I'm interested to know how Ole plans to use him. I doubt hes just going to come in and start because no matter what the Caf thinks of our midfield options, Ole likes Mctominay, values Fred's contribution and always tries to fit in Pogba and Camavinga is an 18 year old coming from a different league. I think we'd just shuffle all of them and see what sticks
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Can't imagine us having a free run at Sancho, Varane and Camavinga. Seems too good to be true.
It's easy to say Ole likes X player when he's not really got anything to choose from. There is a reason we were linked with CMs, whether Ole likes them or not.
Ha, I wasn't joking, and that is not my logic. You will notice how unbalanced the partnership would look if he signs, and they play together for more than a few games. Obviously there are exceptions and we could make it work, but it is not ideal.
I expressed the same concern and was shut down when we were being linked to Fred with the word that we were going to play him on the right of midfield with another midfielder in the middle and Pogba on the left. It didn't last long, and he has found a place in the middle on the left.
Hard to see how this guy solves the puzzle of our midfield. Even if we assume he comes over and thrives straight away (far from guaranteed) he just seems to be developing into a B2B player rather than a DM. He may be an upgrade in quality over Fred and McT, but the problem we have with those guys is as much about the midfield balance as it is their individual quality. I still feel like a proper DM - with positional and tactical discipline, and who can screen the defence - would solve a lot of problems for us. I have no problem with simply upgrading Fred and McT by the way, but given the amount of money talked about in the press, it seems unlikely we'd buy this guy in addition to a strict DM.
Why would the partnership be more unbalance than the common two right footers?
Do you have any data on this at all, seems like a bizarre theory to me. Also I don't get your point on Fred? He's a left footer and we have McT who plays on the right, why wouldn't he be on the left? We don't have anyone that would sit behind them, irrelevant to what foot players use.
Ole 100% likes Mctominay and it does not mean Camavinga wont be able to come in and take his place
We will play 2 DM under Ole system anyway, so having him as one of DM, in box to box role would surely be an upgrade for us. Defensively he is at least as good as McFred, if not better. Attacking wise he is much better in dribbling than McFred, more energetic, better in bringing the ball forward and with better passing too.
But if we planning to play him as lone DM role who sits deep to support Pogba and Bruno in midfield, he is not going to be one. Hence, I expect we will sign him up first, and then we will sell Pogba. If we plan to keep Pogba to partner with Bruno as our long term midfield partnership, then I'm afraid someone like Rice would be a better choice, who likes to sit deep and keep things simple, and in theory would just let Pogba and Bruno express themselves more in midfield.
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I guess we should have drop Keane or Scholes back then since both right footed
Sorry I must have missed your point then, because he'll come in and if he's good enough he'll play ahead of McT whether Ole likes him or not.
I don't rate McTominay much either but it's clear that lots of people at the club especially the coaches have high hopes for him and view him as a project, therefore Fred is more expendable. Plus Fred's form fell off a cliff towards the end of last season.
If we get him then I dont see why we should be trying to renew Pogba's contract. Sell him and use the money to get a midfielder that will compliment Camavinga or Fred. We would be a better team for it
We'd be a better team if we got rid of one of the world's best midfielders? Go and lie down, you can't be feeling well
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Caf transfer strategy, buy good player then sell a better one to compliment a liability who’s somehow become a fan favourite.
He's not one of the world's best midfielders in a midfield two though, is he? We could easily strengthen the team by getting a more suitable player for that position even if they aren't as individually good as Pogba is. Obviously we'd still need to get the right replacement.
Did you intentionally not read what he said?
He said go out and buy another player that compliments Fred and/or Camavinga. Providing better balance to the team. Football isn't about individuals.
Liverpool did it with Countinho to great effect.
It's a madness isn't it
It's like a mental virus that has swept the fanbase. Ask oppo fans how they feel about losing their best player. We just need a DM for goodness sake, one actual, decent, fit, DM.
With no one else signed, our list of midfielders already looks barren as it is
Hope we manage to incorporate some of the youngsters like Hannibal, Garner and Galbraith
It's a madness isn't it
It's like a mental virus that has swept the fanbase. Ask oppo fans how they feel about losing their best player. We just need a DM for goodness sake, one actual, decent, fit, DM.
How about you actually read what the poster put? He said we'd replace him with someone that better suits Camavinga or Fred, that's hardly an outrageous point of view.
Liverpool did it with Countinho to great effect. United have done it with plenty of big players over the years.
With no one else signed, our list of midfielders already looks barren as it is
Hope we manage to incorporate some of the youngsters like Hannibal, Garner and Galbraith
No on is suggesting getting rid of Pogba and getting no one in. The poster themselves already mentioned Camavinga plus another player.
Hey please do not turn this to another Pogba thread, we've had enough I think.
Look fellas, Pogba is leaving. He won’t be signing a new contract. If you want to lose him for nothing, let’s keep him for another season. Otherwise, move him on.It's a madness isn't it
It's like a mental virus that has swept the fanbase. Ask oppo fans how they feel about losing their best player. We just need a DM for goodness sake, one actual, decent, fit, DM.
For all of his brilliance, he wasn’t consistent enough, his work rate defensively is quite low, and there are times when he just can’t be bothered.
Camavinga is the forward looking replacement for Pogba. Is he ready now? Maybe not. But bringing in good players with great potential is not a bad thing, is it?
I don't have to really, not to be ignorant of the conversation, just any argument that involves getting rid of Pogba is tiresome. We should be trying absolutely everything we can to retain our best players and I believe that's exactly what Ole and and the board are trying to do, keep him. Why?
Well because he's one of the very best midfielders in the world. In his absence we will have an ancient Matic and McFred - which should frankly frighten you. But many here seemingly can't wait for us to be so one dimensional and limited in midfield.
Replacing Pogba we will not do. He is a unique player, in style, strength and ability, supremely talented, those players in midfield don't really exist in the market right now and if they do they cost more than what we paid for him.
Get a player 'that fit's us better as a team' - what does that even mean? All it means is that we DON'T HAVE A DM. It's a problem we will still have after we pack Pogba's luggage and let him go.
What any manager/DOF would want to do in our situation is build on what we have, get a player who actually plays in the DM role (we only have Matic) partner Pogba with them or indeed switch to a midfield three.
Any variation of our midfield without Pogba is more limited. Anybody here who thinks Pogba is totally incapable of being placed in a starting 11 because he loses the ball now and again is a mentalist in my book.
Let's make a list of all the times he's lost the ball that directly led to a goal against us, then compare that to all the assists and key passes forward he plays. I reckon it would make mugs of many here. No doubt he will go somewhere else and prove what he can do on the pitch just like he's done at Juve and for France, in teams willing to build a side that functions and covers for players weaknesses. Apparently that's beneath United.
That's why Scholes and Keane were so shit together then I guess.
Even the people who want to keep Pogba still want to sign Camavinga. I'm desperate to have both in the squad.
A detailed dive into his career and playing style so far
Not turning this into a Pogba thread. You're beating the same drum. The poster made it clear that they think United would have a better balanced midfield with Camavinga and a new CM(I'd guess defensive).
Many disagree with you about what he offers but that's besides the point.
It's hardly unreasonable to believe getting Camavinga and a CDM would give us better balance. As I said, Liverpool did that exact thing with Coutinho and it worked a treat. I'd argue Coutinho performed at a much higher level respectively too.
So it's not 'a madness
'.You're are implying he is irreplaceable which is very short sighted . My post is based on our current midfield options + Camavinga to which none of them can effectively cover Pogba's weakness when paired at the double pivot. Ole himself started playing the McFred double pivot and shifted Pogba on the left which is telling that Pogba at the double pivot is a weakness and it need to be covered.
So our double pivot options are Camavinga, Pogba, Fred and Mctominay. We face Liverpool. Who do you think is going to play at the double pivot
He plays more like Fred and McTominay than Pogba. More of a defensive number 8.
Let’s agree to disagree. The balance you say the poster was searching for includes a DM, which is what we require right now and after Pogba’s departure regardless.Not turning this into a Pogba thread. You're beating the same drum. The poster made it clear that they think United would have a better balanced midfield with Camavinga and a new CM(I'd guess defensive).
Many disagree with you about what he offers but that's besides the point.
It's hardly unreasonable to believe getting Camavinga and a CDM would give us better balance. As I said, Liverpool did that exact thing with Coutinho and it worked a treat. I'd argue Coutinho performed at a much higher level respectively too.
So it's not 'a madness
Which is what prompted my response, I would love us to sign Camavinga but we still need a DM. It’s also the obvious thing that any side needs to do to get the best of Pogba.
It makes no sense to want rid of one of Europe’s best midfielders so we can search for the same balance we need now to accommodate him. The net result will mean we are worse off.
But let’s leave if there and climb aboard the Camavinga train eh.
Maybe he will turn into the next Kante and we can let MCFred bomb on and do some real damage.
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Bonjour Eduardo (forgive my non google translate French, buy hey you should be practising English anyway....sil vous plait!!!!). Manchester United est la club our tu! Tu est de bebe, mais Bryan RObson et Roy Keane.......oh la la, est tu devenir un legend aussi aved le talent tu avoir. Eric Cantona, Patrice Evra.......Eduardo Camavinga!!!!!
Dont worry guys, agent Jaap is now on the case.............good moaning! (and yes I know it will be some media handling person reading it and not him, but hey its my par for the cause haha)
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Bonjour Eduardo (forgive my non google translate French, buy hey you should be practising English anyway....sil vous plait!!!!). Manchester United est la club our tu! Tu est de bebe, mais Bryan RObson et Roy Keane.......oh la la, est tu devenir un legend aussi aved le talent tu avoir. Eric Cantona, Patrice Evra.......Eduardo Camavinga!!!!!
Dont worry guys, agent Jaap is now on the case.............good moaning!
(and yes I know it will be some media handling person reading it and not him, but hey its my par for the cause haha)If Camavinga can’t adapt, he can still be sold. If Thiago end up like Schweinsteiger, no one will want to buy old player. Thus £26m is bargain for young top talent player to invest. That’s the point of comparison.
Pogba isn't going to sign a new contract and has clearly wanted to leave for a long time. Everyone at the club clearly wants him to sign a new deal, as is obvious by all the reports of us constantly trying to get him to renew. Why would he now sign a contract extension when he's so close to being able to leave? You just want to avoid all logic though. The reality is we can keep him for 1 more season but he will leave for free in the summer. He will need to be replaced either this season or the following season. The decision needs to be made whether getting £45-50m for him this season is actually worth not having him for the rest of the season. I think you can make the argument that it's best to just keep him due to the talent he can bring to us, but you need to stop deluding yourself into thinking Pogba renewing is an option.
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Let’s agree to disagree. The balance you say the poster was searching for includes a DM, which is what we require right now and after Pogba’s departure regardless.
Which is what prompted my response, I would love us to sign Camavinga but we still need a DM. It’s also the obvious thing that any side needs to do to get the best of Pogba.
It makes no sense to want rid of one of Europe’s best midfielders so we can search for the same balance we need now to accommodate him. The net result will mean we are worse off.
But let’s leave if there and climb aboard the Camavinga train eh.
Maybe he will turn into the next Kante and we can let MCFred bomb on and do some real damage.
Who is this magical DM you would have us sign that will unleash the best European midfielder vs the Pogba we have got for the last 3 seasons ?
Lots of clubs will be interested in Camavinga so it's too early to get excited, Chelsea could come in late and offer him silly money. I won't get excited about this until he's holding up the shirt.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...es-midfielder-eduardo-camavinga-transfer-news
At £25 million (€35 million) you simply can’t go wrong with a player considered to be leagues above anyone else near his age in the game.
If we manage to get Sancho, Varane and Camavinga for a combined £140 million we’ve absolutely had it spark off. If we manage to get De Gea, Dalot, Jones, Pereira, Lingard, James and Chong out the door at the same time and recouped around £60-£70 million at the same time then it’d be our best transfer window since 2007.
At £25 million (€35 million) you simply can’t go wrong with a player considered to be leagues above anyone else near his age in the game.
If we manage to get Sancho, Varane and Camavinga for a combined £140 million we’ve absolutely had it spark off. If we manage to get De Gea, Dalot, Jones, Pereira, Lingard, James and Chong out the door at the same time and recouped around £60-£70 million at the same time then it’d be our best transfer window since 2007.
I'm not sure its wise to spend too much time thinking about combinations and such should we actually land this player. Camavinga would be integrated into this team quite slowly and once we know exactly what we have then we can start to plan around who will complement him. That might be Pogba or McTominay, but I think the club would be hoping to pair him up with Hannibal long term. That is a combination of immense potential in my view. Until then I'm sure he'll be used with a variety of partners.
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