dutch players

I dont, but I know Willems has done well for PSV

Not really, they're 5th in the league (sort of having the same season we are havin) and like I said, his form this season was so dire that LVG is considering not selecting him at all. Last year his form wasn't great either. And he sucked at Euro 2012, but that was not his fault, since he was the youngest player of the tournament and had only played 20 matches professionally.

Van Aanholt (chelsea-loan), Blind, Martins Indi and Kongolo have been way better than Willems this season. Büttner was a way better left back in the eredivise than Willems has been thus far imho, and I don't think Büttner is the level of left back we should aim for, hence my skepticism about Willems.
 
Not really, they're 5th in the league (sort of having the same season we are havin) and like I said, his form this season was so dire that LVG is considering not selecting him at all. Last year his form wasn't great either. And he sucked at Euro 2012, but that was not his fault, since he was the youngest player of the tournament and had only played 20 matches professionally.

Van Aanholt (chelsea-loan), Blind, Martins Indi and Kongolo have been way better than Willems this season. Büttner was a way better left back in the eredivise than Willems has been thus far imho, and I don't think Büttner is the level of left back we should aim for, hence my skepticism about Willems.

I thought he was awful at Euro 2012 too
 
Depay and Strootman are the only ones in the current NT worth taking.
 
Assuming we get Carvalho too how would we fit both Strootman and Carvalho in the same team? With Kagawa as the creative cm in 4-3-3?
 
Assuming we get Carvalho too how would we fit both Strootman and Carvalho in the same team? With Kagawa as the creative cm in 4-3-3?

De Gea

Rafael - Smallig - Evans - Evra

Carvalho

Strootman - Kagawa/Mata

Januzaj - Van Persie/Rooney - Welbeck
 
De Gea

Rafael - Smallig - Evans - Evra

Carvalho

Strootman - Kagawa/Mata

Januzaj - Van Persie/Rooney - Welbeck
That's how i imagine too. I don't know why Moyes didn't even give a shot for a formation like this one above. We have the players and the 4-4-2 wasn't working at all.
 
Strootman would be a dead cert if Van Gaal comes. I'd imagine it would also affect Kroos' thought process.
He would be great for us but he has suffered a bad injury that will see him miss the world cup. With those types of injury you never know how they'll affect the player, so I guess we won't go for him this summer.
 
From what I've seen of Clasie, I haven't been that impressed and don't think he's the talent many seem to. I think Maher has great potential though, and I like the look of Memphis, although he's one who could go either way.

I've heard very good things about Veltman, although I haven't really watched him in any detail.
 
None of those bar Strootman are really good for us. Alot of them have at least 2 or 3 steps to make before they could be first choice players here and I don't think many of them will make those steps. Sneijder was a good player at Inter but is well over his best, shouldn't go anywhere near him if we have common sense. Laughing my balls of over the suggestion of Castaignos, if Hernandez leaves we have a far better player ligned up in James Wilson.

There are only 3 Dutch players that are good enough to play for Manchester United and that is RVP, Robben and Strootman.
 
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Maher has been terrible this year. Phenomenal for AZ the year before but the move from AZ to PSV just didn't work for him. He's had a bit of a typical 'Dutch diva' tantrum too.
 
None of those bar Strootman are really good for us. Alot of them have at last 2 or 3 steps to make before they could be first choice players here and I don't think many of them will make those steps. Sneijder was a good player at Inter but is well over his best, shouldn't go anywhere near him if we have common sense. Laughing my balls of over the suggestion of Castaignos, if Hernandez leaves we have a far better player ligned up in James Wilson.

There are only 3 Dutch players that are good enough to play for Manchester United and that is RVP, Robben and Strootman.

I'd seriously consider supporting another team if we sign Castaignos, same goes for Clasie, but it will never happen, I'm pretty sure of that.
 
I'd seriously consider supporting another team if we sign Castaignos, same goes for Clasie, but it will never happen, I'm pretty sure of that.
What do you think of Depay? Will he be a starter in the WC?
 
What do you think of Depay? Will he be a starter in the WC?

I posted this in another thread where someone asked about Depay, Blind and other Dutch players. Don't think Depay will be a starter unless Lens gets injured, but he might be the first choice substitution.

,,Depay is pretty special, but I find it very hard to rate wingers. Because Messi started out on the wing, compared to Messi at 19 years old, Depay is mediocre, same goes if you compare him with Ronaldo. Also Adnan and Sterling are even younger than Depay and they've already shown it on the highest level now, so I would rate them higher. But I saw a young Robben at PSV, Depay has roughly the same impact although he is a different player. And Robben is one of the best in the world now, so like I said rating wingers is tricky, I don't think we need Depay just yet. He has a great mentality though, looks like trouble with his tattoos, but that's just looks. He wants to be like Ronaldo, he hired a nutritionist for himself at age 18, is extremely well trained, just like a young Ronaldo.

Daley Blind is another story. He reminds me off Giovanni van Bronckhorst a bit. Excellent on the ball, nothing fancy, but great 'functional technique' as we call it, first touch always good, good vision and passing. Is a central midfielder, but can play left back very well on low levels. Lacks speed for absolute top club as a left back, I think Giovanni was a little bit more intelligent and perhaps faster too. Blind also lacks quality as a midfielder imho, not the potential Strootman has, think Blind will be a Scott Parker/Gareth Barry level midfielder in his prime, but midfield is Blinds best position and combined with the fact he can play left back, might be an interesting 'ideal multifunctional squad player' for a team like Schalke or Everton in the future.


Personally in the 20-24 years of age category I really rate Bruno Martins Indi and Darryl Janmaat, I don't think they're anywhere near top of the premier league levels, but they could be very good second/third choice defenders for United and perhaps develop, as they're available on the cheap. And they would accept being benched without any problems, so they're interesting squad players the way I see it.

Strootman would be an obvious choice if he recovers well from his ACL, but I don't know if Roma would let him go for less than 35 million, he's only played 8 months for them. You don't know how his recovery is going to go, and for a first choice central midfielder in that price category, we have to get it absolutely right this time, so Strootman might be too much of a gamble, but he would've been excellent for us this season instead of Fellaini and would've saved us 10 million pounds.

In the 17-20 years of age category Tonny Vilhena and Jean-Paul Boëtius and Terrence Kongolo are the three dutch youngsters I rate the most at the moment, all three have the potential to be very good players. I especially like Tonny Vilhena, good alround cm who can potentially can be world class if he keeps developing, sort of a more technical version of Strootman. His manager is Mino Raiola, who tends to have an eye for special talents, we know him from the Pogba saga.

Ricardo Zivkovic and Ricardo Kishna (he's also Mino Raiola player) also look very, very special, but the first one is 17 years and just signed for Ajax, has only played a couple of matches. Same goes for Kishna, who is 19 and broke into Ajax first team a couple of months ago. Tonny, Boëtius and Kongolo have played a little bit more, so it's easier to judge them."

Suggesting Clasie, Veltman and Castaignos is laughable imho.
 
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I see. Nice post. I noticed that about Depay re: physicality, he looks like he's someone who takes a lot of care of himself, especially at the age he is. I wouldn't mind taking him, replacing one of Nani/Young/Valencia as a squad rotation winger.
 
United scouting PSVs Memphis Depay today and hes scored his 14th of the season in the first half
 
the only thing i remember about jetro willems was getting absolutely battered by opposition wingers at euro 2012. but he was only 18 at that time and maybe he has improved.

the only top player the dutch team got at this moment apart from van persie is strootman. he would be perfect for us, and knowing that we need to overhaul our midfield.

Sneijder...:drool::drool::drool: 4 years late but you never know. :lol:
 
the only thing i remember about jetro willems was getting absolutely battered by opposition wingers at euro 2012. but he was only 18 at that time and maybe he has improved.

the only top player the dutch team got at this moment apart from van persie is strootman. he would be perfect for us, and knowing that we need to overhaul our midfield.

Sneijder...:drool::drool::drool: 4 years late but you never know. :lol:

I'll take Sneijder for a short term. Well as long as his injury prone is not really annoying.
 
I'll take Sneijder for a short term. Well as long as his injury prone is not really annoying.
What would you propose we did with him?
Rooney
Mata
Kagawa
Januzaj
Van Persie
All capable of playing behind the striker or in front of the midfield and I'd go as far as saying Nani could probably operate there too given a run back in the side
 
What would you propose we did with him?
Rooney
Mata
Kagawa
Januzaj
Van Persie
All capable of playing behind the striker or in front of the midfield and I'd go as far as saying Nani could probably operate there too given a run back in the side

Sneijder is a centre midfield who can also play as a number 10 role. It's like Cabaye. While Mata, Kagawa, Rooney are more advanced role than Sneijder and Cabaye
 
Do you know much about him? If so; do you rate him?
He has a huge amount of talent but a huge ego to go with it. Seems very driven to become the best he can be including stuff like hiring his own nutritionist and personal trainer. He plays the same way as Ronaldo and takes as many shots as Ronaldo but doesn't have enough of an end product yet to justify it. He's also pretty volatile and seems likely to lash out at any time. Basically if you could get him playing to his full potential he could be brilliant but if things aren't going well people will feel like they do about Nani
 
He has a huge amount of talent but a huge ego to go with it. Seems very driven to become the best he can be including stuff like hiring his own nutritionist and personal trainer. He plays the same way as Ronaldo and takes as many shots as Ronaldo but doesn't have enough of an end product yet to justify it. He's also pretty volatile and seems likely to lash out at any time. Basically if you could get him playing to his full potential he could be brilliant but if things aren't going well people will feel like they do about Nani

So should we sign him for next season or wait or sign another one?
In your opinion
 
So should we sign him for next season or wait or sign another one?
In your opinion
A lot obviously depends on who we get rid of. I think it will be easier to judge after seeing how he does in the world cup as well if he gets a chance as playing for PSV he gets a lot of freedom because of the way they play but if he does well for Holland under a bit of pressure in the world cup I wouldn't be surprised to see Van Gaal go for him
 
Depay would be great. Physically, he's such an animal for his age - I've often seen him pinball and bounce away from defenders when they go in against him - and he has the ability to score and create things. Still a little raw and wasteful but he's only 19.
 
Sneijder is a centre midfield who can also play as a number 10 role. It's like Cabaye. While Mata, Kagawa, Rooney are more advanced role than Sneijder and Cabaye
I haven't seen much of him since his move to Turkey so I may be wrong but he was never a centre mid he was too attacking and left huge gaps in the middle.
His best position is occupied by arguably better players and he is older than every one of them.