So stupid.
England Cricket 2016 - Sri Lanka & Pakistan
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What an awful shot. England have been terrible. So many cheap wickets given away.
What an earth was that from Ali? Should be dropped for the next match off the back of that shot.
Despite the inevitable defeat, I'm just excited we have a proper test series on our hands.
This England batting lineup is in a right pickle, needs 2 quality batsmen at 3 and 5 I feel.
Thats it for Mooen for me.
Ironically, bowled the best he has in ages last innings, but his batting is a joke. No where near the standard he should be and far too loose.
Don't think he has much between the ears.
Ironically, bowled the best he has in ages last innings, but his batting is a joke. No where near the standard he should be and far too loose.
Don't think he has much between the ears.
Old Trafford will be a corker.
What do we reckon then, Stokes, Anderson and Rashid in for Finn, Ball and Ali?
Yeah I agree with you. Not delivered enough in ample opportunities to do so.
Woakes, Broad and Bairstow can still get these if the play a bit sensibly rather than trying to play like a onedayer.
Definitely, need to just take it 10 runs at a time and once the target gets below 100 runs to get the atmosphere around the game completely changes.
If they fully fit, Stokes, Wood & Anderson for Vince, Finn and Ball
Problem is the field won't be one day-like.
Don't like dropping Ball after his test debut, even if he wasn't spectacular.
Wood just played his first T20 the other day and he's not playing in the Durham 4 day game so I think he's going to brought along slowly in time for the Asia Tour where his ability to reverse it will be very useful.
.Seems like a seamer overkill otherwise, if Stokes comes in for say Vince, then you'd have 5 seamers and 1 spinner. Considering they're all right arm quicks I don't like that.
Oh I get that completely. I just don't like the idea of dropping someone after a debut. As far as the series goes, it's no doubt the right thing to do, though.
For me, probably, Borthwick, Anderson, A.N Spinner, for Vince, Mooen, and Finn.
I don't really think the problem is the players though, necessarily, its the coaching. Bayliss has done incredibly well, and a large part of that is the brand of cricket, but whoever comes in, especially in the middle order, gets out playing the same way.
Ali won't be dropped, especially since he bowled well in the 2nd innings.
It'll be Anderson and Stokes for Ball and Finn.
With Stokes coming in, there won't be as much pressure on Ali's batting.
It'll be Anderson and Stokes for Ball and Finn.
With Stokes coming in, there won't be as much pressure on Ali's batting.
Yasir should switch ends like Warney said. Rahat's bowling wide shite in this spell.
Yeah I'd like Root back at 4 to be honest, Borthwick coming in would help that. I wonder if they fancy putting Bairstow in as a specialist batsman and bringing in a specialist wicketkeeper, with Woakes and Stokes likely to be in the strongest XI there's space for one.
Well Bairstow (so far) and Woakes all test have had the right idea of how to bat, so I don't think it's all on Bayliss. Again with the positive mindset, I think the English batsmen need to work on shot selection. You can be positive in other ways than trying to score boundaries, even in leaving the ball and just rotating the strike. The Root, Hales, Vince and Ali dismissals have nothing to do with coaching, just piss poor shots.
This Rahat guy is a bit crap. How'd we give 3 wickets to him.
I wouldn't be so sure.
Ali clearly has problems this year with the ball, and the amount of patience with him is clearly decreasing - leading to him being dropped in the ODI's against Sri Lanka.
The most important thing is over-rate though, there's a high chance that Cook will be banned next test because of how shit our over-rate has been, with the primary cause of this being that Ali gets murdered when the ball isn't spinning. Getting the captain banned isn't a great way to endear yourself to the team.
I'm not a huge fan of Rashid at all, but he ran through this Pakistani side in the UAE when the ball turned, and from what I've seen of him in the ODI side this summer his control has improved.
Given how Ali's batted this summer (150 at 6 aside) Rashid probably would strengthen the batting too.
It's symptomatic of the types of players they're picking, I've never been a huge fan of using the ODI side as a path into the Test team, but I do think it comes from above. I'm obviously not saying that Bayliss instructs Ali to go through with a dirty slog into the leg side even when he's nowhere near the ball, but the prevailing wisdom from above is 'hit yourself out of trouble', if you get in a rough patch hit the accelerator, and to put pressure on the other team by scoring quickly. There's nothing wrong with that necessarily, but players shouldn't just be given carte blanche to feck up doing the same stupid things over and over again in the name of aggression. Cricket is a game played between the ears as much as it is on the field, and I think this team is too quick to go to brawn over brain at all times.
Good session of cricket. Pakistan slightly ahead but England still in this.
England throwing wickets away rather than spectacular bowling. Really poor from England.
I think it's a learning process, with that style of cricket and the consistent turnover of players who are playing within the side then mistakes will occur. I still think it's the right idea and right way to play cricket but you need fundamentals and smarts to back it up, something I do not feel this side has a lot of. I think the prevailing wisdom from the top is more so to tell players to go and play their natural games but I agree they do seem to keep choosing players whose natural game leaves a lot to be desired and when they do pick someone like say Compton, the management do seem to make a point about scoring rates and such which actually stops someone like Compton playing their natural game.
Every summer England keep adding 1 or 2 pieces to a really excellent side, the emergence of Woakes and Bairstow are really important I think. The core of this side is excellent but is too reliant on specific batsmen to perform. I think England are just in a bit of a funk with batting talent at the moment, there's some good talent about but they probably aren't ready for test cricket. I am not convinced by guys like Hales, Vince and Ballance.
Losing James Taylor to his heart condition was a bit of an bummer as he would surely be a better option than some of the guys in our batting line up.
I don't really disagree with you. But take Hales for example. Sure, he plays aggressively, and always has, and thats going to get you out at times. But when he gets out three times in a row playing the same daft shot and slogging spinners against Sri Lanka I just don't think the instructions coming from the top to tell him to chill out.
You'd hope players would have the smarts to work it out themselves, but I think the 'play your natural game' mantra isn't really helping and its sort of entrenched the mindset that its ok to be stupid, as long as its in the name of aggression.
It has. But Taylor's become a bit over-rated in his absence. He played something like 7 tests, averaged mid-20s and had never scored a hundred. He was a better player than that, but he needed runs as much as anyone.
Rahat needs to come out of the attack.
Ffs Wahab on his final warning. Actually bowling well but needs to come out of the attack as we can't lose him.
No luck for Wahab. Great spell of bowling this.
England chipping away here. Slowly becoming favorites again.
Are England actually going to win this?
No.
These two look about as comfortable as a puritan at a swingers party Finn and Ball have never been able to bat, and Broad has forgotten how to. When this wicket comes its game over.
They're really not.
Fair enough, but maybe if Bairstow hangs around there's a chance. But at least I think they'll be able to keep the game going until tomorrow.