England at World Cup 2014

Totally agree with your comments. But you also have to admit that half the team was first team players for Liverpool that had, for them, an exceptional season. At the WC, it looked like they had never played together before. I don't actually believe that anyone thought Stevie Me could have played that bad, especially as he was supposed to be the born leader we apparently needed. Welbeck and Rooney just continued their poor form, Baines looked totally lost at this level, Hart continued his decline (been on the slide for the last 2 seasons). So pretty much piss poor footballers at this level.

As for the manager, ignoring the last game which was probably the worst and a non-event, the England team probably had more clear cut chances in the games against Italy and Uruguay than they have had in the last 5 or 6 years in international matches. So the ability to attack was there. We never really expected to qualify with Italy and Uruguay in our group. The performances from our so called star players was the cause of our downfall.
You forgot Liverpool not only had Countinho/Allen in midfield to support Gerard and help in the playmaking dept but also, had Suarez as the creative force, who helped in organizing their attacks. These two major forces contributed to Liverpool's dominance last season.
Tbh, Henderson was quite good in the tourny. He was the only midfielder out of all the CM England paraded that made intelligent runs and incisive passing eventhough he isn't as talented as others. Lampard also had a decent game against Costa rica but all the other midfielders were just brainless and shit.
 
Totally agree with your comments. But you also have to admit that half the team was first team players for Liverpool that had, for them, an exceptional season. At the WC, it looked like they had never played together before. I don't actually believe that anyone thought Stevie Me could have played that bad, especially as he was supposed to be the born leader we apparently needed. Welbeck and Rooney just continued their poor form, Baines looked totally lost at this level, Hart continued his decline (been on the slide for the last 2 seasons). So pretty much piss poor footballers at this level.

As for the manager, ignoring the last game which was probably the worst and a non-event, the England team probably had more clear cut chances in the games against Italy and Uruguay than they have had in the last 5 or 6 years in international matches. So the ability to attack was there. We never really expected to qualify with Italy and Uruguay in our group. The performances from our so called star players was the cause of our downfall.
You forgot Liverpool not only had Countinho/Allen in midfield to support Gerard and help in the playmaking dept but also, had Suarez as the creative force, who helped in organizing their attacks. These two major forces contributed to Liverpool's dominance last season.
Tbh, Henderson was quite good in the tourny. He was the only midfielder out of all the CM England paraded that made intelligent runs and incisive passing eventhough he isn't as talented as others. Lampard also had a decent game against Costa rica but all the other midfielders were just brainless and shit.
 
Its a shame England is having a bad run because the fans that travel to these competitions in other countries are always fantastic. A world cup or Euro champs without England fans lacks something special and England leaving Brazil early is going to take away a little bit of atmosphere that goes along with England fans.
 
England would have had to have been exceptional to get through a group with two Latin teams in a South American world cup, they were not close to exceptional as we saw.
 
Its a shame England is having a bad run because the fans that travel to these competitions in other countries are always fantastic. A world cup or Euro champs without England fans lacks something special and England leaving Brazil early is going to take away a little bit of atmosphere that goes along with England fans.

I dont agree, for example Euro 2008 was without England and it was a great tournament. I wont even notice there's no England around once last 16 starts.
 
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So i just watched England's game. They payed with young team, without Rooney, 3 in midfield. And? It was completely shite. A dry game, minimal chances, most of them created from dead balls.
So in the end of the day England only scored when Rooney was involved. I wonder why is that?:smirk:

I don't know about bright new dawn, i am not sure these young players can step up and win at international stage. I m also not sure Hodgson understands what kind of the team he wants to built and how to built it.
Also only game we got a point.
 
I think I hate Hodgson more than I hate Moyes, and I am not even a keen fan of the English national team, but I always like to the United players succeed.

He is the absolute epitome of a charlatan and a coward. Scared of the high reputation older players and manipulates the fans into believing his utterly pathetic excuses. Playing Rooney out of position was an absolute disgrace, as was including Lampard in the squad, who offers nothing at this age. Gerrard as the side's only deep-lying midfielder was a sickening shambles, Liverpool were brilliant going forward but woeful defensively last season (50 goals conceded), and Hodgson did not even play Gerrard in the same role as Liverpool did. He played alongside Henderson, instead of deeper, with Henderson and another energetic midfielder providing support and options. Hodgson cowered to the demands of clueless fans and threw in youth and attacking players without a clue of a tactical plan. Sturridge was absolutely abominable in that match against Costa Rica. Missed about 20 chances, should have been sent off for a hideous challenge, and committed a pathetic dive. Yet we hear nothing from anyone, Rooney plays a superb match against Uruguay and an effective one against Italy, and there is agenda-driven micro-analysis of ridiculous incidents and deliberate ignorance of his contributions.

It was a mirror of watching Moyes' United. Play as many attacking players as possible and hope for the best. No tactical plan, no style of play. It was bobbins, absolutely bobbins.

England do not have fantastic group of players, but they are not poor. Definitely one of the better sides. But in actuality, perhaps the worst. Nothing will change until a progressive coach is appointed. Now it is prehistoric football and a manager scared of his players and the fans.
 
Sturridge was absolutely abominable in that match against Costa Rica. Missed about 20 chances, should have been sent off for a hideous challenge, and committed a pathetic dive. Yet we hear nothing from anyone, Rooney plays a superb match against Uruguay and an effective one against Italy, and there is agenda-driven micro-analysis of ridiculous incidents and deliberate ignorance of his contributions.
Not sure what that bit has to do with the manager to be fair.

No doubt Hodgson and Moyes are cut from the same cloth.
 
I think I hate Hodgson more than I hate Moyes, and I am not even a keen fan of the English national team, but I always like to the United players succeed.

He is the absolute epitome of a charlatan and a coward. Scared of the high reputation older players and manipulates the fans into believing his utterly pathetic excuses. Playing Rooney out of position was an absolute disgrace, as was including Lampard in the squad, who offers nothing at this age. Gerrard as the side's only deep-lying midfielder was a sickening shambles, Liverpool were brilliant going forward but woeful defensively last season (50 goals conceded), and Hodgson did not even play Gerrard in the same role as Liverpool did. He played alongside Henderson, instead of deeper, with Henderson and another energetic midfielder providing support and options. Hodgson cowered to the demands of clueless fans and threw in youth and attacking players without a clue of a tactical plan. Sturridge was absolutely abominable in that match against Costa Rica. Missed about 20 chances, should have been sent off for a hideous challenge, and committed a pathetic dive. Yet we hear nothing from anyone, Rooney plays a superb match against Uruguay and an effective one against Italy, and there is agenda-driven micro-analysis of ridiculous incidents and deliberate ignorance of his contributions.

It was a mirror of watching Moyes' United. Play as many attacking players as possible and hope for the best. No tactical plan, no style of play. It was bobbins, absolutely bobbins.

England do not have fantastic group of players, but they are not poor. Definitely one of the better sides. But in actuality, perhaps the worst. Nothing will change until a progressive coach is appointed. Now it is prehistoric football and a manager scared of his players and the fans.

Agree 100%. Roy is just a standard safe option, likeable guy who won't cause any unpleasant issues or try to shake things up. Hence why they rejected Redknapp (Who whilst far from a tactical genius, at least tries to play good football and wouldn't have just bowed to fan pressure and actually has some balls) and signed on Uncle Woy.

God forbid they hire a manager who wants to change things.
 
More to the point, how many UK-based England fans could even name a CR player before the WC? I certainly couldn't.

I could've named Oviedo, Bryan Ruiz and Joel Campbell. That's it though. I believe their goalkeeper is of a high standard as well and playing in La Liga for a decent team.
 
More to the point, how many UK-based England fans could even name a CR player before the WC? I certainly couldn't.
Me too. I actually tried to name some in talk with a friend only managed to come up with Campbell, because of the Olympiakos game and Wanchope, i honestly thought the guy still played.
 
I always thought Ruiz was chilean for some reason, was very much surprised when saw him on TV in Costa Rican shirt.
 
Some ratings for England at the world cup

Hart - 6 - His best moment was swearing at a ball boy.
Johnson - 6 - Did not manage to be the best right-back called Johnson at the tournament.
Baines - 5 - Looked like a pasty English bloke nabbed off Copacabana beach rather than a footballer.
Cahill - 6 - Performed as expected. Adequately.
Jagielka - 5 - Performed as expected. Inadequately.
Gerrard - 5 - Seems to think that playing deep means not doing anything at all.
Henderson - 5 - Just can't do anything at all.
Sterling - 6 - Excellent vs. Italy, so we changed his position, and he wasn't any more.
Welbeck - 5 - A ****ing striker!
Rooney - 6 - A ****ing striker!
Sturridge - 5 - A ****ing striker who misses a lot of chances
Lallana - 5 Dullana
Barkley - 6 Far too promising to be picked
Milner - 5 Boring
Shaw - 6 Quick as ****
Foster - 7 Did very well as it goes (so what)
Lambert - 4 Had one touch, as I remember. It wasn't very good.
Smalling - 7 Crunch!
Jones - 5 Looked worse than Johnson, which is going some.
Lampard - 7 Played the deeper role much better than Gerrard, by actually doing things.

Hodgson - 5 Picked a reasonable team vs. Italy, but lost his bollocks moving Rooney and Sterling, picking Welbeck/Henderson over Barkley, and not dropping Sturridge to the bench. Too slow to change things that aren't working. Should have taken Cole and Carrick.
 
The English set up fascinates me in a lot of ways....

I'm 100% certain that, if you had got a tv crew to follow them around in Brazil, it would be the exact same as the Graham Taylor documentary.

Even if I'm wrong, just thinking that should tell people something
 
Against Costa Rica, right. How many people thought we actually ought to beat them before the WC?
Why does that matter? how many people thought they would beat italy and uruguay? I mean its irrelevant.
 
In Euro 2004, England lost to the hosts Portugal, 6-5 on penalties, after 2-2 on extra time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/euro_2004/3830451.stm

Pundits were bemoaning the fact that England had to play the hosts, Portugal. They strongly implied that if they played anyone else, the GOLDEN GENERATION of the English football would march on to win it all! So unlucky to play against Portugal! And lose on penalties? So unlucky! Unbelievably unlucky! "If only"... What a rotten luck!

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As a side note, Greece beat Portugal twice, both in the opening game and in the final, without extra time or penalties.
 
We don't have mediocre players and never have, England have produced some fantastic individual players in last 10 years, how shite England have been as a collective in that same time frame are 2 totally different subjects and should not be linked. Bottom line is, I'm sick of hater country's bashing England for no reason other than its England and I'm sick of boring unpatriotic negative Englishmen sticking the boot in along with them BUT would have been the first to
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should England have been successful this year.

It's easy to criticize in failure, but what is wrong with Roy Hodgson's team really? Before the competition everyone looked at it and said 'that's a good side' (on paper) and how they played on the pitch proved it was a good side and nothing too much wrong with it other than possibly experience (which will come).

Hi! I'm from Germany. I would like to point out two things... if Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney are what you call "fantastic individual players", then you're only proving the point many are making... that they are overrated. Even Bale doesn't convince me as much as... say, Raul in his prime, or Robben, or Balotelli, or Ribery, or CR, or Messi... you get the point that I'm picking different nationalities here, I hope. Just to avoid the impression that I may be biased towards one country.

The other point I'd like to make is... in success, there is hardly a need for the kind of fundamental criticism that you need so greatly now. Of course it's easy to criticize, that's why people are doing it. The lesson is to pick up on the various ideas people are tossing about and fix the problems that are obvious. England failed on all fronts. As a team and as invididuals, tactically and in physique (Yes, I said it... England used to browbeat opponents into submission if tactics didn't help. These days they can't even do that).

I think not many people on this forum are english haters by nature, many of us are merely interested in english football, Manchester United or come here for some good natured jesting in front of CL matchups. Don't take it so personally.
 
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All this brings little comfort to Luke Shaw, an 18-year-old already experienced enough to know that the only statistic that matters is the scoreline. Nonetheless, the Southampton left-back - who became the second-youngest player to represent England at a World Cup, behind Michael Owen - believes that the team's performances and emerging youngsters offer genuine hope.
“I’m excited about the future," he told FIFA.com. "I think this team can do big things and I hope that this will be the first of many World Cups for me and a few others. I definitely want to contribute more in the future, and I see the other young lads who're here - guys like Raheem [Sterling] and Ross Barkley - being great England players for years to come.
"There's a lot to build on. There are plenty of good English players coming through, and the likes of Stonesy and Flanno (Jon Stones and John Flanagan), who came out with us but didn't make the final squad, can also make a big impact going forward. It's been a disappointing tournament but we all feel there's a lot to look forward to with this team."

this is exactly the problem of England national team

Shaw....a young player of Southampton..Southampton!!!!!!...who never played a single game even in Europa League....still he feels "excited"!!!!..still he has no worries aboyt speaking to media and express his "excitement"...

and why not.....without having proved himself to no-one and at any level yet , he will get a transfer to a team owned by an indian/malaysian/american/mexican/arabian/russian multi-millionaire owner who possess an english team for 30-40 million pounds , his agent will "sell" his membership to the national team and his wages will rise up to 4-5 million per annum....

so he will be millionaire in no time , will sit on the bench of a big team for most of the time and he will expecting the succes of his team fron the "van-persies" of the team

every player in the world(even of the smallest coyntry...) would have been devastated by the performance and he would not have the courage to speak...especially regarding the fact that he was part of a team , representing one of the most famous and historic football nations of the world , that made the worst performance for many decades in world cups , gaining only one point!!!!!

every player should be devastated because he might hace lost THE ONE opportunity to make a name of himself and be proud of till his death

but no to shaw....being member of the team means that his agent can make a contract of 4-5 million pounds...

roy does not even has the decency to resign and everybody is happy and ready to "look at the future and the great times ahead"

not to long ago THE LEAST the world expected gron England national team was quarter finals....

but thanks god , Shaw is "excited" about the future...better not forget telling his agent to pick a team for him where a good foreigner is 1st pick for starting line , so he could go with 20 minutes sub appearances and at failures of the team to be able to hide behind the "sub-what if-excuse"
 
Hi! I'm from Germany. I would like to point out two things... if Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney are what you call "fantastic individual players", then you're only proving the point many are making... that they are overrated. Even Bale doesn't convince me as much as... say, Raul in his prime, or Robben, or Balotelli, or Ribery, or CR, or Messi... you get the point that I'm picking different nationalities here, I hope. Just to avoid the impression that I may be biased towards one country.

The other point I'd like to make is... in success, there is hardly a need for the kind of fundamental criticism that you need so greatly now. Of course it's easy to criticize, that's why people are doing it. The lesson is to pick up on the various ideas people are tossing about and fix the problems that are obvious. England failed on all fronts. As a team and as invididuals, tactically and in physique (Yes, I said it... England used to browbeat opponents into submission if tactics didn't help. These days they can't even do that).

I think not many people on this forum are english haters by nature, many of us are merely interested in english football, Manchester United or come here for some good natured jesting in front of CL matchups. Don't take it so personally.


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Gareth Bale not as convincing as Balotelli. Heard it all now.
 
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Gareth Bale not as convincing as Balotelli. Heard it all now.

Here, I fixed that for you. Condescending sarcasm works better that way around. :)

Of course, I now realise that it's not relevant since Bale is playing for Wales. So you don't even have him. That doesn't leave much in terms of "fantastic individual players", honestly.
 
You're right in general, Lagger, but saying Rooney hasn't been a fantastic talent/player while Balotelli is was a bit dumb. Putting Balotelli among Raul, Robben, CR, Messi doesn't feel right anyway.
 
Here, I fixed that for you. Condescending sarcasm works better that way around. :)

Of course, I now realise that it's not relevant since Bale is playing for Wales. So you don't even have him. That doesn't leave much in terms of "fantastic individual players", honestly.

Cheers for that. :lol:



It's not relevant, but it just shows you how ridiculous you are being. Bale carried us (Spurs) through a season, scoring a ridiculous amount of incredible goals and being named the best in the league. That's the league Balotelli was never really able to nail down a starting place in. He then achieved a record transfer fee and has been a huge success at arguably the biggest club in the world and a regular in the team in his first season, playing a huge role in their champions league win and scoring the winner in the domestic cup. Despite going for a ridiculously big fee, he's still considered by their fans to be a success.

Balotelli since City has a decent half-season for Milan before having a very dodgy inconsistent one this year and once again looks set to move clubs. Has also had a very poor World Cup.

If you are more convinced by Balotelli than Bale there's no debating with you. Balotelli is probably one of the least convincing players in the entire world. Bale has proven himself at the highest level, doesn't decide to act like an idiot constantly and performs consistently rather than when he feels like it. One is a bonafide world-class player, one is a joker who hops from club to club. What exactly is it about him that you are so convinced by?

Even your other names are pretty stupid. You're comparing players who are in their prime and with tons of experience (Some of which like Robben/Ribery were not as good as Bale at his age and have matured since) and Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi are in a league of their own.

Right now we lack fantastic individual players, absolutely. Rooney is the only arguable one and certainly he's twice the player Balotelli is.

Steven Gerrard & Lampard in their prime? Both were brilliant and undeniably absolute quality. Right now we're going through a period in which our old-guard are just standing down and our new talent is just coming through. Not so long ago Germany was experiencing a similar changing of their guard. Who in 2010 did they have that you could argue was absolute top quality? I'm not saying we have a talent pool coming on Germany's level, but my point still stands. Stars can rise very quickly.

You sound very much as if you have something against British players and an inability to consider them on par with foreigners, no matter their quality. Being more convinced by Balo friggin' telli than Bale pretty much sums your bias up. That's not rational, you clearly have something against British based players. Rooney for example has been twice the player Balotelli has ever been in his career, yet you'd probably prefer the latter just because he's Italian.
 
The vibe I get from Hodgson's interviews is that he actually thinks England had a good world cup with acceptable performances in all 3 matches and were just unlucky to be out.
 
The vibe I get from Hodgson's interviews is that he actually thinks England had a good world cup with acceptable performances in all 3 matches and were just unlucky to be out.

Moyes Syndrome.

Both of them are cut from the same cloth.
 
shearer was just on the telly saying england should keep the manager! just about everyone else wants someone new.
how can such a great player want to keep roy?
shearer said that 'we've a lot of hard work to do.'
thats just the same of crap i've been hearing for decades, makes me mad! everybody knows there is hard work to be done, how about suggestions on how it should be done?
 
It's only going to get worse the more our English clubs sign foreign based players. Woy won't have much to choose from.

Not that you can blame Van Gaal for not trusting English players.
 
shearer was just on the telly saying england should keep the manager! just about everyone else wants someone new.
how can such a great player want to keep roy?
shearer said that 'we've a lot of hard work to do.'
thats just the same of crap i've been hearing for decades, makes me mad! everybody knows there is hard work to be done, how about suggestions on how it should be done?
Too true. With England it's always "the future", never "the now".
 
You're right in general, Lagger, but saying Rooney hasn't been a fantastic talent/player while Balotelli is was a bit dumb. Putting Balotelli among Raul, Robben, CR, Messi doesn't feel right anyway.

Yeah, you're probably right. I am still working on the traumatic experience from 2 years ago during the Euro. But hey, you can easily replace Balotelli with some other random genius in the italian NT just to follow my point.