And you know they're absolutely shit at those games too.Emma Watson on Feminism
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And you know they're absolutely shit at those games too.If feminists who say annoying things on twitter and tumblr make feminism akin to Hitler's regime, what does that make genuine lunatics like this? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/16/t...e-threats-anita-sarkeesian.html?smid=tw-share
Anita Sarkessian is a con artist but the most recent threat is nothing short of nuts, I mean, we're talking about fcuking videogames here.
What do you mean by con artist? 'Cos Frank Abagnele and Steven Russell are con artists. She doesn't really seem in their league.
She's a camper!
Or maybe they're refrerring to making money off narrating your own super uninteresting gaming experience. Never been done before.
I suspect they are actually campaigning for less fair/accurate reviews.
A really good blog post on the harassment women face online.
http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point
And to think, some people suggest feminism isn't needed anymore
http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point
And to think, some people suggest feminism isn't needed anymore
As I don't particularly care about video games, I haven't bothered to read too much into this gamergate stuff but now that I have, these people are awful.
Yeah but your journalism is unethical.
Great post, that.A really good blog post on the harassment women face online.
http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point
And to think, some people suggest feminism isn't needed anymore
Typically, the hacker trolls are technically-talented, super smart white men. They’re not just hackers. They are social engineers. They understand behavioral psych. They know their Kahneman. They “get” memes. They exploit a vulnerability in the brains of your current and potential listeners.How? By unleashing a mind virus guaranteed to push emotional buttons for your real, NOT-troll audience. In my specific case, it was my alleged threat to a free and open internet. “She issued DMCA takedowns for sites that criticized her.”
"a person who cheats or tricks others by persuading them to believe something that is not true."
This is solely in regards to her Tropes vs Women videos, not the vile abuse she's getting from a group of sickos on the internet. She's cherry picking examples from videogames, then accusing the videogame/developer of being misogynistic.
If her whole point is "I want stronger female characters in videogames" then I agree 100%, my favourite fictional chartacter of all time is Ellen Ripley, what I'd do see a female protagonist in a videogame like her.
Picks selective definition for a term, accuses other person of being selective in their arguments. You're welcome to disagree with whatever the feck she goes on about, but she's blatantly not a con artist.
OK, but what brought her into the mainstream media is her videos, which are disingenuous and unfair on the developers she's pointing fingers at.
Great article/blogA really good blog post on the harassment women face online.
http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point
And to think, some people suggest feminism isn't needed anymore
I watched about 3 minutes of that before it started to really concern me. Aside from the weird, entitled anger dripping all over it, the ridiculous overblown allusions to totalitarian propaganda and the fact he's concealed his voice because he's not brave enough to subject himself to the same kind of abuse for his opinions as he'll openly give her, he also doesn't really address what she's saying. When she complains that a game where you infiltrate a sex ring treats it's female characters as set dressing for example, his rebutal is "Nu uh! the point of the game is to SHUT DOWN the sex ring. HOW CAN THAT BE SEXIST!?"....It's literally the argument of a 12 year old.
If you can accuse her of being selective and agenda driven, then you can accuse that video of precisely the same thing. Only one from the perspective of "Obviously nothing can be sexist if the game doesn't explicitly encourage you to be nasty to women!" and about 4 scales up on the apocalyptic self important spectrum. So I'm lost as to what your point with it was tbh.
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You only watched 3 minutes of it, the guy in the video primarily makes scientific based videos, he shows himself in a lot of them, and yes, he's pretty eccentric looking, but that's not the point, the point is, her tropes vs women videos are flawed, he points out those flaws, it's pretty simple.
The Hitman Absolution argument she brings up is ridiculous, "players are meant to derive a perverse pleasure from desecrating the dead bodies of the women" (2:43 of the video). She's arguing that the men and women who made the game, put those two women in that game for that sole reason. It's a pretty disgusting accusation.
This guy?
Yeah, he's really an upstanding, cherry-pick-free, agendaless hero of our time. In fact a quick browse of his uploads reveals he's absolutely obsessed with Anita Sarkeesian. So considering you've brought him into a discussion about cherry picking and misrepresentation, I think it's pretty pertinent to point out he's got a fairly big, fairly skewed horse in this race.
Though from looking him up he does seem pretty willing to reveal this identity, so I'll readily admit I jumped the gun there.
And his rebutal to it is that because the game doesn't reward you for killing 'innocent' characters, it can't be sexist in it's portrayal of women, or that things it allows the gamer to do can't possibly be inappropriate in the wider scheme of gender roles in games. Which comes from exactly the same "anyone who doesn't view the game as I do is a dangerous idiot" school of thought he's accusing. As well as being an amazingly reductive view of games from someone who claims to be a gamer.
And it's not "disgusting" no. That's far stronger rhetoric than the subject matter of video game criticism deserves. Much like "con artsist" is. I mean, you yourself have said
and yet seem very happy to chuck around OTT statements like those without seeing how that could possibly be part of the problem. Yeah, sending rape threats to a video game blogger is too far, but calling her a disgusting con artist whilst linking to the opinions of someone who seems to obsessively hate her, that's a healthy, sensible approach?
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@Mockney Duly noted, I'll concede I know very little about this bar reading on Reddit, maybe I don't want to know more, infact, I don't want to know more and regret commenting. Either way, I'll refrain in the future on this particular subject. Thanks for your counter argument, genuinely mean that! No one is infallible.
@Waltraute Scumbag ? Eh, I suppose that's your opinion.
@Waltraute Scumbag ? Eh, I suppose that's your opinion.
I wonder if this whole gamergate controversy could have even existed a decade or so back? Before Twitter etc. It's all so insanely petty and trivial. I kind of hate myself for even knowing anything about it.
Although, on the plus side, I got to learn about "swatting" which is batshit fecking crazy but kind of entertaining. Someone is definitely going to get killed if the nerds keep doing stuff like this.
It's mental, the guys in that video supposedly have a room full of prop weapons they use for skits, imagine if they were shooting a video at the time, it could have been a potential bloodbath.
Now that I've read a bit more about this "gamergate", it goes a lot deeper than I ever imagined. I just watched this;
No more sourcing info from reddit. Fcuk.
No worries mate, everyone makes snap judgements, and the CE forum is all about arguing. I myself thought that guy was a 15 year old disguising his voice for some reason. Turns out he's a professional chemist and fervent debater in his 40s who's interviewed Dawkins. Which is somehow even more disturbing. But big props for having the maturity to mea culpa, that's pretty rare on here. When I'm caught out I often just pretend I haven't read it and hope the thread dies.
I'm sure Sarkeesian has embelished things, and certainly isn't completely impartial, I just feel that when things become so skewed and irrational like they have in this case, it's irrelevant. Even the worst ideologies have some genuine bones of contention. There's just an obvious wrongness about it that overrides whatever minor salient points they may have. And those points have long become mythologised anyway.
Interesting vid. That's absolutely fecking bananas.
Bananas on two levels. The insane militarisation of domestic police forces (WTF?!?) and the moronic nerds who set these tooled up neanderthals on random punters. People are going to die.
The cause for militarisation of domestic police forces is the best part(Well the worst part) that US military essentially has a overload of old gear so the police just asked for it and got it. Completely insane.
Have to say though that U.S. really is the land of the free, if you really want to be a massive cnut, you are free to do so.
You forgot home of the brave.
I know I'm just concentrating on this point in particular and not on the overall views of that person, but I think the point was not a moral one about killing/desecration, but rather a sexist view that the bodies were women because the creators were sexist. Desecrating men..sure, it's OK, but a women and it become sexist...which still is a bit of stretch.