Why lampard? if it's for his last appearance just sub him in at the end.
England at World Cup 2014
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Why lampard? if it's for his last appearance just sub him in at the end.
I am absolutely done supporting England with Hodgson in charge. He isn't the only problem, the entire FA is as well, but with him leading the squad nothing will change. It really is the David Moyes situation over again and thanks to our xenophobic media because he is a respectable and likable southern English try-hard he gets a truly unbelievably easy ride. Regards this bizzare squad selection (treating the world cup like a friendly against the reserves or something) I think Roy is covering his back, if he loses and we have 3 defeats (very possible) then he can point to this squad and say why. I hope they get absolutely mullered and Hodgson fecks off. It won't happen, this clown is the second best paid manager in world football. Absolute joke and I honestly give up, going to support the England Rugby team now.
Yeah absolutely. Expect to see Gerrard being trotted out for another two years as well.
Kind of pissed off that Rooney didn't get to start up top on his own for once. Other than that, it's an ok team, but it seems like it could lack some balance.
Looking forward to seeing Smalling, Jones, Barkley and Shaw.
Incredible logic, or should I say illogic.
I Know! It seems as if, the management are loving it so much they just want to extend our misery as well hehe
Looking again at this group, there's no way England should have finished last.
Heard a joke about Arsenal fans celebrating England finishing fourth.
Pretty funny actually.
Pretty funny actually.
How did England end up with Gerrard and Lampard finishing the tournament in centre midfield? 
Aye, a bright new dawn emerging....
Aye, a bright new dawn emerging....
Shearer is furious. Handbags in the studio with him, Savage and Murphy.
"I'm pleased we gave the fans something to cheer about with our performance. We outplayed them in midfield."
Six more years, please.
Six more years, please.
So i just watched England's game. They payed with young team, without Rooney, 3 in midfield. And? It was completely shite. A dry game, minimal chances, most of them created from dead balls.
So in the end of the day England only scored when Rooney was involved. I wonder why is that?
I don't know about bright new dawn, i am not sure these young players can step up and win at international stage. I m also not sure Hodgson understands what kind of the team he wants to built and how to built it.
So in the end of the day England only scored when Rooney was involved. I wonder why is that?
I don't know about bright new dawn, i am not sure these young players can step up and win at international stage. I m also not sure Hodgson understands what kind of the team he wants to built and how to built it.
Lampard was in that midfield.So i just watched England's game. They payed with young team, without Rooney, 3 in midfield. And? It was completely shite. A dry game, minimal chances, most of them created from dead balls.
So in the end of the day England only scored when Rooney was involved. I wonder why is that?
I don't know about bright new dawn, i am not sure these young players can step up and win at international stage. I m also not sure Hodgson understands what kind of the team he wants to built and how to built it.
And he was the best english player today probably. Or one of the better ones, which proves my point. Front line of Barkley, Sturridge, Wilshere, Lallana was poor.
John Stones needs be fast tracked into the starting 11 after watching this world cup. Smalling and Jagielka treat the ball like a bomb and Cahill thinks he can play but in reality he is not as half as good as he thinks. Ever since Rio was phased out we haven't had a ball playing centre back and I believe Stones will go onto be one of the best in the league whiles being excellent on the ball for a centre back.
So I got my prediction right, two losses and a draw.
I believe there's a couple of posters from the England Vs Italy thread that need to be tucking into some humble pie as well.
I believe there's a couple of posters from the England Vs Italy thread that need to be tucking into some humble pie as well.
Lallana is no forward line player, he's essentially a slight setup from Milner, a worker with some creativity(Milner has none), playing both against Costa Rica was insanity...regardless of the importance of the game. Needed some other players for Wilshere and Barkley to aim for.
I'm sticking with wanting Oxlade in a midfield 3, or even 2 though.
I'm sticking with wanting Oxlade in a midfield 3, or even 2 though.
Is this the thread where Roy Hodgson and Greg Dyke start to feel responsible and finally resign? Or do they need to be pointed towards the Italy-thread first?
can you imagine someone saying back in June "nah, England and Italy both eliminated AND Costa Rica will end up first"
laugh riot, madness
laugh riot, madness
We don't have mediocre players and never have, England have produced some fantastic individual players in last 10 years, how shite England have been as a collective in that same time frame are 2 totally different subjects and should not be linked. Bottom line is, I'm sick of hater country's bashing England for no reason other than its England and I'm sick of boring unpatriotic negative Englishmen sticking the boot in along with them BUT would have been the first to
should England have been successful this year.
It's easy to criticize in failure, but what is wrong with Roy Hodgson's team really? Before the competition everyone looked at it and said 'that's a good side' (on paper) and how they played on the pitch proved it was a good side and nothing too much wrong with it other than possibly experience (which will come).
I say stick prime Rio and John Terry and this England team and possibly Paul Scholes and we would have had a fantastic side, so whats that 3 players?
Costa Rica are through, but everyone with half of brain cell and slight knowledge on football know they aren't better than England and what the games against Uruguay and Italy showed me is those sides aren't better than us either even though the results never went England's way.
Euro 12, England went out in the quarter finals on a penalty shoot-out but it was a terrible competition/England played dire and there was seemingly no light at the end of the tunnel in terms of future, 2 years later ok we've lost both our World Cup games and are out at the first hurdle but we are optimistic by what I've seen and that seems to be general opinion by people in country other than folk on the Red Cafe, why?
England went out but playing great attacking football, something we've not seem since 2004, taking it to other teams, producing exciting youngsters, SHOWING PROGRESS, so all this progress in 2 years, why do we keep hearing the same shite and negativity?
Bore off.
I'd love a piece of your delusion, mate. Every day must feel like Christmas Day to you. Good for you!Congratulations; this was the WORST WC ever by the english national team
if Hogdson had any shame, he would resign tomorrow
if Hogdson had any shame, he would resign tomorrow
Now, now. It's the taking part that counts!
Why so anti-Hogdson?
Apart from Ashley Cole everyone said he took the best we had. We just aren't up to it. Same as Italy and many others.
It will also have brought a lot of people back down to earth about the quality of our youth. They maybe good in the PL, but they will be shown up at the European championships just as they were in Brazil. The likes of Sterling, lots of effort, but very little quality and as many have said on various forums, doesn't have a much footballing intellect.
Being a manager is a bit more than just assembling the squad.
It's more about how he used the players he had. As United fans, we all know how different managers can do to the same exact set of players.
I hope Italy's back to back first round exits put this into perspective, and they don't focus on like 15 sports like England do. Despite that, we also looked like we had a brighter future than them too, although their vets are better suited to their team than ours....that's management.
This group and the World Cup was there for the taking for us. But for a better manager, we could have faced Greece in the Round of 16, Netherlands in the quarter-finals, and from there onwards it's all about getting the tactics right which for Roy Hodgson is alien.
I would say its more of having no visionary player in the team.
Sterling's intelligent movement helps him in getting into goalscoring position and create space but his vision is next to zero, almost like running into a blind alley.
Barkley has zero intelligence and vision, all flairs with nothing to show while Wilshere has little endproduct, same with Lallana. Sturridge is selfish and Welbeck is all good movement with nothing to show for it. Rooney is all longball with zero intelligence and has no throughballs in him as a no 10. Whatzup with England producing players with poor football intelligence and vision?
And to cap it all, England has no player capable of controlling the tempo of a game.
Inspite of this, the fans continue to overrate their players and laud their talents, just like someone on this forum was saying Manutd should fork out 40-50 mil for Barkley... Jeez!
Many people don't seem to get this for some reason and I'm not sure why.
I don't think we've done well at all. There's some weird optimism about the way we've played and it's baffling to me because we have been comprehensively dumped out of the tournament and never even looked like winning games. It was almost like watching us last season in some ways, as if we had gone onto the pitch without any kind of game plan.
After the friendlies before the World Cup I predicted that we'd end up with 0 points and I believe that if Costa Rica needed to win we'd have lost today. Our form since we qualified for the World Cup has been miserable (L-L-W-W-D-D-L-L-D) and I think the management need to take some form of responsibility for this ineptness.
I think we really may need to find a coach, with an ability to maximize what is at his disposal. i,e players who are willing but ultimately limited, although I do see a some improvement over the so called golden generation. We need the team playing more than the sum of it's parts. To wait for the players to develop into world beaters is basically to wait for something that won't happen in my lifetime (and I'm 37) so hiring a coach like Mourinho, or a Van Gaal is the only way I can see us succeeding getting into the semis or better at tournaments. Playing to our strengths, fast attacking football like we see in the Premiership,but with some brain behind it. Ok, so it's not going to be the technical, cultured football you see some playing, but it doesn't mean it can't be successful. The coach will have a way of playing and those in and around the squad can practice this away from the official get togethers. They can learn the patterns the coach sets out, defensively and in attack. Over time, we will be proud of our national team, instead of moaning all the time. I hate to criticize the team we support but to ignore our failings would be our the biggest disservice. Hodgson, as much as I think is a decent guy, should go.
its crazy how england does produce fantastic players for club football yet are crap internationally.
are these great club players simply not good enough to play at a world cup? i'd say that they are good enough to advance out of the group stage, so its very frustrating that they fail so much.
i thought it was a good idea that foreign coaches were tried in the past, i applauded that at the time. however that wasn't that successful i don't think? although didn't sven end up with a good record, i can't recall?
imo england should copy european nations who are successful. from the ground up, from schoolboy level right up.
why else does france, the netherlands, and others, produce more talented players? its obviously not litterally in their DNA, so that only leaves skills that are learnt from day one of playing football.
also futsol should be really pushed too.
there was a brazillian player being interviewed yesterday and he said one of the reasons european countries lag behind brazil is because they don't play futsol to a high level.
its played with a heavier ball and you learn lots of skills from playing it.
are these great club players simply not good enough to play at a world cup? i'd say that they are good enough to advance out of the group stage, so its very frustrating that they fail so much.
i thought it was a good idea that foreign coaches were tried in the past, i applauded that at the time. however that wasn't that successful i don't think? although didn't sven end up with a good record, i can't recall?
imo england should copy european nations who are successful. from the ground up, from schoolboy level right up.
why else does france, the netherlands, and others, produce more talented players? its obviously not litterally in their DNA, so that only leaves skills that are learnt from day one of playing football.
also futsol should be really pushed too.
there was a brazillian player being interviewed yesterday and he said one of the reasons european countries lag behind brazil is because they don't play futsol to a high level.
its played with a heavier ball and you learn lots of skills from playing it.
England don't make bad players, they make very very good and in plenty of cases world class players, but what they do make is dumb players. And I'm not talking about lads who couldn't pass their eleven plus or get a GCSE, I mean that they have no tactical intelligence or ability to assess a game as it's unfolding, and to adjust to it. The stuff about England players being technically inferior is a nonsense - England are just as good technically as all but a couple of teams, but the players don't make intelligent runs, don't look for sensible passes (as opposed to the English staple of the Hollywood ball or the lump up to the big man) and can't spot problems and work out ways of solving them. And they're useless at picking open defensively solid sides who sit back and stay compact. And not only are they useless at that but they also seem to have developed a new trend on top of this of being incredibly vulnerable to simple counters, despite having a fast defence.
Totally agree with your comments. But you also have to admit that half the team was first team players for Liverpool that had, for them, an exceptional season. At the WC, it looked like they had never played together before. I don't actually believe that anyone thought Stevie Me could have played that bad, especially as he was supposed to be the born leader we apparently needed. Welbeck and Rooney just continued their poor form, Baines looked totally lost at this level, Hart continued his decline (been on the slide for the last 2 seasons). So pretty much piss poor footballers at this level.
As for the manager, ignoring the last game which was probably the worst and a non-event, the England team probably had more clear cut chances in the games against Italy and Uruguay than they have had in the last 5 or 6 years in international matches. So the ability to attack was there. We never really expected to qualify with Italy and Uruguay in our group. The performances from our so called star players was the cause of our downfall.
A lot of managers have resigned already.
But not Hodgson!...
Surprise?
But not Hodgson!...
Surprise?
I see Prandelli has handed his resignation in and just said it was his fault they didn't get through the group, he chose a plan, it didn't work so he has accepted responsibility and resigned.
Hodgson has done nothing in both tournaments he has managed us in, and performed worse in this one, despite it being entirely his team and tactics. Roy has failed in every big job he has had and really shouldn't be in charge of the national team. I can't recall if he has ever resigned for the top jobs, I am under the impression he has been fired rather than him accepting responsibility and leaving.
"The simple answer is I have never considered resigning and I never will." - When he was at Liverpool.
England wil not show any form of progression with him incharge for sure, and it seems the media just cant see it at all, same when he was with Liverpool. Its bizzarre how alot of seemingly intelligent folk are blinded by this mans utter mediocrity.
"I'm pleased we gave the fans something to cheer about with our performance. We outplayed them in midfield."
That quote almost takes me back to the bad old days when he was our manager.
"I'm pleased we gave the fans something to cheer about with our performance. We outplayed them in midfield."
That quote almost takes me back to the bad old days when he was our manager.
You forgot Liverpool not only had Countinho/Allen in midfield to support Gerard and help in the playmaking dept but also, had Suarez as the creative force, who helped in organizing their attacks. These two major forces contributed to Liverpool's dominance last season.
Tbh, Henderson was quite good in the tourny. He was the only midfielder out of all the CM England paraded that made intelligent runs and incisive passing eventhough he isn't as talented as others. Lampard also had a decent game against Costa rica but all the other midfielders were just brainless and shit.