I only remember he played as number 10 role in Inter. In Ajax he's most likely a centre midfield in 433. Netherlands has van der vaart as their number 10 role anyway.
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I only remember he played as number 10 role in Inter. In Ajax he's most likely a centre midfield in 433. Netherlands has van der vaart as their number 10 role anyway.
The Telegraph: Why Wesley Sniejder is not the ideal replacement for Paul Scholes
This article from 2011 explains why he isn't what we need and it is still as relevant.
Metro: The curious case of the disappearance of Galatasaray's Wesely Sneijder
A more recent article from March 20th which highlights his best days being behind him.
With him being 30 this summer I think we can safely say the boat has sailed.
Clasie, Maher and Strootman pls
Not Dutch and dropped off the radar a little bit, but Viktor Fischer wouldn't be a bad punt either.
Not Dutch and dropped off the radar a little bit, but Viktor Fischer wouldn't be a bad punt either.
that was during Inter career and year. He played more central with Ajax year. Scholes was also play more advance role as number 10 in 2002/2003 if I remember correctly. Cabaye is also another example. He played more as a number 10 role this season with Newcastle United but before he played more central.
Sneijder will be 30 and that's why I said I don't mind to see him here as a short term just like RVP.
I wouldn't touch Sneijder with a barge pole. He's nowhere near the level of a top club nowadays. Strootman would fit like a glove though. Other than one of those highly rated teen wide men, who admittedly I've not seen more than a couple of games from, I can't really see anyone else we would go for.
He would be less likely to get stuck in he is not the same as Scholes and he isn't even similar to Cabaye. Rooney plays exactly the same as Sniejder does except Rooney is younger and plays at a higher level.
Cleverley contributes more as a central midfielder than Sniejder does. He plays in behind the striker. Closer to being a Lampard replacement than Scholes.
Ferdinand played up front for West Ham in his youth as did Carrick would you like to see us play them up top?
Fletcher and Schweinsteiger used to be wingers. We put Anderson in centre mid and how did that turn out?
Youth isn't a professional football player yet. Comparing youth career with professional career is ridiculous.
Sneijder played more as a central with Ajax and Netherland before he moved Inter as a professional players. Anderson is more advance role like Mata or Kagawa or Van der Vaart. And yet Ferguson tried him different thing.
While Sneijder is like Modric, Cabaye and Scholes, a player who can play good in both centre midfield and no 10 role. You are comparing so many different things here. Let's try to get closer such as
What about Paul Scholes played as a number 10 role and if you wanna talk about youth I could also talk about Scholes play as a striker and yet he could also play as a centre midfield?
What about Gerrard played behind striker with Torres before and yet when Torres leaves he is back again to more central role and still be able to show good performance?
What about Modric before moved to Spurs, he played as a number 10 role and now he plays more central?
Still want more example?
You are trying to make example which is way too far while there are also even more examples we can took with more similar position and playing style. It's not really hard try to find many example of players no 10 role who can play well in central. We don't need to go too far in wingers and strikers or centre back because we are talking about players like Modric, Cabaye, Scholes and Sneijder.
I never say their playing style are exactly the same. I'm just saying their role are same.
So Rooney (striker) Sneijder (Midifeld), you think they are exactly have same role? while you don't see any similar position or role between Scholes (midfield) and Cabaye (midfield). While it's been proven that Sneijder, Scholes and Cabaye can do really well in both number 10 role and central role.
Oh Cleverley is also another example. Cleverley is more advance role during his loan. And yet he can still play as a central role. Cleverley is also another example we can take as a player who played as an advanced role but also can play as a central role though the quality isn't same we shouldn't compare them yet. 2 different level.
Oh what about Fabregas. Another example which we can take (At least better example than Ferdinand and Carrick). Fabregas is also another example we can take as a player who can play well in both number 10 role and centre midfield. I still remember his many assists with Arsenal when in that season he played more as an advanced role.
Even in Madrid before he moved to Inter. Sneijder didn't just play as attacking mid but also play as a central role when they used 442 with Raul and RVN as their strikers.
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All of these players you're listing were in their mid twenties when playing in this role he has been behind the striker up until he was 29. You keep mentioning Ajax but what about his days at Real Madrid? he didn't play at centre mid there.
He is not going to adapt to premier league football as a deep lying playmaker he gets caught out far too much.
Rooney hasn't been a striker for a couple of years now he's better suited to the number 10 role as we all know.
Cleverley is 24
Fabregas is 27
When Sneijder played in a 442 it was well documented, especially on the caf, that he wasn't up to the challenge. He is not a central midfielder he is too attack minded and players run past him.
Memphis Depay has a really good shot in him but I have doubts over his agility and dribbling ability. When turning his touch looks a bit heavy at times although this is compensated by what looks like really good balance or strength. I have seen him out-muscle defenders two times his size. Do any of you watch dutch football to be able to rate him?
But Rooney had his chances in recent years or even this season to played as a striker, he's a striker or a 2nd striker. And people have been complaining about his number 10 role since he can't play in that role. And you compared him with Sneijder.
So? Is there something wrong with age? Sneijder was also play as a centre midfield with Ajax and Real Madrid in his twenties. We are not asking him to be a deep lying playmaker. Who said players can't move deeper when they play as a centre midfield. I've seen Kagawa and Mata who are even more attack mind and not even a centre midfield and yet they drop deeper for asking the keeper or defense for a ball. Who said to be playmaker you need to be called as a "deeplying playmaker" or "advanced playmaker". Carrick or Pirlo is most likely what we called a deeplying midfield or deeplying playmaker. Who likes to sit deep. Sneijder centre midfield is more a freedom to control the midfield like Scholes and Modric.
Too attack mind? Well you just never seen him play when he was at Real Madrid and Ajax. It's not like Scholes knows how to make really good tackle . Not many people expect Thiago (Barca/Bayern) to be able to play more central role before he moved to Bayern just because he played more advanced role with Barca and only play a bit more central role with Spain U21.
Van Gaal knows about Sneijder more than you do. I won't mind if Van Gaal decides to take Sneijder as an short option of our midfield.
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And who is going to cover for Sniejder when he goes wandering exactly? We don't need anymore #10's or makeshift midfielders. End of discussion.
Sneijder will turn 30 this summer, he's been terrible for 4 years, and wouldn't get in our team.
It's not like I'm expecting us to sign Sneijder or want him to be here mate.
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the only thing i remember about jetro willems was getting absolutely battered by opposition wingers at euro 2012. but he was only 18 at that time and maybe he has improved.
the only top player the dutch team got at this moment apart from van persie is strootman. he would be perfect for us, and knowing that we need to overhaul our midfield.
Sneijder...4 years late but you never know.
Those top players are the quality Manchester United players. So if Van Gaal decides to take Sneijder with him, then I said.
Sneijder is a midfieler who can play as a centre midfield and number 10 role. An example: Cabaye is a centre midfield who can also play as a number 10 role.
@Jaysince91 It's funny how you want to end the discussion and yet you are asking me a question.
A couple of matches
It didn't need an answer because we both know that we have nobody capable of covering him as Carrick is past it now.
I understand your point about him filling in at CM but we don't need any more square pegs in round holes. If we didn't have Kagawa and Mata you'd make sense.
Signing him would be a waste of money unless we shipped out Rooney and Kagawa.
I don't understand why are you trying to compare Sneijder with Kagawa and Mata or even Carrick. While clearly Mata and Kagawa cannot play as a centre midfield. Carrick is more defensive role not a central role. Carrick can play both in defensive and central role.
Cabaye played as a number 10 role with Newcastle United this season. If he didn't move to PSG. Will you want us to sign him in January? Because most people want him even though we have Mata and Kagawa.
Sneijder role is like Modric, Cabaye and Sneijder. They can play behind striker but can also play really well in centrall role. While Mata and Kagawa can play behind striker but can't play well in central role. 2 different things.
In the seasons where he was legitimately world class he was almost exclusively used as a #10 with basically a free role, he's never shown himself capable of playing quite that well in a deeper role. There's a very clear difference between Sneijder, who could occasionally be effective in a deeper role because he was a good footballer, and the likes of Modric and Cabaye for whom the lion's share of their best performances have come as central midfielders. Whilst he's not completely incapable of playing further back, he's not at his best there either because in that position you need a more rounded game. He's more comparable to someone like Gerrard in that respect, except without the physicality and work-rate that has allowed Gerrard to adapt to a deeper game in his dotage.
It's all a bit of a pointless debate anyway. You'd have to go back to late 2011 as the last time he was playing at the top of his game. If we signed him now he'd be an frustrating player for us even if we played him in his natural position, never mind if we tried to shoehorn him into playing as a central midfielder.
He played as a central role during his career with Ajax and Real Madrid. It's been proven he can do really well as a central role.
I don't remember I want him because he's not what I want to see in centre midfield. But I'll take him if Van Gaal takes him with him as well. Because he's a quality player who can play both centre midfield and number 10 role. It's not like Sneijder central role will be worse than Cleverley or Fellaini or Fletcher.
It's like saying Thiago played at his best in advanced role with Barcelona but with Spain U21 he is converted into more central role. Cabaye showed a lot of great performance in number 10 role with Newcastle this season. Contributed in their goals a lot, his best isn't only a central role
Not sure why you're keeping on with the comparisons to Cabaye. Sneijder was good in a central role for Ajax who played with a 3-man midfield but only started getting headlines when he started playing consistently as a number 10, which is by far his best position. Cabaye has played and done well consistently as a central midfielder, he's since proved he can replicate that levle of performance further up the field. Sneijder has at no point managed to replicate his form as a #10 playing in central-midfield. He'd be a great central midfielder if being a central midfielder was purely about being good on the ball. Unfortunately for him there's far more to it then that and his lack of strength, positional discipline and especially work-rate would make him a liability.
The comparison is just an example of their role and the positions (both central and advance) which they can play are same. Sneijder can play well both in advanced and central role. It's not only for Ajax, He played central role with Madrid when they played 442 formation with Raul and RVN as their strikers.
It's revisionist to suggest the bulk of his games at Real came from central midfield. He mostly played further forward with 2 central midfielders behind him, when he did play central-midfield it was alongside a pure destroyer (Diarra) who could make up for the deficiencies in his game. Ultimately when he was shipped out it was so Real could bring in Kaka who played in his position.
Like I said before, I'm not denying that he has played as a central midfielder, I'm just saying he never really tore up any trees in that position in his prime, never mind now. The Cabaye and Modric comparisons are just irrelevant, no-ones denying that it's entirely possible for a player to be equally adept in CM and AM, Sneijder's simply not one of those players.
Anyway this is derailing the thread. Strootman please if he recovers from his injury, some of these right and left-backs could come in handy as well if any of them are any good.
Van Gaal called up Jens Toornstra for a couple of friendlies, and though he`s normally an attacking player, I think he played him deeper in midfield. He`s 25, seems to be improving, moved for only a million and is at a club which he`s surely too big for now (Utrecht).
I hereby predict, never having seen this fellow play, that Van Gaal will sign him after we only get one of the CM`s Woodward and the others are in for.
I hereby predict, never having seen this fellow play, that Van Gaal will sign him after we only get one of the CM`s Woodward and the others are in for.
It'd be a pisstake if he decides to bring in a load of second rate Dutch players. Didn't he do the same thing at Barca?
Barca`s signigs during Van Gaa`s first reign at Barca.
Dutch or Eredivisie Ties:
Jari Litmanen - 
Ajax- Patrick Kluivert -
Milan, 28 August, £8,750,000[2] - Ronald de Boer - Ajax, £22,000,000 (joint fee with Frank de Boer)
- Frank de Boer - Ajax, joint fee
- Michael Reiziger
- Winston Bogarde
Simão - Sporting CP
Dani - Mallorca
Frédéric Déhu - Lens
Mauricio Pellegrino - Vélez Sarsfield- Rivaldo
- Sonny Anderson
- Christoph Dugarry
But I expect something like 4 signings, with 3 being fairly sizeable (LB, CM, random attacker) and maybe something like 2 current Dutch National team or Eredivisie players (a CM and a young/young-ish CB he likes) and 2 signings he has nothing to do with (say, Shaw and Carvalho).
Good to see other people who watch football join us
I compared him to Kagawa and Mata because they are all natural #10s and they are shunted into different positions producing lesser performances than they would had they played in their natural position.
Nobody compared Carrick I simply asked you who is going to cover the CM version of Sneijder when he inevitably goes wandering up the pitch and walks back when we're under attack.
Kagawa and Mata can't play as a centre midfield and never played in there during their professional career. We tried Kagawa once as a centre midfield during pre season and it doesn't work. I never understand the comparison between Kagawa and Mata with Sneijder. While Sneijder is a midfielder who can play both centre midfield and number 10 role, it's proven with Ajax and Madrid.
Well, just because if Van Gaal takes Sneijder with him and play him as a central role that doesn't mean we are not going to sign defensive midfield right? Scholes-Keane. Cabaye-Tiote.
Sneijder was a good enough CM for Real Madrid to buy him when he was playing there every week for Ajax and for his country.
Real signed Kaka so he can play in van der vaart role which is number 10 role. Sneijder is more central with Real Madrid. Played with "a pure destroyer" like Diarra but then you also need to remember that Cabaye played with a pure destroyer like Tiote and Scholes also did the same thing with Keane.
Real sold him not because of quality can't play as a central role. But because the new owner wanted to make his own team in that time. It's unfair for judging Sneijder performance during his career with Madrid or even Ajax as a central role. He did really well in that role. He was still really young. When he moved to Inter that was when he was at his prime age. That's why he wasn't really as shine as he was at Inter. I'm still thinking that Sneijder can play in both of them really well. I don't want Sneijder to join us, and I never want him even when he was at Inter because of his injury prone. But as I said before I'll still take him if Van Gaal takes him as well with him. Well, that's the purpose of this thread anyway, looking at dutch players which Van Gaal might take with him.
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I don't want Sneidjer anywhere near the club anymore, and I think we definitely dodged a bullet when we didn't get him for the fee and wages reported at the time.
I don't get why people are not allowed to compare him with Mata and Kagawa though. Sneidjers best football came in that position, so the comparisons are obvious.
People can play in different positions, but it doesn't mean they are as effective there. Sniedjer in a CM role lacks that defensive side to his game.
Being versatile as a footballer is more of a curse than a gift
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As for Dutch players, When Van Gaal bought the ones for Barca, I think the talent pool was much bigger, which helped him sign more
I don't get why people are not allowed to compare him with Mata and Kagawa though. Sneidjers best football came in that position, so the comparisons are obvious.
People can play in different positions, but it doesn't mean they are as effective there. Sniedjer in a CM role lacks that defensive side to his game.
Being versatile as a footballer is more of a curse than a gift
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As for Dutch players, When Van Gaal bought the ones for Barca, I think the talent pool was much bigger, which helped him sign more
Büttner ?
He is nowhere near as bad as Young or Fellaini, he does his job and is a good backup. He is not a fail in my eyes. And even if he is, he is just an exception. Nistelrooy, Van Der Sar, Van Persie, Stam were all crucial players.
I don't think Buttner's failed as such. Failure suggests that we had high hopes for him but he's not lived up to them. If he'd had the career he's had for us so far having previously been highly rated with us paying a premium for his signing I'd say he was a failure. As it is he was bought for cheap out of nowhere with very low expectations. If anything I'd say he's done far better than some would have predicted, especially against Bayern in the first leg.
As others have said, Memphis Depay. He can hit free kicks like Ronaldo and his long range shooting is quite similar too. I'd think he'd be worth a punt if he wasn't too expensive. 20 years old, quick and direct and he looks to take his man on.
All of them good players aswell, it doesn't work like that, I'am sure if we signed Strootman it would work out brilliant for us but names like Depay, Sneijder,Classie, Maher...please the eredivise is such a weak competition these days and the dutch squad isn't hold up with high esteem anymore, there aren't many quality players out there anymore. We have the best of them, the other 2 worth getting here at this club are Robben and Strootman but that is it really.
You go after somebody like Classie and you'll get a dutch Cleverley that will annoy people even more than fellaini and Young. You go for depay, you might aswell just keep playing Young, you go for Maher or Sneijder who both are CAM than you clearly lost your head because we got beter players in Mata, kagawa and for the future Powell and Pereira to play that position.
It is not because they are dutch they will work out, I don't mind dutch players, but they need to be quality, else it is just silly.
This is what I posted in this thread on page two about Depay: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/dutch-players.389403/page-2#post-15549510
Don´t know where you get the whole CM thing from, nonsense imo.
Real Madrid bought Sneijder when he scored 18 goals in 30 league games for Ajax as a #10. Don't remember him playing CM for Real, I think he played as a playmaker in his first season there, second season he struggled and then he went to Internazionale where Mourinho played him as a #10 or out wide on the left. After winning the treble with Inter he played as a #10 for Holland, making it to the World Cup finals.
I remember Marco van Basten used Sneijder as a cdm (Pirlo) at World Cup 2006, he wasn't spectacular there. I think Diego from Athletico is a very similar player to Sneijder, also Kagawa has a lot of similarities, and both aren't players most people consider playing central midfield.
Last but not least: Van Gaal does not seem to rate Sneijder at all. He preferred van der Vaart in the qualifiers as a #10 and is now considering playing without a #10 (so without Sneijder) at the World Cup in Brazil. So all in all very, very, very unlikely we will go for Sneijder.
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http://www.football-lineups.com/team/Ajax/Eredivisie_2006-2007/campaign/
Your "opinion" is nonsense then.
Ajax mostly played 3 in their forward line and none of them were Sneijder. He was in central midfield.
Madrid decided to buy him for 27 million euros after that season