Emirate in saying you want Dubai the club?You want Dubai the club, you say?
Emirate in saying you want Dubai the club?You want Dubai the club, you say?
I mean, give me a choice between a blood-sucking parasite who masquerades as a billionaire tycoon (Joel Glazer) and a state from the UAE with a long history of human rights issues that would use the name of our club to wash the stain from their reputation, well, I'm probably going with the parasite. The lesser of two evils if you like.
And I hate bugs
Im sure they do to israel aswell which has imposed apartheid in palestine.The Glazers also donate sizeable sums to the Democrats.
Emir, aren’t I?Emirate in saying you want Dubai the club?
I’m totally with you. However, the parasite will be selling to the highest bidder. Like I said yesterday - this is now Pandora’s box. Jim needs to stump up some cash if he’s serious.I mean, give me a choice between a blood-sucking parasite who masquerades as a billionaire tycoon (Joel Glazer) and a state from the UAE with a long history of human rights issues that would use the name of our club to wash the stain from their reputation, well, I'm probably going with the parasite. The lesser of two evils if you like.
And I hate bugs
I know this is a serious subject, but domestic abuse by the Emir is incredibly benign and tiny stuff compared to the US and Afghan invasion and the deaths caused by covid denial.
The glazers funded the politicans that did that, before and after the fact. You're making a really good case for the Emir being a more moral owner than the Glazers.
You make it seem the the Glazer's contribution to the GOP are just a few pennies that fell out of their pockets and ended up there by accident.
They've organized fundraisers for Bush and Trump. That's giving their own money and persuading other oligarchs to do the same, spanning at least 2 decades (possibly even longer, I haven't looked into it that deeply). They've done so before and after their policies that killed a million people. They live in a free country in which they could just fund the corporate dems, or make the decision to not contribute and be slightly less wealthy in return.
A US oligarch and active republican donor is just as evil, if not more so, than the emir of dubai.
You really shouldn't separate financial backers of politicians from the politicans in the US. they're one and same. There is no way to win an election of a significant scale in that system. In many ways the US is an oligarchy.
That's what I'm talkign 'Abu't...(I'm Canadian, so that one is incorporating the Canadian accent.)Emir, aren’t I?
Only Mike Keegan reporting this then? clearly rubbish if that's the case.
Your a emir of your own house.Emir, aren’t I?
These new owners? Not sure alaykum...Your a emir of your own house.
It's not loads really. Even if you start with a few dozen people, their appettite for a 4-5bn investment in a Manchester-based soccer club should quickly brings it down to a handful at best.The good news is you wouldn't be constrained to just two choices. There are loads of billionaires (especially in the US) that have net worths upwards of 50 billion who could easily buy United. Steve Ballmer instance, is worth 100b and already owns a basketball team. Larry Ellison is rumored to be a massive sports fan and is worth over 100b as well. And that's before we get into Gates, Bezos, Musk levels of wealth.
Yup, and arguably he's the biggest image washing merchant out there, with the facade of a glitzy city and luxury tourism.They're definitely not one step away. Makhtoum has been entrenched in all kinds of controversies including the kidnapping of his own daughter who attempted to flee Dubai, one of this wives had to flee the country with her two kids to avoid abuse. One can see why he would want to sportwash away all of this by presenting his subjects a shiny new gift to rebuild his credibility.
Tax the foreign (slave) workers of course.How will Dubai buy the club when it already in few billion dollars debt to AbuDhabi?
This isnt Abu Dhabi. Dubai doesn’t have that much money to throw around now considering its oil reserves are next to nothing.Emirates airlines is run very professionally and so is their airport. Yes, they have an appalling human rights record in their own country. But they won't hire imbeciles to run United if they buy it. They are going to get professionals to run it. By the way 3 or 4 billion is nothing to them.
This isnt true for Manchester united. Few sports team can claim to be on the status that Manutd enjoy throughout the worldIt's not loads really. Even if you start with a few dozen people, their appettite for a 4-5bn investment in a Manchester-based soccer club should quickly brings it down to a handful at best.
Then you have to consider continued interest/commitment as a desirable factor going forward. If rich dude eventually sells to undesirable owners you are back in square one, except you may as well have had stable undesirable owners to begin with. You need rich dude to agree with Gates re eventually giving all that money away, i.e. fans inheriting club ownership.
There aren't that many realistic good and sustainable options. The biggest problem though is the value to be unlocked is inevitably greater for a sportswashing project and the ones assessing the offers are these leeches.
The bolded part was abundantly clear 3 posts back.Who's talking about the Glazers? And sorry, but frankly I have no interest in a discussion about ethics with someone whose point of departure is as futile and irrelevant as the reductive dualism that you're espousing.
English owned > Dubai owned
In what world is the owner of the state not a state actor? This is a ridiculous argument.He is not a state actor, he owns the state. He is the sovereign.
In england the sovereign is the parliament while in dubai it is the ruler himself.
It's not loads really. Even if you start with a few dozen people, their appettite for a 4-5bn investment in a Manchester-based soccer club should quickly brings it down to a handful at best.
Then you have to consider continued interest/commitment as a desirable factor going forward. If rich dude eventually sells to undesirable owners you are back in square one, except you may as well have had stable undesirable owners to begin with. You need rich dude to agree with Gates re eventually giving all that money away, i.e. fans inheriting club ownership.
There aren't that many realistic good and sustainable options. The biggest problem though is the value to be unlocked is inevitably greater for a sportswashing project and the ones assessing the offers are these leeches.
Im sure they do to israel aswell which has imposed apartheid in palestine.
I tend to agree.Dubai is the UAE, so there is that. I don't see the point in comparing which terrible situation is more terrible. Just sounds like a gateway to acceptance.
Even Uruguay has billionaires, it doesn't mean they have 5bn spare to buy a shiny toy. Those you mention at the end are the sort I counted as "a few dozen" and at best we can hope for one of those to be mildly interested, if that.There are 725 billionaires in the US alone and about a 1000 if you factor in Canada and Europe, so that is plenty of people (aka loads). Buying United would be pocket change for the likes of Gates, Buffet, Musk, Ellison, Bryn, Page, Zuckerberg, Bezos et al.
I wish people would open their eyes a bit about the west incl. the US. We can blame and slate Dubai and Saudi Arabia as much as we want but we need to look at ourselves too.
Also, look what they’re doing at City, you need to give these countries a chance to change.
This club shapes your world view, that's why it's great for sportswashers. Most American billionaires likely never even heard of us and would almost definitely be more attracted to 5bn worth of any sort of philanthropy ahead of sorting our problem of disliking our owners.This isnt true for Manchester united. Few sports team can claim to be on the status that Manutd enjoy throughout the world
Even Uruguay has billionaires, it doesn't mean they have 5bn spare to buy a shiny toy. Those you mention at the end are the sort I counted as "a few dozen" and at best we can hope for one of those to be mildly interested, if that.
This isnt Abu Dhabi. Dubai doesn’t have that much money to throw around now considering its oil reserves are next to nothing.
If we have to accept human rights abusers then atleast they should be filthy rich. Dubai would be a disaster on both fronts
Bush is the epitome of "human rights" as the face of the Iraq invasion and the millions killed as direct consequence of the said action. However nobody talks about this aspect when describing the Glazers ownership.The Glazers have used more of their own money to support Trump and Bush than they’ve put into Man Utd…
Any owner is better than them.
There is no difference between them. Aiding and financing Bush and Benjamin Netanyahu put blood on their fecking hands as well.Yes, but there is no comparison between an absolute monarch kidnapping his own family members and people in a democratic nation contributing to one of two available political parties. Makhtoum is representing the credibility of the state he leads and all of the policies he himself has enacted along the way. Private owners such as the Glazers or any others are just that - private individuals engaged in business. There is therefore light years difference between the two which should be very obvious. This is in no way an endorsement of the Glazers of course. Just a statement that one should not want United in the hands of any nation state, especially one with a terrible human rights record a ruler who is increasingly unhinged.
There is no difference between them. Aiding and financing Bush and Benjamin Netanyahu put blood on their fecking hands as well.
everyone knows the glazers are scumbags. it was known before they bought the club. the point is really simple. concentrated wealth, when we're speaking about hundreds of millions or billions, almost always implies terrible things. but there are degrees of terrible. ideally, the club would be supporter owned. anything less than that represents something crap. but as i said, there is a scale of crap. the glazers are indirectly tied to terrible things through political spending. the uae and its royal family are directly tied to a genocidal war in yemen, which the americans and some european states do also participate in, something which is a disgrace, but in relative terms you'd be hard pressed to argue that the glazers are worse than anyone whose wealth is tied up so intimately in warfare.The Glazers have used more of their own money to support Trump and Bush than they’ve put into Man Utd…
Any owner is better than them.
So they should accept being called out as endorsers of war criminalsThey can support whoever they want as citizens and business people. That's how the system works in a democratic society, which is in stark difference to autocratic ones where dictators and absolute monarchs are the state, and are directly responsible for state policies. That's light years away from a businessman contributing to a political party (or in the case of the Glazers, to both US parties).