If you are going to rant about citizens of the US only knowing about battles the US was involved in.....
Dunkirk - Christopher Nolan's next film
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If you are going to rant about citizens of the US only knowing about battles the US was involved in.....
Yeah I have forgotten a lot of stuff mentioned in classes when I was in school. Dunkirk usually got a mention in my history classes, though no real detailed analysis.
Well, the Eastern front is just a footnote here. And it would've been the largest war in history on its own, not to mention it was the Soviets that ultimately took down Hitler-not the West.
For many of us, WWII doesn't start until Pearl Harbor.
I wouldn't just point the finger at Americans; I'm a kiwi and we didn't learn about Dunkirk here in NZ. The more I read about it the more I'm shocked we weren't taught it.
Guys i'm not "pointing the finger" at Americans here, I plain as day said I don't blame the people that don't know.. if you aren't taught it you aren't taught it.. you can't help that..
I more just said I find it amazing the amount that haven't even heard of it considering how much of a significant part of WW2 it was.
I more just said I find it amazing the amount that haven't even heard of it considering how much of a significant part of WW2 it was.
I shouldn't have worded it like that. It's just that you said Americans barely teach students about the battles they weren't in, but I find in general that most people don't seem to know about dunkirk. Especially, as you point out, for how large scale it was.
Fair enough, and that last point you made is just what I find amazing. Like you said, considering the scale etc
Meh trailer.
My mate's grandad was at Dunkirk. Said he walked for three days and only had a bar of chocolate to eat.
He was a tight fecker. Once gave his grandkids a 6 pack of white socks for christmas. A pair each. Also some of those free cars that you used to get from Shell garages with coupons.
He was a tight fecker. Once gave his grandkids a 6 pack of white socks for christmas. A pair each. Also some of those free cars that you used to get from Shell garages with coupons.
Feck sake, Harry Styles is going to be in it a lot.
37 seconds in - those folk near the explosion who haven't quite synchronized their "being pushed by the force of the blast" dive
Screw it though, it's a Nolan film so I know I'm going to watch it.
Screw it though, it's a Nolan film so I know I'm going to watch it.
Looks pretty meh.
Tbf though, after SPR's opening scene, any WWII beachfront battle would look underwhelming.
Tbf though, after SPR's opening scene, any WWII beachfront battle would look underwhelming.
God, Hollywoods approach to WW2 movies is sooo boring. I'm actually surprised Dunkirk hasn't been done yet, I mean it ticks all the boxes:
- Nazis with overwhelming military superiority
- Allies getting their asses handed but turn it around through bravery and bold decision making
- Overall a loss on paper but in the greater scheme Allies achieve an important (moral) victory
Like someone said on the first page, why can't they make a movie where the Brits and Yanks "kicked arses, not where pluck and spirit saved them from the overpowering forces of the Nazis"?
Don't think WW2 is Nolan territory anyway, he likes to operate with an environment where he can form versatile characters and surprising plot developments. In a history movie most is already given and I don't think he'll displays the horror of war better than others already have.
- Nazis with overwhelming military superiority
- Allies getting their asses handed but turn it around through bravery and bold decision making
- Overall a loss on paper but in the greater scheme Allies achieve an important (moral) victory
Like someone said on the first page, why can't they make a movie where the Brits and Yanks "kicked arses, not where pluck and spirit saved them from the overpowering forces of the Nazis"?
Don't think WW2 is Nolan territory anyway, he likes to operate with an environment where he can form versatile characters and surprising plot developments. In a history movie most is already given and I don't think he'll displays the horror of war better than others already have.
Perversely, I think I might enjoy this more than his other recent films. For me it's his attempt to be too clever with the plot that is his major weak point. Usually ends up with a muddled mess full of silly contrivances and plot holes. What he does do well is create a foreboding atmosphere and an immersive visual/soundscape that knocks your socks off on the big screen. Apply all of that to an action-packed war movie and this could be a belter. So long as he steers clear of the tricksy/soppy bollox that ruined his last movie.
Looks incredible.
Fair fecks to Harry Styles getting a part in this epic.
Fair fecks to Harry Styles getting a part in this epic.
It's Nolan. It'll be dumbed down PG-13 action. Better than Pearl Harbour though, I suppose.
Yeah, it'll be one where the powerful cinematic visuals will be carrying for me. A bit like Interstellar, which also had Van Hoytema working on it with Nolan.
God I hope not. You need to do this Saving Private Ryan guts everywhere style or not at all.
With a soundtrack you can hear from space.
That was something else. Also, some scenes from Band of Brothers, despite it being TV.
Totally agreed. Notice that his brother has a big hand in Westworld also. It suffers from the same delusions of grandeur as his Chris Nolans films IMO.
I wonder what the twist ending will be.
Was a parallel universe all along, Nazis were actually the good guys.
Clearly one that's definitely to be seen in IMAX
Trailer looked good, but not as good as Interstellar's trailers which were just fantastic. Those trailers made me very very eager to watch the movie.
Regarding Hollywood's approach to WW2, Inglourious Basterds was brilliant. Tarantino got it spot on with the resistance kicking ass and defeating the Nazis. But for the war scenes, no movie can match the opening Normandy landing scene from Saving Private Ryan. Outstanding.
But yeah, a common complaint about Nolan is that he fills his movies with complicated plots and contrivances, which he can't do now with a WW2 story that is based on facts and history. He's moved away from Inception and Interstellar, which was science fiction, for this one. Hoyte van Hoytema did a beautiful job with Interstellar. The beach, sea and air scenes in this one look promising. It should be good cinema. Good cast as well. Needs to be watched in IMAX.
Regarding Hollywood's approach to WW2, Inglourious Basterds was brilliant. Tarantino got it spot on with the resistance kicking ass and defeating the Nazis. But for the war scenes, no movie can match the opening Normandy landing scene from Saving Private Ryan. Outstanding.
But yeah, a common complaint about Nolan is that he fills his movies with complicated plots and contrivances, which he can't do now with a WW2 story that is based on facts and history. He's moved away from Inception and Interstellar, which was science fiction, for this one. Hoyte van Hoytema did a beautiful job with Interstellar. The beach, sea and air scenes in this one look promising. It should be good cinema. Good cast as well. Needs to be watched in IMAX.
Harry Styles is a weird name but it's almost too shit to be a pseudonym.
I have a feeling he will focus more upon Cillian Murphy's character and complicate things through his experiences. Nolan loves a bit of time jumping too. He'l find a way to weave it in
I can't remember the last time a movie focused on a Cillian Murphy character.
Just seen the advert on youtube. Looks good and I've always been a fan of the WW genre. Would love to see a battle of britain epic with spitfires and luftwaffe battling it out and uboats, think it would make for a seriously good movie.
Anyone else see him mimicking Kubrick in terms of genre? (Interstellar/2001, Dunkirk, FMJ).
I think you're on to something Aldo. Science fiction and war films are far too niche for that to be a coincidence.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing how Styles gets on in this. I think he's been quite clever in how he's basically kept his head down and his mouth shut during his One Direction stint. Despite being in one of the most popular boy band of all times, while the others were opening their mouths and letting all sorts of waffle come out, he always seemed to be the quiet one knowing that anything he does say will be held against him. I think that's quite a shrewed move (I'm guessing on advice from an agent) as it's given him a surprisingly clean slate to work with as an adult. It'll be a lot easier for him to shift the boy band image than it will for the others.
Good point. Sunshine?
Tommy Shelby and Alfie Solomons is in it, good enough for me.
Apologies, you are right of course. Just a coincidence.
Love Cillian Murphy and Tom Hardy.
Probably Anthropoid, released earlier this year.
Interstellar was definitely a heavy nod towards 2001.
Nolan's last couple of films have tried to be a lot more clever than they are. That's been the problem for me...or rather they haven't been clever enough for the subject matter.
This is different as it's base don historical events so it'll only piss me off in that respect if it isn't accurate. I've no problem with the idea of painting it as a victory in the sense of bravery, escape, as long as it doesn't in doing so try to make it feel good somehow or re-invent what actually happened. It's a war film about a horrific event.
I think it'll be decent though. I just have an inkling Nolan will do a good job of showing the gravity and desperateness of the situation.
This is different as it's base don historical events so it'll only piss me off in that respect if it isn't accurate. I've no problem with the idea of painting it as a victory in the sense of bravery, escape, as long as it doesn't in doing so try to make it feel good somehow or re-invent what actually happened. It's a war film about a horrific event.
I think it'll be decent though. I just have an inkling Nolan will do a good job of showing the gravity and desperateness of the situation.