Hopefully these new pics coming out will shut her up
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Emma Watson on Feminism
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And I'd argue that there's a big difference. The main idea might be the same, but the execution is definitely not. The video below pretty much sums up everything that's wrong with modern day feminism. I'm not saying that all feminists(or even most) are like these cnuts, but the same problems exist on a deeper level. Modern feminists often use shaming tactics, personal attacks, and bully tactics to silence the opponents.
Those particular feminists are still less annoying and cnuty than the guy presenting that video.
He might be loud, rude, and annoying, but at least he doesn't try to silence freedom of speech. He's an egalitarian who views things objectively. He even goes to the website of the organization that the feminists are protesting against to see whether or not they are misogynistic. Unsurprisingly, they are not. These feminist are essentially protesting against gender equality.
I urge you to watch the whole thing. It's actually shocking how horrible the feminists in this video are.
I'm still watching it, and I'm still more put off by the guy than the woman. The video you linked is very selectively edited and of one isolated event. You can make anyone look bad when you present it like that, it's on par with Bill Maher's religulous.
Well, it's actually worse because Bill at least gave a couple of people a fair interview, this guy didn't bother in the slightest.
And protesting is also part of freedom of speech. Everyone's allowed to say what they want.
As for whether the Cafe group is sexist or not, I don't know, but I'm sure's hell not going to take the word of someone who says "I don't hate women.. I just hate modern feminists, because of these women at a college in Canada."
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Hmm... I honestly don't see that happening in my country, not for minimum wages job.
I guess, and this is me thinking, it's down to women having periods and stuffs, and the management simply put that into equation when deciding their pay.
Well, I don't think(and certainly hope not) that most feminists are like these feminists. But there's clearly a link here. It's not the first time I've read or heard about demonstrations like these. It just so happens that this was caught perfectly on camera, with a "famous" YouTuber being willing to make a video out of the clips.
When I see feminist blogs, websites or friends write about feminism, it's essentially like watching the feminists in this video, only with written words instead of physical demonstrations.
I get that there are many people who call themselves feminists because they are for gender equality, and leave it at that, without doing any reading or think further about it. I know several feminists like that. But does it not make more sense to look at the people who are active feminists, who actually go into the depths of the movement? They might not be the majority of the movement, but they are still the biggest representatives.
If you hate and want to completely distance yourself from the biggest representatives of the movement, why take a part of it? It's like voting for a political party while disagreeing with all its politicians. It seems... Wrong...
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They're not the biggest representatives of the movement, they're just coincidentally they ones you've heard about, because famous youbers need something to rant about. People like Judith Butler are the big guns of modern feminism.
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I guess it's kind of like the right-wing party in Norway called FrP.
In their support forums and facebook pages, the users(voters) are constantly writing extremely racist shit, which in return the politicians have to moderate(and sometimes fail to do). The political party itself is very strict and skeptical when it comes to immigration policy, but they obviously want to distance themselves from blatant racism. But what does it say about the party when there are so many racists supporting them, with some of the minor politicians being caught liking racist comments and videos, and even sometimes posting racist shit themselves.
The very front lines are not always the right place to look if you want to understand a movement. Behind the likes of Judith Butler, there's still Tumblr-feminists, women's rights groups in universities, and demonstrants who demonstrate in the name of feminism.
I read somewhere their periods attract bears. Bears can smell the menstruation.
Tumblr feminists, and university demonstrators aren't even that bad though. Even in the video you posted they're not that bad. One of them was asking why the cafe group was supporting a rape apologist and the other one was a bit shouty. The travesty of it all.
If trying to sabotage a simple lecture on men's rights and gender equality by setting off the fire alarm and personally attacking all the people who entered/left the auditorium only equals "not that bad", then we just fundamentally disagree on what constitutes bad behavior.
.... while blocking his way and insulting him loudly in front of everyone("fecking scum" etc).
Genuinely perplexed, but not surprised.
Weren't you the one getting all high mighty about free speech a few posts ago? I'm not saying I'd have done the same, but apart from setting off the fire alarm (for which the individual was presumably punished) that's what generally happens at protests. But what you're doing is comparing them to far right racists, and they're not as bad as racists.
I don't know, but I'd call a rape apologist fecking scum.
I agree here that women tend to be given work which are less one-time physically demanding per se. But two things come to mind: first is, you are here assuming that working long hours doing repetitive jobs is not as physically enduring as lifting heavy objects. Women tend to work on lower ends of jobs which require them to perform same jobs for long hours repetitively which requires high mental as well as physical endurance skills. The second, and more important assumption is that workplace and home are two separate identities, and what you work at home is not work at all. Unfortunately, in a patriarchal capitalist economy, this is a universally accepted scenario. Women work longer and harder than men if we count household work as work too. And they are unpaid. This is true for advanced as well as developing economies. If expertise was a reason for higher pay, women would be earning significantly higher for their work in their household. In that scenario the whole, preferential treatment at work, positive discrimination against women, efficiency theories all fall apart.
Of course you could argue that you are basing your opinions on the current system of work, but if the foundation of the concept of work itself is invalid, then it follows that so are the opinions based on it.
They do miss far more days than men in fairness. I have never worked anywhere, when this has not been the case.
Also the obvious one, getting pregnant is always a concern for an employer
Well, not always. Not when the change over of staff is pretty quick or when they are very young. I doubt a pub landlord for example is too worried about a waitress getting pregnant. Although I dont know if waiters and waitresses have better pay pairity.. Maybe.
What also hadn't been mentioned is that women show more loyalty to their jobs. EVEN though women are paid less, they are still more loyal. So although a boss in an office environment might be worried about their staff becoming pregnant, the male staff are more likely to leave permanently. At least from what I remember
That's a ridiculous exaggeration. It probably took you more effort to get angry about that than it does to just ignore it and let something that does no harm and that some women still love happen.
In places with high turnover like restaurants and pubs the pay will be equal in the western world.
Well that's OK then, so long as it's a reasoned decision.
Doing it for individuals who are all for it is different to it being your automatic response.
Is it? Thats good to know if true.
Just looking back someone mentioned male receptionists get paid more. Id like to know where, again in my experience it is not something I have ever noticed or even heard about in Ireland. I take the point about high powered positions but even that is getting far better...even though women will often be taking huge amounts of time off on maternity leave
Not really. It's a polite gesture. If you do it and someone expresses that they don't like it, you can stop. It's really a non issue.
It's impossible for us to notice these kinds of trends in our normal lives because it's unlikely that we'll be exposed to enough to get a good grasp on it. But men are consistently paid more for identical work.
I agree with this. Every job I have worked in, know of people working in, or have seen advertised in my life time the wages have been the same. A set wage for the position. This unequal pay seems to exist from what I've seen in the big leagues only. Which isn't to say that it shouldn't exist, of course it shouldn't just that it's less of a widespread disease as made out.
That could be completely wrong, but I've yet see evidence of it. It obviously exists somewhere and should be stamped out but the way it's talked about, most jobs pay men more than women which simply isn't true. Most jobs have set salaries. You don't negotiate your own wage.
One persons polite gesture is another's cringe inducing moment. It really is better just to treat people as individuals than to have set behaviors.
Amazingly this must happen in places I have never been to or know anyone who has either
That's true of everything in the world, ever. It's cringe to me a lot of things that people just do. So I don't do them and leave people that do to it. It's really not best at all to dictate how people behave because you find it cringe. Other people don't. So why not just let it be.
Possibly, or perhaps you and your friends just haven't paid that much attention to every single persons wage and made comparisons.
Why are you surprised by what Silva has said. That should be obvious. That shouldnt be debatable.
Only people who believe in astrology, crystals and physics should have a problem with that. I.e. Of course its impossible to notice a national trend in a limited local experience.
As well as random fluctuations, you have to contend with confirmation bias.
Something that I highly doubt you have either.
majority of people in ireland get jobs via agencies. The people who work in agencies will know the payment of the positions they are putting candidates forward for. I would expect some of these agencies to have perhaps raised these issues.
I am sure it is the case in certain countries but its really not like that where I live.
I've actually posted something to back me up in this thread, unlike some of you.
Let it be is the most bullshit argument in the world.
Im going by experience
Im sorry but it is not the case in standard jobs like waiters/waitresses and receptionists etc..
You can google all you like...