Douglas Costa?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Says their long history of selling players for good money if they are certain they can replace them with little fuss. All the way from the Ravenelli's and Vialli, to Zizou to Pogba.



Huh? At what point did a single thing I said give you the notion I think that?:confused:

I strictly said Douglas Costa is dispensable and Juventus are not averse to selling such players for good money, even if they still have use of them. I fail to see how that gave you an in liking that I think Juve a second tier entity or in need of selling players....:lol:

Personally, I've never known Juve to be in need to sell when they have cashed in on players.


You also have Bernadeschi who can do the exact same things. I'm far from convinced If a club offered Juve anything in the region of 50+ m for the Brazillian they'd turn it down. Its not like your season would implode without him. Remember Juventus sold a player like Coman without blinking. Yet its not like he was of zero use to them.


I simply believe Douglas Costa is one of those players you can convince them to sell you If you are offering them a healthy profit on what they got for him.
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I have not said that juve doesn't sell. I said there is not a chance in hell that we will sell in January weakening a side that is fighting on 3 fronts, especially now with cuadrado and bernardeschi that have injuries. Juve sells strategically to strengthen the team and having already planned how to invest the money, not to get a quick buck in the winter market since if doesn't need to.
No key player has ever been sold in January and assuming that juve will sell Costa because they receive an offer that is not even high implies that you either don't know the situation or you assume that juve is a team in financial distress and is forced to sell at the buyer's conditions.
 
He's Brazilian version of Nani, magnificent but inconsistent. I'll take him in heartbeat, better than anyone we can play on the right.
 
B&Wandmore said:
I have not said that juve doesn't sell. I said there is not a chance in hell that we will sell in January weakening a side that is fighting on 3 fronts, especially now with cuadrado and bernardeschi that have injuries.
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You did not.

First,
You never mentioned neither Bernersdeschi nor Cuardardo before, nor '3 fronts' in our first interaction. It was infact I who even brought up Bernerdeschi to you, and ONLY because I was unware he got injured after the Roma game, which would render a Costa unsalable given what I do know about Juve and how they approach a transfer market.

You instead strictly argued Douglas Costa is indispensible based strictly on what he offers as a player, (which I disagreed with Citing a fit Bernerdeschi), On top of strangely trying to imply I see Juve as a second tier selling club or worse a team badly in need of the money.

Don't try to switch positions round after the fact. Seriously....

B&Wandmore said:
Juve sells strategically to strengthen the team and having already planned how to invest the money, not to get a quick buck in the winter market since if doesn't need to.
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Which is PRECISELY what I've already said Juventus do. Here:

"Says their long history of selling players for good money if they are certain they can replace them with little fuss.


They key words being ' IF" and "LITTLE FUSS".


As in they DONT sell planlessly. Never have. Probably never will.

you need to pay better attention
to what you reply to. For if neither of the conditions I stupulated are met, Juve wont ever sell a player like Costa.

B&Wandmore said:
No key player has ever been sold in January and assuming that juve will sell Costa because they receive an offer that is not even high implies that you either don't know the situation or you assume that juve is a team in financial distress and is forced to sell at the buyer's conditions.
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Classic case of deliberately not bothering to read what you reply to:

1. If you think 50 plus million 'isn't even high'. It Implies you think fees like what was paid for Pogba 'isnt even high'. Or you are being obtuse for the sake of it


2. I'm only responsible for what I type actually means. Not the mad things you CHOOSE to imagine about it. I haven't anywhere, at any point indicated Juve are in financial distress nor need to accede to a buyers needs. Ive pretty much states the opposite. I'd appreciate it if you stuck to what I've actually said. Not what you assume nor trying to attribute what other arguments others have used in here to me.
 
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jesperjaap said:
I hope we play Sanchez right wing, Rashford left wing and Martial up front, think its our best attacking three and far as I can think they have never all started in those positions at all?
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What team have you been watching?

1. Martial's best position is LF. He drifts inside anyway so he basically plays like a striker at a time.
2. Rashford has hit some real form over last few weeks since he started getting game time in his best position.
3. Sanchez can go find a new club. That 400,000 a week mistake needs rectifying. No way should he be our highest earner.
 
We should offer Darmian in exchange. Weren't Juventus supposed to be interested once?
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
You did not.

First,
You never mentioned neither Bernersdeschi nor Cuardardo before, nor '3 fronts' in our first interaction. It was infact I who even brought up Bernerdeschi to you, and ONLY because I was unware he got injured after the Roma game, which would render a Costa unsalable given what I do know about Juve and how they approach a transfer market.

You instead strictly argued Douglas Costa is indispensible based strictly on what he offers as a player, (which I disagreed with Citing a fit Bernerdeschi), On top of strangely trying to imply I see Juve as a second tier selling club or worse a team badly in need of the money.

Don't try to switch positions round after the fact. Seriously....


Which is PRECISELY what I've already said Juventus do. Here:

"Says their long history of selling players for good money if they are certain they can replace them with little fuss.


They key words being ' IF" and "LITTLE FUSS".


As in they DONT sell planlessly. Never have. Probably never will.

you need to pay better attention
to what you reply to. For if neither of the conditions I stupulated are met, Juve wont ever sell a player like Costa.


Classic case of deliberately not bothering to read what you reply to:

1. If you think 50 plus million 'isn't even high'. It Implies you think fees like what was paid for Pogba 'isnt even high'. Or you are being obtuse for the sake of it


2. I'm only responsible for what I type actually means. Not the mad things you CHOOSE to imagine about it. I haven't anywhere, at any point indicated Juve are in financial distress nor need to accede to a buyers needs. Ive pretty much states the opposite. I'd appreciate it if you stuck to what I've actually said. Not what you assume nor trying to attribute what other arguments others have used in here to me.
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Costa would not be sold in January full stop, you can argue all you want:D he would not be sold even with berna and cuadrado healthy, that's just an additional reason.
As for the fee 50 is not high no since we paid him 45. Not sure what does pogba had to do with this since he was paid 110m 2 years ago and we got him for nothing, and was sold in the summer to finance higuain and pjanic.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
What team have you been watching?

1. Martial's best position is LF. He drifts inside anyway so he basically plays like a striker at a time.
2. Rashford has hit some real form over last few weeks since he started getting game time in his best position.
3. Sanchez can go find a new club. That 400,000 a week mistake needs rectifying. No way should he be our highest earner.
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Exactly
 
sam147 said:
Juventus dont need him and should be willing to sell. We do need a RW. It depends on what we want to prioritize in January. If we can somehow sign Alderweireld early and ship Jones/Rojo out. Then it would be a good option to focus on signing Costa. He can be inconsistent but he is better than what we currently have.
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This is a joke. Douglas Costa is an important player in Juventus. He could not play many matches because of an injury and a ban for some weeks because he spit on the face of an opponent for something he said, nobody knows what. Then he required some other weeks to be fit to play.
Usually he plays in second half because this is the best way to use him. When opponents are tired he can destroy their defense running like The Flash in the middle of them. If someone will try to buy him for 40 millions, he will be kicked out immediately.
 
B & W said:
This is a joke. Douglas Costa is an important player in Juventus. He could not play many matches because of an injury and a ban for some weeks because he spit on the face of an opponent for something he said, nobody knows what. Then he required some other weeks to be fit to play.
Usually he plays in second half because this is the best way to use him. When opponents are tired he can destroy their defense running like The Flash in the middle of them. If someone will try to buy him for 40 millions, he will be kicked out immediately.
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You cannot be surprised if he's not satisfied with that.
 
I have only seen him play like 4 times.
3 times for Juventus once in the World Cup for Brazil where he came on as a sub and instantly changed the game.
From what i can remember from whenever I have watched him is that he seemed like a better player than Martial and Rashford.
 
Juve does not sell and only does minor operations in January. This year we will do absolutely nothing.

That said, Costa is Allegri's favorite 12th man. He is always the first sub when we need to change the rhythm of a game. He has not started many games this year due to a long ban and some minor injuries (and Mandzukic's fantastic form). Summing it all up, he is not for sale. In the summer the winger who will leave, if any, will probably be Cuadrado.
 
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When he's on-form and consistent, there's not many better wide players in the world. He can, at will, destroy an opposition with sublime dribbling, speed and crossing. The issue is his consistency. He probably won't ever achieve that kind of consistency at this point. I imagine if he was going to he'd already have done it, especially playing for two dominant league clubs in Bayern and Juventus.
 
if he does join United, it would be typical of him to take the league by storm in his first 10 games (like he did at bayern and juve) and then gradually fizzle out.

On his day he is unplayable. And just like some very talented players he's just too inconsistent. I would love to have him here, but I dont think hes a long term solution to the RW problem.
 
Vanya said:
if he does join United, it would be typical of him to take the league by storm in his first 10 games (like he did at bayern and juve) and then gradually fizzle out.

On his day he is unplayable. And just like some very talented players he's just too inconsistent. I would love to have him here, but I dont think hes a long term solution to the RW problem.
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So,what you're saying is he'd be like Di Maria.
 
Quality player, not sure we need another talented trouble maker though. We need leaders and winners IMO.
 
Spunk the war chest on Sancho. Forget about this spitting lunatic.
 
abdo99 said:
We should offer Darmian in exchange. Weren't Juventus supposed to be interested once?
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I have a news for you. Meanwhile we bought Cancelo. And De Sciglio improved very much his game. I don't think we are interested to any other player in this position. In the past we were interested to Darmian only because the side needed a sub, he was italian and didn't play with Mourinho, and his contract was near to the end, so someone thougt it was possible buy him for a little amount of money. But UTD decided to sell him only for EUR 20 millions or something like that. Juventus refused and I think that now you will lose the player without to receive anything. And I think he will play for other sides than Juventus. Sorry but I think that for EUR 10 millions (that was the offer, I think) you had to sell him, given that he plays only a few matches every year and you knew that he wanted to go.
About the switch Costa/Darmian, you can do this kind of trades only with Inter. In the past they switched Seedorf for Coco, Cannavaro for Carini and Pirlo for Brncic.
 
Adisa said:
You cannot be surprised if he's not satisfied with that.
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He never said he is not satisfied. If you think that this is enough to let Juventus sell him for EUR 40 million, then, given what happened this year, UTD has to sell Pogba for less than EUR 1 million.
 
Any reliable update on this? seeing on twitter by various people we bid £53m ect. any truth or usual BS
 
One of the players I regret we let go to be honest. With both Ribery and Robben on their way out of the game, we just let him go to Juve. Great addition to any attacking side, fast on and off the ball, good crosses, can go inwards, good one on one. No idea why we let him go.
 
Rai Sport said we bid for him but I don't know how reliable they are.
 
I’d take him on loan with an option to buy. He’s not getting game time, so it works for both parties, but no way should we be buying him in Jan.
 
Havent United learnt their lesson in bidding for 30 plus year old wingers... its a big risk especially with adapting to the PL. Sanchez was a PL proven player and struggled at United. Cuadrado was tearing it in Italy and struggled at Chelsea. For the rebuild, i think fans would rather see a long term signing.
 
I suspect we've sounded out the player and his agent and he's OK with the idea but that it won't happen because Juventus won't sell in January. If you look at their squad they'd be left a bit short without him.
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
Havent United learnt their lesson in bidding for 30 plus year old wingers... its a big risk especially with adapting to the PL. Sanchez was a PL proven player and struggled at United. Cuadrado was tearing it in Italy and struggled at Chelsea. For the rebuild, i think fans would rather see a long term signing.
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He's 28.
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
Havent United learnt their lesson in bidding for 30 plus year old wingers... its a big risk especially with adapting to the PL. Sanchez was a PL proven player and struggled at United. Cuadrado was tearing it in Italy and struggled at Chelsea. For the rebuild, i think fans would rather see a long term signing.
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Don't think we need a long term signing for the right. In my opinion we need a someone in that position until until Chong is ready, providing he keeps developing at this rate.
 
enigmista said:
Juve does not sell and only does minor operations in January. This year we will do absolutely nothing.

That said, Costa is Allegri's favorite 12th man. He is always the first sub when we need to change the rhythm of a game. He has not started many games this year due to a long ban and some minor injuries (and Mandzukic's fantastic form). Summing it all up, he is not for sale. In the summer the winger who will leave, if any, will probably be Cuadrado.
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If it is because of Mandzukic - Mandzukic has his position set because CR7 is able to play "off" him like he did with Benzema. It is great when he scores himself - but that is not the main issue with a player like him if you have other players that can score behind him, too.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
He's 28.
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Correct indeed, i am still not convinced to be honest. Last time he scored more then 4 goals in the competition was 5-6 years ago. The team doesnt only need pace but an actual end product in terms of assists and a cross or two. If he is the only realistic option for a reasonable fee, i would be for it, simply because the team is lacking a real right winger for some time now.
 
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