Starting to suspect that myself.
Would love to see an instagram of Mendez, Raiola and Jose in a Jacuzzi laughing while smoking havana cigars to crush that myth
Duncan Castles : Jose Mourinho on collision course with Ed Woodward over Manchester United transfers
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Starting to suspect that myself.
Would love to see an instagram of Mendez, Raiola and Jose in a Jacuzzi laughing while smoking havana cigars to crush that myth
Agree Would take Douglas costa at a bigger price
Absolutely. He has that x-factor but Jose seems to like the hard working players a lot
But he's cheaper, Bayern want €50M...
Why go for fourth when we would Traveller ourselves for the final? You're making no sense.
Agree with everything. He is not content with our squad, obviously, that's why Ed has the list since March.
I think it's just Castles adding this to the fact that it's already July and came up with that article. The same way he came up with the list of players that were apparently for sale last year (like Mata or Blind, who both played a crucial part in the campaign last season).
Yeah I know, that's why I said it to underline my point. Would rather overpay for a superior player
They both played a crucial part yes, but knowing Jose.. I felt it was almost as if he was trying too hard to show how much he has changed and become mature. They're not his cup of tea as players and I am sure if left to his devices, he'd love to sell them or at least bring in the players he wants and not have to rely on either of them.
Not sure how ITK Castles is, but there is no smoke without fire and to be fair, it is in his interests to come across as though he isn't completely right otherwise everyone would 100% know he is being used by Jose. It serves Jose's interests for Castles to come out with shite sometimes as it can throw people off the scent.. all very smoke and mirrors.
Yeah same here.
First stint at Chelsea? power struggles with DOF, the Shevchenko debacle, the drying up of signings.
He wasn't particularly happy at Madrid either due to not being given free reign with transfers.
Second stint at Chelsea, unhappy with second season transfer window.
He hasn't quit, but it has always led to a toxic environment in which he almost wants to get the chop or makes it his way or the highway.
Far too early to tell with this window, but it is definitely something to keep an eye on. If he is unhappy at the end of this summer, then we are in for a very eventful season put it that way and not because of our performances on the pitch.
Inter are asking €55m for Perisic, they rejected our €45m plus bonuses offer.
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One of the great lies of transfer speculation/reporting of these types of things.
Not really, it can be quite useful.. see Lindelof. Like it seems like a far out rumour, everyone thought it is another Gaitan and lo and behold it happened.
Of course sometimes things are plucked out of thin air, but sometimes that saying holds true and in this instance, it doesn't seem like a total bullshit story which is utterly inconceivable.
But the ongoing, never ending Gaitan already a done deal rumors, just prove my point that much of what gets published this time of year is totally untrue and there is no fire, just a lot of smoke being blown around.
Every summer we get linked to around 100 players, no way there are 100 fires to go with them.
We have already had stories this summer of Conte being ready to quit, Rafa ready to quit at Newcastle, but very little of substance behind them. The same holds true with this story. It began as a made up opinion by de Brun based on such things as the tone of Ed's voice in an interview, within 24 to 48 hrs suddenly all sorts of journo's are repeating the story as if they have some inside sources. So it is not inconceivable, but if you pay attention to how the story unfolded and where it started, it is easy to see there very well could be smoke without a fire.
Fair enough, can go both ways. Bottom line is we all just need to wait and see how things go down this summer. Sincerely hope there is no issues.
Clearly there is an issue with both the Morata and the Perisic transfers, namely the asking price. Jose wants his targets on board before we jet off to the US, but Ed, clearly fearful of paying over the odds once again, is delaying proceedings.
Jose will not be overly pleased should they not be signed before we kick off our first game on tour - still a couple weeks away yet - which is perfectly understandable, the sooner the new guys are among the squad, the sooner they can adapt to life as a United player and get to grips with his tactical setup.
Ed needs to get his finger out and do what's necessary.
Our transfer dealings under Ed Woodward have been dreadful. Unprofessional, sloppy, and reflect upon a club which seems to wish to held in 'transition' for ever. Other big Euro clubs do not seem to have these issues, and Man City, Chelsea and maybe some others, now seem to be surpassing us as an attractive option. I always sense an absolute arrogance about Ed Woodward and I stated years ago I would like to see him go. Or just concentrate on Marketing. July 5th and one signing? It's a joke.
At this rate I'll be driving up to Old Trafford and Ed can deal with me.
Transfer window is shocking so far.
Transfer window is shocking so far.
So we sow the seeds of financial suicide just to keep him happy? Because thats what we will be essentially doing buy paying unreasonable fees for unproven, average and aging players. Yes things turn to shit when Jose is pissed but then all those clubs that had to sack him are better off for not having him right now. Decisions have to be made that benefit the club's long term future and avoid establishing a reputation of being an easy mark on the negotiating table.
If Jose is insistent on Morata, Perisic and Matic at the quoted prices then Ed needs to tell him where to shove it and come back with a more realistic list.
Not to stick up for Ed as I think it's been shocking so far, but the Man United tax is killing us.
I've read some utter shite on the site before but this is gold!
The thing I don't get is if we played 4-3-3 and signed a player similar to Kanté we could play top class wingers who create goals (which is their actual job after all).
Our problem was last season we had Pogba who doesn't really provide protection in a midfield 2 so we were left exposed. Jose took this as using the wingers to solidify the defence.
He didn't really do this with Chelsea because he had Makelele and Matic. I don't remember Robben and Duff tracking back and they were an unbelievable front 3 with Drogba.
I'm making no sense? It's pretty obvious mate.
You finished 6th. That means 5 teams were better than you.
Your argument is that you're not bothered if you don't sign any players. You also said that because you were fighting for the Europa cup you couldn't concentrate on the league.
Therefore my argument is you should be bothered about signing more players. You need to improve the quality of your squad (to fight on multiple fronts) and also your first 11 so you can then beat all of those 5 teams.
not quite sure why I had to explain that or how can you disagree.
He has made valid points though. Last summer we bought good players but:
Zlatan: free transfer and we basically made the guy the highest paid player in the league. He had no other offers that good.
Micky: In his last year of contract and we still somehow paid nearly £30m
Pogba: Believed to be £90m which is an absolute rip off but I still firmly believe it's more than this including Raiola's cut
Bailly: The only one that was done quickly, quietly and at good value
We pay over the odds for every player we buy or transfers trundle on and on. Chelsea get it done. Rudiger today, there was little news that was happening until today when he signed. City were similar with Bernardo Silva.
People say other clubs get stuff done more quietly and quickly, anyone ever think that it appears that way because you're not obsessing over their business like ours and seeing tweet after tweet, and reading every little thing daily? I'm sure if you spent as much time studying what's happening on twitter for these other teams, the deals wouldn't seem so straight forward.
This has been stated many times before. A prime example of this is the Thiago transfer. So many people were so certain he was ours, then they all were equally certain that Bayern just up and decided in the middle of the window to sign him and got it done within days. The truth was that Bayern was linked to him for as long, maybe even longer than we were, but people ignored those links. The press in England focused on the United links, because of well, click bait is the simplest way to put it. They know they get more readers by focusing on links to United then focusing on links to other clubs.
I forget the player City signed a few years back, but again posters went nuts over how quickly it was done, then when the player gives his first interview he mentions that the process started back in February a good 5 or 6 months before the deal was completed....oooops.
Except we DID beat some of those 5 teams. We're further in the Champions League and won 3 pieces of silverware compared to City, Liverpool and Spurs' big fat zero.
The league was over since December. Coming second is no different to coming 4th. We had a chance to win a trophy and get the Champions League anyway and we took it. It would be absolute madness to risk injuries in those "race to top 4" games when we have a crunching European final up. Even if we had a stacked squad, we still wouldn't have risked that.
People who say "LAWL BUT U CAME SIXTH!!!" are deluded. It was a great first season for Mourinho.
Pogba will look an absolute bargain this year.
His age and profile meant we paid a very fair price.
I have defended Woody but I must admit I was expecting something big this week, 1 maybe 2.
I find it hard believe we will go on tour with only Lindelof added.
I find it hard believe we will go on tour with only Lindelof added.
it doesn't have to be because woodie was at rugby or some complex reason to do with griezmann and madrid.
maybe we can't get out targets because we finished 6th last year
maybe we can't get out targets because we finished 6th last year
It's only Wednesday?
Thursday pretty much.
We fly Sunday. Not saying he won't pull something out of the bag but looking unlikely.
Moaning we haven't signed players in the future, that's a first.
I see panic mode all over the place. To late. To much. Not good enough.
As far as I can see we are right on track.
Selling Rooney is probably first priority, both financially and regarding publicity who follows this high profile transfer. Step two is to finalize one probabaly two signings before next week, or in a worst case scenario before our first competitive game in August. We are in no hurry at all, another week or two doesn't change much teagarding our preparations. We often use our squad players the first two three games in pre season before the big guns enter the stage. Third step is to see if we can afford our fourth signing and if that profile is inside our budget.
If something's goes wrong then we can starts to panic, but we're not even close to that moment yet.
This is such a ridiculous post, an opinion none the less. The amount of stick Ed gets is bemusing.
Ed is a professional and is probably unrivaled in his field, moreso that José is in his field. People are acting like the man is also an employee of Manchester United, and is answerable to his bosses. For all the shambles since Fergie left, the man has pulled off some ridiculous stunts to the great benefit of the club. He may have had a slow start under Moyes but he has been pulling out all the stops ever since. We would not have had the summer we had last year without Ed, even though we had José, no chance.
At the end of the day, he is Jose's boss and he would have told him what is expected regarding the profile of players the club are interested in. It's up to José to work around that or he should not have accepted the job if that is the case. José is not the only pragmatic professional in the club, Ed is super at that too.
José is probably paid more than Ed and if both get fired today, José will walk away with a much bigger pay packet, so any thought that Ed does not care about the job and the success of his job is ridiculous. If anything, he is probably more passionate about Manchester United than José Mourinho. It wasn't Ed that didn't deliver last season.
Cheer up. I think we will sign someone before we leave on Sunday anyway, give Ed a chance.
Who's panicking, I'm not panicking, NOBODY PANIC!!!...Yet.
Thanks for providing insight on the thought structure of Jose Mourinho. The inner workings of such a complicated and mentally diverse brain must have proved monumentally difficult to crack. Kudos to you.
Anywho.. The step by step process is thus: 1) Sell Rooney cos he's shit init. And fat. 2) Secure two signings before we kick off the first game of the tour. 3) Check piggy bank for the necessary funds in order to procure the third and final signing, essentially forming the triumvirate; the coaltion whom will bring the title back to Old Trafford where it belongs. Sound plan. I likey.
In the highly unlikely scenario that the above plan fails to bare fruit, at which point do we begin the panic process?