Douglas Costa
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Douglas McCostaIf we are buying a youngster from Brazil from what Ive seen Alex Teixeira from Vasco is a similar age and quality has played a lot more games and would be a lot cheaper and Neymar from Santos is younger and has more potential and has proven more at first team level and would cost a similar amount although he would not be able to come over until January
Why has he got to watch 'The Crying Game'?
Have they lowered the price? Must be shit then. 
I think that's an outrageous comparison. We've spent big on Ljajic and tosic and might do for Costa and obertan too. To say that they are not more likely to make it than the ones you've mentioned is rubbish, the big fees imply that we think they are far far more likely. Its all well good saying that it doesn't matter how many youngsters we bring in because a few will make it but in reality we'd be far better off having fewer options and giving them a lot of playing time than having, many players and non getting enough playing time to develop.
On the wings we'll have: Valenica, Nani, park, Tosic, Ljajic, Obertan and Costa (if signed). With the exception of Park all the others will need a lot of playing time to develop.
If the likes of Nani, Tosic, Ljajic and Costa don't develop here, we'd get a fraction of how much we paid for them.
LOL - startying to worry about you RHD. Between this and your plans to kidnap Ronaldo at the Rovers game. You seem to know waaaay too much about bundling people into the back of hi-ace vans
Nah man - just a massive fan of the A-Team - those boys didnt mess around & got the job done
I hope you are you're not insinuating that i had something to do with Red Rums or Lord Lucan's disappearance?
Just so he doesnt fall foul to a "chick with a dick" during his brazzer festivals & ruin his reputation & mojo!
We gotta go all out in his development
Guys since when did we start believing Goal.com who have clearly quoted The Sun as their source! That IMO is the worst combo to make a story with! Please lets just wait for something more concrete and then start believing he could be on his way here.. Mind I am not saying there is no chance it would happen.. But the last credit worthy news was that we asked to take him on Trial and that got denied... after which he picked up an injury (ankle ligaments, 1 or 2 months) So as of now we should not believe anything till it comes from a credible source..
Urm.. He is and always has been the most effective from the left.. There is no way for me to prove it to you and if there is I cannot possibly have the time to research and prove it to you... However you could watch how and where Nani is played next season and how well he does on the left as compared to how well he would do on the right if he is played there..
Also Silva is not a left winger.. Yes he can play there and used to but he is not quick enough for it.. His best position as of now is either as a support striker or as an Attacking Mid.. So forget about Silva.. As we already have Anderson, Rooney, Berbatov and Welbeck for those 2 roles..
Urm.. He is and always has been the most effective from the left.. There is no way for me to prove it to you and if there is I cannot possibly have the time to research and prove it to you... However you could watch how and where Nani is played next season and how well he does on the left as compared to how well he would do on the right if he is played there..
Also Silva is not a left winger.. Yes he can play there and used to but he is not quick enough for it.. His best position as of now is either as a support striker or as an Attacking Mid.. So forget about Silva.. As we already have Anderson, Rooney, Berbatov and Welbeck for those 2 roles..
You're gonna match Manchester United's bid? I doubt you're that rich, or have any use of him.
I'd take him on a leasing. May trade him with Eto'o, doubt Barca would notice the difference.
otherwise - a typo.
If his price becomes reasonable then I wouldnt be surprised to see us make another transfer this summer. We are stocking up on wide men at the moment and this will give us plenty of potential quality in those positions. Douglas Costa is still quite young and I would expect him to be one for the foreseeable future unless he develops faster than the rest.
Only Fergie will know how to keep all of these players happy and involved because our squad is quite full already.
Only Fergie will know how to keep all of these players happy and involved because our squad is quite full already.
There seems to be a shift of opinion on Costa. A few weeks ago just after the Ronaldo deal had been announced none of us were keen on signing him particularly as he had barely played any matches for Gremio. I have more or less avoided this thread as I had always felt that he wouldn't be coming to United because his club were demanding too much.
But recently people seem more keen on us signing him with comparisons being made to Ronaldinho, Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi. Personally I don't see the point, we have four new additions to the flanks next season, another one doesn't make sense.
But recently people seem more keen on us signing him with comparisons being made to Ronaldinho, Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi. Personally I don't see the point, we have four new additions to the flanks next season, another one doesn't make sense.
This boy Costa is a bit more special tho!
Perhaps going from what I've heard. Can't really comment seeing as I've never seen him play and even youtube videos tend to annoy me.
Still going back to the base point, £20 million on a player who has barely played is a huge gamble.
You sound like Douglas Costa.
I dont think Gremio fans rate him anymore than Bordeaux fans rate Obertan.
Well it pretty much depends on where Obertan and Costa would be used(if we get them both).Assuming both can play in different positions and the fact that we have to look for the future(having Scholes and Giggs retiring soon) it's not a bad idea to stock up with creative midfielders that could very well make it in year or so.
Ljajic can be used centrally as well. It depends on Fergie finding them the right position. It's good to have versatile players with massive potential.
Good points. Considering we are likely to lose 4 squad players at the end of next season (Van der Sar, Neville, Scholes, Giggs), there is no harm in being prepared now. But for the moment it looks like our first team squad is going to be the biggest we've ever had. Quite a few of these players might potentially be good enough for the first 11 sooner than expected.
No chance we will sign him now. We now have Nani, Park, Valencia, Tosic and Oberton fighting for 2 spot (not even counting Welbeck and Ljajic)
We're not just losing 4 players though. We're losing 4 hugely experienced players. 4 players who, well, for the last few seasons at least 2 of them have been on the pitch in all important matches.
We have enough youngsters, if we're now looking for replacements for these old pros we probably need a few more Michael Owen like signings. In fact thats probably part of the reason we got him.
We have Rio, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, O'Shea, Fletcher, Hargreaves, Brown, Berbatov, Rooney, and Park — all 25 years of age and above (apart from Rooney). We really don't need any more than that.
You could argue that some of those don't count as a senior-type player that will lead the team, and I'd agree, but several of them do.
It makes sense to replace old with young, allowing the previously young/mid-twenties to become the senior players. They've been at the club for 2/3/4+ years, so they should be ready for the responsibility.
I most certainly wouldnt pay £20 million for him thats for sure - not even half that, but from the vids he looks class mate. Anything upto £10m would be worth the risk - we paid £12.5m for Ronnie at 18 yrs old, so
No dig at your goodself btw, just some folk seem to think that seeing someone on a you-tube vid isnt enough to constitute saying someone's a good player. Whats the difference in seeing someone on telly & saying he's very promising!
Yeah yeah yeah
Many United fans didnt rate Fletch & O'Shea either - so whats yer point oh mighty one?
Me neither, unless Eyepopper quadruples my allowance a couple of million times. I could get my own black MJ for that amount.
I'd be one of those folk.
Watching them on the telly gives you a proper idea of their strengths and weaknesses, what they're like when they're on form and when they're going through a rough patch, and just generally how well they do the simple things in the build up along with defensive contributions and all that.
Watching yotube videos often gives you the completely wrong impression of a player, and only shows you what they're like when they're playing well and doing the more exciting things.
Doing the simple things well is just as important as doing the more difficult things, for the most part.
We may look like we're stocking up on wide-men, but thats not exactly the way i see it.
Without sounding condescending - United have been playing a system where we have forward players that can play anywhere across the last third.
These lads wont just be told to sit wide-right or wide-left, they'll be all over the last third. We're not as predictable as that now!
Was Ronnie a wide-man, is Rooney a frontman, is Berba a target man - they are mobile forward players that do all those things. Why would Fergie change that philosphy after all our recent success!
Without sounding condescending - United have been playing a system where we have forward players that can play anywhere across the last third.
These lads wont just be told to sit wide-right or wide-left, they'll be all over the last third. We're not as predictable as that now!
Was Ronnie a wide-man, is Rooney a frontman, is Berba a target man - they are mobile forward players that do all those things. Why would Fergie change that philosphy after all our recent success!
Watching a player in a 90 minute game allows you to assess their impact over a semi-reasonable period of time. Youtube videos consist of a compilation of the best things (and only the best) that they have done, often over a period of many months, and if that is pretty much all that they've done, no matter how spectacular, it would never warrant them a place in the first team of one of the biggest sides in Europe. Plenty of fairly average players are made to look like world beaters in compilations.
I'd argue that very few, if any, football fans are knowledgeable and experienced enough to fully assess a young players potential. There are obvious pointers, such as the basic technical foundation, but the hard part is being able to extrapolate that to a point in the future, using knowledge of player rates of development (which will be different, depending on a number of factors), etc. Also, there are so many variables that we just don't know about, such as a players mental attributes.
I've also argued that to truly assess a player at any stage of their career, you would need to watch them in consecutive games over a period of a few months, and most importantly, paying close attention to the player in question, as opposed to the two teams or the match, itself.
That's why I tend not to take that much notice of what football fans say about footballers. Most haven't given it a single moments thought before they start typing.
I should just add that I am just as guilty as anyone else of attempting sound knowledgeable, while not always remembering my own advice.
I agree that its ideal to regularly view a player in a match situation - if you have access to various International Football leagues that is, you'd see the full show & get a better idea of their game.
But also, whats the difference in watching a few clips on you-tube & watching a few clips on Champions League magazine, Football Focus or Global Football? Its the same thing. In fact, you'd probably see more on you-tube!
You wont get the finished article with a lad of 18 years old, so of course he's gonna have less champagne moments in a game, but the things you look for in a forward player can be viewed quite well in snipits of games!
Its not as if Fergie's after this dude because he's been on the caf & someone posted some vids i.e. me
Our scouting network has been looking at him for some time aswell as the rest of Europe - particularly Real. So, if we can get him - i hope the feck we do
Your own Black Michael Jackson???
I have yet to see an average player dribble the shit out of the ball in a similar style to Messi!
Anyway, as Escobar said at Post#9:
"Our chances to get young Brazil players are higher than 4 years ago"
True, but that wasn't what I meant. If that is all that he has done in a whole season, no matter how impressive it might be, it's not good enough for a club like United. We require players to be involved in every game, and in almost every minute of every game. A player that produces a piece of magic every 10 matches is not going to remain at a top club for any length of time.
Mohamed Zidan is 28 years of age and currently plays for Borussia Dortmund. An excellent team, no doubt, but with the skills that are on display in this video, why isn't he at one of the biggest clubs in the world, and why isn't he considered as one of the best players?
There has to be a reason, and you won't find it in this video. That's all I'm saying.
He's 10 years older than Costa & yer man is not at United.
Young players that come to United dont turn into superstars overnight. United see the potential & they develop it - just like Ronnie. That lad Zidan looks like a decent footballer & has his great moments like every footballer - the trick is to do it more consistently!
United mould good players into great players by creating consistency within that player. United's scouting system will make the necessary decisions - either to recommend a purchase at all costs, a reduced cost or not to persue any further. I trust United to make the correct decisions as regard to players in or out!
Hope Fergie seen this vid tho - its class:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynjIoymWHvU Yeah yeah yeah
Many United fans didnt rate Fletch & O'Shea either - so whats yer point oh mighty one?
Would you be lobbying for the signings of Darren Fletcher and John O'Shea if you were the supporter of a different top club like, Inter for example?
Doubt it.
Fletch & John O'Shea are not 18 & neither play like yer lad Costa - your point is rendered useless i'm afraid!
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