makes up stuff about other players to defend why he didn't play them
He's cheaper than paying for a proper coach with a proven record in international management....so the FA love him
The England Women's team shows up the men's team by ....Hiring the best international coach available...who....Plays a variety of systems and adapts mid game to change formations if it's not working. She plays direct attacking football and is not afraid to go for broke and commit extra bodies into attack. She has developed a great team spirit and a will to win amongst a group of players from different teams. She has also not been afraid to drop players if their workrate drops or if they just arent the right player for the tactics she needs in the game.
But FA will not change anything - they have a "safe pair of hands" in Southgate after all the mess ups of the past... 10 more years of hurt incoming!
He's got a nice friendly manner with the media and picks some good PR opportunities....but copying what other good managers do isn't enough to inspire a team
He's loyal to some players in spite of their form...which might be ok if he was a tactical genius and gave them a special job to do...but he has the tactical brain of a sunday league coach
He's humble and heaps blame on himself in interviews....apart from when he makes up stuff about other players to defend why he didn't play them
He's cheaper than paying for a proper coach with a proven record in international management....so the FA love him
The England Women's team shows up the men's team by ....Hiring the best international coach available...who....Plays a variety of systems and adapts mid game to change formations if it's not working. She plays direct attacking football and is not afraid to go for broke and commit extra bodies into attack. She has developed a great team spirit and a will to win amongst a group of players from different teams. She has also not been afraid to drop players if their workrate drops or if they just arent the right player for the tactics she needs in the game.
But FA will not change anything - they have a "safe pair of hands" in Southgate after all the mess ups of the past... 10 more years of hurt incoming!
I dislike him so, so much. His lack of self awareness is insane.
I don't even think he is. He's bland and inoffensive, but I don't think he's particularly nice.
Perhaps they would have but they didn't manage it with the teams that they managed and it's not like they didn't have the talent to do so, England have underperformed at virtually all major tournaments since they won the WC in 1966.
Is Southgate a great manager - nope, he's made plenty of mistakes but the one good strength is that he's put together a squad that plays like a team rather than 11 individuals, he just needs to be braver now in his team selection
Exactly. After Allardyce and Sampson they wouldn’t dare hire a (pre midlife crisis) Mourinho, for example.
But it’s not just that he is inoffensive, Gareth Halfwit is on full shop window display to show how a dreadful Middlesbrough manager can make it to International tournament finals by simply being “educated” at St George’s. He is literally a walking advertisement for them and they simply cannot sack him or admit they got things wrong.
It was a gift, that Kane didn't use.
You can cry about Southgate being a mediocre manager all you want (he is), but Kane wasted the chance to equalize, not Southgate.
Possession doesn't mean shit, Spain had more possession than Morocco and did nothing with it, same for corners...what even is this logic.
Morocco didn't carry anything, they were toothless most of the game cause their midfield was shit going forward, and only had good 10 minutes in the second half.
Idc if they were underdogs or not, they didn't carry the play, and somehow you forgot the 2 big chances missed by Giroud before the 10 good minutes that Morocco had to equalize, that could have killed the game, and also the shot on post that France had.
Typical bias, forgetting(on purpose) the big chances missed by the other team as if they don't count, and only talking about how the team you wanted to win missed chances.
Sorry, but you are the only one here who thinks that Morocco carried anything or outplayed France, they looked toothless, and thank god they lost, underdog or not their shithousing was annoying enough against Spain and Portugal.
Sorry, but for me Griezmann was as good as Mbappe for France(except in the final), i watch the games not just check SofaScore to see who scored.
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Kante is done at top football, his injuries won't let him comeback properly.
Kante 2016 would have definitely been an upgrade over Tchouameni, but the WC was in 2022.
Yeah you’re right, his legs have gone and he’s a shadow of the player he once was.
Due to the integrity of their role, most defensive midfielders succumb to injury and exhaustion sooner than other outfield players.
He hasn't done that though. England don't really play like a team or have any real style or identity. They have a very good set of players of who few if any have massive out of control egos, and who are nearly all also very hard working and very well conditioned due to being well coached at club level.
I don't get why people are so determined to give Southgate credit that should be given for the most part to the players.
He doesn't get this England team to play better than its individual capability. He doesn't get it to over achieve.
What he dies is make idiotic errors, talk a lot of shite (far far too much shite), and refuse to pick his best players because he wants to favour some people over others. He is a detriment to the team.
I'm not really sure why other England managers are even relevant. They haven't all had great crops of players to choose from. In some cases they have had to select teams where people like Peter Crouch, Andy Carrol or Gareth Barry are first choice options, and have had to manage situations like their captain being an egotistical racist who is protected by the FA and has shahged his team mates wifes. The scenarios aren't remotely comparable at all. And even so, how bad other England managers are has zero impact on how bad Southgate is. It isn't going to magically make him better because someone else might have been worse.
Maguire and Phillips both called up. 
Jordan Henderson too.Maguire and Phillips both called up.
Such a weak feeble manager.
Utterly pathetic
Maguire was always going to get called up.
Who were people expecting to get called up ahead of him exactly?
I imagine that'll be the side.
Who were people expecting to get called up ahead of him exactly?
Pickford
Walker - Maguire - Colwill - Chilwell
Trent - Rice - Bellingham
Saka - Kane - Rashford
Walker - Maguire - Colwill - Chilwell
Trent - Rice - Bellingham
Saka - Kane - Rashford
I imagine that'll be the side.
He's got zero backbone
Wow Southgate what a absolute muppet to bring in a Maguire who has not played 1 min of PL football this season. What kind of signal does that send?
Southgate did his part. We dropped the ball.
There are enough CBs there and players like Walker capable of being a CB in a three that you could have called up another player that isn’t a CB to the squad.
Maguire
Phillips
Henderson
Phillips
Henderson
Kalvin fekin Philips. Has he kicked the ball once last season?
Imagine picking Kalvin Phillips, what a moron.
Gives us all faint hopes of a call up. We are as much footballers as Kalvin Phillips.
But England aren't going to play a 3.
I could understand the outrage if he was keeping someone really good out the squad, but he's not. Englands CB options are average.