Like I already said, I watched tons of his Southampton games, couldn't care less if you believe me or not, I know how good he was/is, but I guess I am wrong because I don't look at numbers. No worries.
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Like I already said, I watched tons of his Southampton games, couldn't care less if you believe me or not, I know how good he was/is, but I guess I am wrong because I don't look at numbers. No worries.
He has 30 assists for Southampton as well.
I saw him too occasionally and sure he was one of their "better players" but the attitude I was sensing from the posts was that he was a big fish in a small pond ala Grealish at Villa and was clearly better than everyone else when I don't think so. They were a good little team. plenty of their players moved onto big/bigger teams.
that's pretty good!
I'm comparing him with Mctominay because I think he would be better than Mctominay at 6. He's a better presser and tackler than him and he's better on the ball too. He just needs a chance
I'm cherry picking/highlighting those stats because I feel they're important. I always thought he was a good tackler and the stats back me up. Coming on here you would think he tackled like Di Canio.
Straining to do some explaining methinks. The lad can tackle
Sell him... useless
He only wins 1.89 tackles a game, despite making over 3, according to those stats. Of people that dribble at him, he only tackles them successfully 36% of the time. Of all the times he pressures players during a game he's only successful 28.5% of times.
You see what I mean...you can tell any story you want using stats.
Yep he's 79% at tackles won which means he wins more tackles than 78% of midfielders. All bar 1 of those stats you mentioned by the way are better than Mctominay. Stats do tell a story
I'm trying to work out what you're arguing here. Because I don't rate Mctominay either, at all. Do you seriously think dvb can work as a DM for us?
Even so, Mctominay makes more blocks, more interceptions and more clearances.
Fred is a class player as well and a Brazil international. DvdB was great in the Champion‘s League vs top opposition.
I see a disconnect between the overly negative opinions in the players forum and the actual qualities of players.
Probably because you can‘t understand what types of players they are and therefore have skewed expectations.
Donny is quality but low on confidence. A good couple of games could work wonders.
He is at his best in and around the box. You guys don’t have a clue.
Donny was not getting service, he is a center forward. When Bailly drove forward before the goal, Donny made a run to the side to give a passion option. Bailly dove into the hole.
So he was not passive.
I see a disconnect between the overly negative opinions in the players forum and the actual qualities of players.
Probably because you can‘t understand what types of players they are and therefore have skewed expectations.
Donny is quality but low on confidence. A good couple of games could work wonders.
He is at his best in and around the box. You guys don’t have a clue.
Donny was not getting service, he is a center forward. When Bailly drove forward before the goal, Donny made a run to the side to give a passion option. Bailly dove into the hole.
So he was not passive.
I don't think this is news to many people here, is it? It's all just being obscured by bizarre comparisons to Mctominay
Any player with constant debate over his best role and talk around the things they need to be able to perform are probably not worth it. We have already done this with Pogba and whatever you think of him it would be hard to argue that he is not vastly more talented than Donny.
Give Donny the ideal system, style of play and teammates and he is what, maybe 8th to 12th best player at Utd. He needs to adapt and play like a man with a point to prove . Only time he has done that is Watford away.
Give Donny the ideal system, style of play and teammates and he is what, maybe 8th to 12th best player at Utd. He needs to adapt and play like a man with a point to prove . Only time he has done that is Watford away.
The DVB thread gets more and more funny
I think the defensive aspect of his game goes under appreciated.
I think the fact we have played players like Mctominay and not Donny these last few years have been the main problem with the team.
Donny isn't a natural 6 but he's a hard working player with great technique. I think he'll be very good for us this year.
If Mctominay plays more games than him then I'll know why we're not doing well.
He’s a support striker, playing him anywhere else would be like buying a pair of scissors to cut your meat. Sure, it’ll do the job but you’d rather use a knife for it.
Where's this 'great technique'?! All he does is receive the ball and immediately pop it off to the closest player. He doesn't dribble well, doesn't make things happen. Doesn't really do anything other than play safe and get rid of the ball asap. There is a reason that all coaches at United that have had him as an option haven't used him: because he isn't good enough. It really is that simple.
Well I guess I'll have to get out the old stat book yet again.
He is 99% for miscontrols.
He miscontrols a pass once every 4 matches, which given the amount of games he plays means a Donny miscontrol is about as frequent as a lunar eclipse.
How about that for technical wizardry?
That and the tackling. Give that man a number 8 jersey
Scissors are handier for trimming rind off bacon
He was crap against Pool but you can't make too many judgements from a pre-season friendly. Ten Hag will have his uses for him this season I'm sure.
Dvb is not suited to the premier league… just like Pogba. It’s way too dynamic. United’s coaches concluded he wasn’t either fast or strong enough for the premier league central midfield . ETH could find him a role behind Bruno though. I’m sure if the club received a half decent offer they’d sell. Nobody is trying to buy him either which tells it’s own tale.
He doesn’t miscontrol because he doesn’t try anything. I’d be 99% for miscontrols too if all I did was pass it back first touch to whoever passed me the ball.
To have good technique, he’d have to receive the ball in tight areas, beat a man and make a positive play regularly - something he just doesn’t do often enough. Not miscontrolling is not enough.
McTominay for all his faults can receive the ball by physically holding off his marker and either win a foul or carry the ball up the field. At that point his passing technique and decision making is suspect, but Donny can’t really ever do that first bit. Donny is good at finding pockets of space around the box, making quick one touch passes, and finishing. I’d love for him to become this great 8 you seem to think he is and would love to be proven wrong, but I just don’t see it.
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Maybe I really just don't understand football but I don't see what he does at all...
He’s just a whole lot of nothing. I bet his favourite colour is beige.
What even is he ?
Nothing there.
Not really sure where he’s going to get game time if Eriksen comes in. Plus we have a fair number of youth midfielders who need some game time.
I’m hoping we’re playing him with a view to putting him in the shop window, I can’t see us getting much for him, but for his sake he needs a new team.
I’m hoping we’re playing him with a view to putting him in the shop window, I can’t see us getting much for him, but for his sake he needs a new team.
The Ghost of Manchester - living off mythic tales.
Alarming
Should be loaned out to a shit league to bump his value, then sell.
Bruno and Eriksen are 5 classes above him. Fred and dare I say it, McT are better b2b. Our kids have more talent and technical ability than this guy. Give them the cups and the fringe squad places.
Bruno and Eriksen are 5 classes above him. Fred and dare I say it, McT are better b2b. Our kids have more talent and technical ability than this guy. Give them the cups and the fringe squad places.
Should not be loaned, should ideally be sold especially if we bring in both eriksen and de jong. He just is not that good of a player, which is okay, not every player is destined to make it at united.
Hard to see us needing him this season bar an injury crisis.
He looked very sluggish. Not particularly agile and slow across the first 10 yards.
I expected better from him under ETH, but it's only 2 games. Can't be selling him when our midfield is so weak anyway.
Just not doing enough. Needs to work a higher pace.
They say he's good though, the problem is the system.
Expected nothing got nothing. Sell him before his value drops even further.
Were are the DVB apologists.
He might serve us well in the Europa League but I don't think he's gonna make it.
If he's not trying to force a move now, we should look at a loan with a view to sign deal from January.
He's shown himself to be good in the champions league and I'm sure he'd do alright in Italy, Germany or Spain.
If he's not trying to force a move now, we should look at a loan with a view to sign deal from January.
He's shown himself to be good in the champions league and I'm sure he'd do alright in Italy, Germany or Spain.
Ole's signings, bar Bruno, have been shocking and he also got a massive severance pay to top it off.
He never takes the ball on the half turn and doesn’t seem to have much awareness of what’s around him when he receives a pass. Which is not great from someone who is supposed to play high up the pitch.
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