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Andersonson said:
He is also hopeless as a CM. His positioning is maybe the worst in the league. He is already behind Scott and Fred. And we're looking at an upgrade on them, meaning Donny will be 4/5th choice. Maybe in Bruno's position he can do something, but if Eriksen is coming he will be 3rd choice there.

If Donny was better than Scott, he would play. How difficult is it?
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Stats last season against midfielders in the top 5 leagues

Tackles 90%
Ball recoveries 89%

Not really the stats of the "worst positional midfielder in the league"

Non penalty expected goals and assists
91%

Again not really the stat for somebody who doesn't know where to be on the pitch.

Imagine his stats if he got a chance

Would you believe Scotty doesn't have stats like this.
 
Olecurls99 said:
Stats last season against midfielders in the top 5 leagues

Tackles 90%
Ball recoveries 89%

Not really the stats of the "worst positional midfielder in the league"

Non penalty expected goals and assists
91%

Again not really the stat for somebody who doesn't know where to be on the pitch.

Imagine his stats if he got a chance

Would you believe Scotty doesn't have stats like this.
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Why is he being compared to Mctominay who is often the deepest midfielder while Dvb is often the most advanced.
Dvb is like Lingard but without the long rangers, running power, and ball carrying skills.
He's a poacher 10, trying to get tap ins when the opponent are distracted by the other forwards who are more active.
That kind of skill set have very little use, the team would need to be super dominant for him to get mins, like last 10 mins throw everything forward type dominant in a league like the EPL.
Only Muller plays this way among offensive players at top clubs and he is more physical and shows leadership aside from being Bayern golden boy.
Were as Dvb has little personality to go with his limited skill set.
 
Trex said:
Why is he being compared to Mctominay who is often the deepest midfielder while Dvb is often the most advanced.
Dvb is like Lingard but without the long rangers, running power, and ball carrying skills.
He's a poacher 10, trying to get tap ins when the opponent are distracted by the other forwards who are more active.
That kind of skill set have very little use, the team would need to be super dominant for him to get mins, like last 10 mins throw everything forward type dominant in a league like the EPL.
Only Muller plays this way among offensive players at top clubs and he is more physical and shows leadership aside from being Bayern golden boy.
Were as Dvb has little personality to go with his limited skill set.
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Any explanation for all the tackles and ball recoveries? They would strike me as the type of things a DM should do although you wouldn't know it when you watch Mctominay
 
Olecurls99 said:
Any explanation for all the tackles and ball recoveries? They would strike me as the type of things a DM should do although you wouldn't know it when you watch Mctominay
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I can't take anyone seriously that defends dvb, I'll avoid this thread till probably November, if he is still on the bench I'll come back for the next excuse maybe it will ETH has no clue.
 
Andersonson said:
Are you Donny by any chance? Just getting silly now
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Trex said:
I can't take anyone seriously that defends dvb, I'll avoid this thread till probably November, if he is still on the bench I'll come back for the next excuse maybe it will ETH has no clue.
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:lol: Is there something else going on because going on by the stats posted (if they're legit!), there is a real discussion there
 
kouroux said:
:lol: Is there something else going on because going on by the stats posted (if they're legit!), there is a real discussion there
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I don't know how to link things because I'm a technoidiot, but the stats can be found on Fbref.com
 
Olecurls99 said:
Stats last season against midfielders in the top 5 leagues

Tackles 90%
Ball recoveries 89%

Not really the stats of the "worst positional midfielder in the league"

Non penalty expected goals and assists
91%

Again not really the stat for somebody who doesn't know where to be on the pitch.

Imagine his stats if he got a chance

Would you believe Scotty doesn't have stats like this.
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It's based on 700 odd minutes played.

https://fbref.com/en/players/50dc94ce/Donny-van-de-Beek

He has 0.2 xg per game and 3.19 tackles per game. Look at the players he's compared to there and it tells you everything. He's lightweight and can only pass sideways. He's a horrible waste of money.
 
Olecurls99 said:
Yeah factual evidence to back up your argument is silly. Carry on Andersonson
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Random cherry picked states from 5 partial games isn’t factual evidence.
Actual real evidence is the fact that two United managers haven’t deemed him good enough to start now. If ETH also doesn’t, no amount of stats can make up for that fact.

I like the guy and I feel he can add value to a fluid side, but I still struggle to see what he brings that Lingard circa 2018 didn’t apart from being a worse dribbler and shooter. And bearing in mind how much abuse Lingard got for being a local lad and not doing much I’m baffled by the sheer apologists he has in our fan base.
 
Pickle85 said:
It's based on 700 odd minutes played.

https://fbref.com/en/players/50dc94ce/Donny-van-de-Beek

He has 0.2 xg per game and 3.19 tackles per game. Look at the players he's compared to there and it tells you everything. He's lightweight and can only pass sideways. He's a horrible waste of money.
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He's being compared to every midfielder in the top 5 leagues and by having 3.19 tackles per game, it means he better than 90% of them at that stat.
 
Olecurls99 said:
He's being compared to every midfielder in the top 5 leagues and by having 3.19 tackles per game, it means he better than 90% of them at that stat.
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Come on, those stats are next to useless, surely you can see that?! They tell the story of about 8 games worth of minutes, spread over many more appearances. If he comes on at 75 minutes against a side that's already beaten when everyone else is knackered and makes three tackles, is that anything special? Context is everything. Look at the players those stats compare him to. Anyone that's actually watched him play for united can tell he's shown absolutely nothing this far beyond running around a bit and passing sideways. I'm amazed you seem so intent on defending him.
 
Trex said:
In what role, he's never getting ahead of the likes of Fernandes, Eriksen and even Fred. What does he actually do?
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What Donny van de Beek can do and did for Ajax, is to recycle brilliantly with a possession strong pivot, interchange hyperactively with a false nine, combine like lightning on small spaces with players well drilled in movement patterns and with similar skills. Those were his three greatest forces at Ajax. These are very useful skills for a team of such players wanting to break down established defences by overloading quickly. For anyone else (Solskjær, Rangnik, Lampard, Koeman, De Boer - possibly even Van Gaal) he’s ok to fairly good at best, completely ineffective at worst.
 
Grande said:
What Donny van de Beek can do and did for Ajax, is to recycle brilliantly with a possession strong pivot, interchange hyperactively with a false nine, combine like lightning on small spaces with players well drilled in movement patterns and with similar skills. Those were his three greatest forces at Ajax. These are very useful skills for a team of such players wanting to break down established defences by overloading quickly. For anyone else (Solskjær, Rangnik, Lampard, Koeman, De Boer - possibly even Van Gaal) he’s ok to fairly good at best, completely ineffective at worst.
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He's bang average, give it a rest.
 
A lot of people crafting up elaborate excuses for why vdb is pretty much always invisibie etc. The reality is he is a supporting striker with a decent/good finish on him. He's not and hasn't shown in his career to be a creative force, he also clearly has not got the passing range or physicality to play deeper in midfield. He is a player who hangs off the striker and makes smart runs into the box at the right time. Nothing more, nothing less. I think because he is from ajax people assume his touch, passing and movement will naturally be better than it is, but apart from his attacking movement every facet of his game is average. I said this in his first season that he is Jesse Lingard mk2 but without Jesse's little burst of speed and tbh Jesse is a better overall player than him. So if Jesse is not good enough for united (Which I agree he isnt) then vdb is no where near the level of what we need.
 
Grande said:
What Donny van de Beek can do and did for Ajax, is to recycle brilliantly with a possession strong pivot, interchange hyperactively with a false nine, combine like lightning on small spaces with players well drilled in movement patterns and with similar skills. Those were his three greatest forces at Ajax. These are very useful skills for a team of such players wanting to break down established defences by overloading quickly. For anyone else (Solskjær, Rangnik, Lampard, Koeman, De Boer - possibly even Van Gaal) he’s ok to fairly good at best, completely ineffective at worst.
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I've found that when you need to add superlative adjectives like the bolded, it usually means defensive hyperbole.

I really hope Donny finds back his groove but I've confidence in him making it at United.
 
I’m in the #freedonny fan club. But watching him is painful, he’s all about 1 touch football he literally just gives it to someone else as fast as he can.
it didn’t work for us last year as we were a slow build up team. Under ten Haag that may change we may be faster paced. I’d say he’s in the last chance saloon - he either shows us something this year or he gets sold next summer/loan in Jan.
 
kouroux said:
:lol: Is there something else going on because going on by the stats posted (if they're legit!), there is a real discussion there
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If you base a player on just two stats sure, but saying he is a DM contender is wrong, and comparing him to Scott is also weird, since ETH has said Donny is best playing at no.10 and will do so mostly. ETH said so in the presser
 
Trex said:
He's bang average, give it a rest.
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What kind of reply is that? You asked a question, I took it to be a sincere question, so gave a sincere answer. You asked what Donny can do, and I answered as to what his strenths and capabilities are, and what kind of environment these strengths come to the fore. Nowhere did I say anything about wether he is generally above or below any average (of what?).

If your question was merely rethorical, there’s still no need to slag off a sincere answer as if I’d been pestering you or something, which I can’t see I have.
 
RonaldoVII said:


Be competing with Eriksen there too won't they? Doesn't bode well for Donny.
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Bruno roams a lot rather than penetrating the box. If that description is so loosely applied it might as well fit every attacking midfielder.
 
Grande said:
What kind of reply is that? You asked a question, I took it to be a sincere question, so gave a sincere answer. You asked what Donny can do, and I answered as to what his strenths and capabilities are, and what kind of environment these strengths come to the fore. Nowhere did I say anything about wether he is generally above or below any average (of what?).

If your question was merely rethorical, there’s still no need to slag off a sincere answer as if I’d been pestering you or something, which I can’t see I have.
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OK sorry about the response but that question was asked a while back and has been discussed extensively by the time you responded.
 
georgipep said:
I've found that when you need to add superlative adjectives like the bolded, it usually means defensive hyperbole.

I really hope Donny finds back his groove but I've confidence in him making it at United.
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Could be generally true, but why generalize? I don’t think you’ll find me having any reason or tendency to defend Van de Beek in general. Wether ‘brilliant’ is hyperbole or not when it comes to his ability to help a possession-strong midfield two recycle the ball is a matter of judgement and taste for language. As far as I’m aware, Van de Beek has really only played in such a midfield at Ajax, not even the Dutch NT has played that way when he has been played there, so I base my judgement on that alone, and in my opinion, it was one of the things he excelled at in that team, and that made United overestimate his other abilities.
 
Can’t see how he, Bruno and Eriksen exist in the same squad. He should be sold this summer.
 
Rozay said:
Can’t see how he, Bruno and Eriksen exist in the same squad. He should be sold this summer.
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Bruno will go to the wing soon enough. Ten Hag will dislike his risky passes on that position, same like Ziyech at Ajax. Started at 10 and ended up as a playmaker on the right side with the freedom to do whatever he wants
 
Grande said:
Could be generally true, but why generalize? I don’t think you’ll find me having any reason or tendency to defend Van de Beek in general. Wether ‘brilliant’ is hyperbole or not when it comes to his ability to help a possession-strong midfield two recycle the ball is a matter of judgement and taste for language. As far as I’m aware, Van de Beek has really only played in such a midfield at Ajax, not even the Dutch NT has played that way when he has been played there, so I base my judgement on that alone, and in my opinion, it was one of the things he excelled at in that team, and that made United overestimate his other abilities.
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I think Donny is a limited footballer, at least his time in England has convinced me so. I don't know how good he was at Ajax, have only watched him on a couple of occasions but I tend to downplay brilliance in other leagues, even if it is the Spanish/German/Italian/French league due to the massive difference with the Premier League, as well as the enormous expectations and pressure put on any United player.

I hope he makes it but I doubt it.
 
NLunited said:
omg harsh. You expect him to do well playing with a bunch of youngsters who continuously give away the ball? I think he got the ball like four times.
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That is another concerning issue. As a senior he should have been more involved given that his team was pinned down in its own half. If a CB can take initiative and set up a goal then AM should at least try instead of meandering.
 
Terranova said:
Bruno will go to the wing soon enough. Ten Hag will dislike his risky passes on that position, same like Ziyech at Ajax. Started at 10 and ended up as a playmaker on the right side with the freedom to do whatever he wants
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I don't think so. I feel his profile is far more similar to that of a Berghuis at 10. Plus Ten Hag has a big thing about "diepgang" in his team, and with Sancho and Bruno on the wings you wouldn't have that unless you had a Lukaku/Haaland type striker up front (Brobbey:lol:), which United don't have.

The only way he plays Bruno on the wing is if Rashford is played on the other side
 
If we could get around 20 million pounds on him, we should sell him as fast as we can. Not United quality.
 
Terranova said:
It worked out really well for Ziyech in Ten Hags system, so why not Bruno
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This pretty much...

Rozay said:
Because they are different people?
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They are completely different in their abilities. Even Tadic is different to Bruno.

I think, unless you have a good technical CF, a false 9 position is better suited to a winger rather than a CM/AM whose best attributes are his passing, particularly from range. The only way it works is if Bruno drops and the LW & RW dovetail to play ahead, almost like CFs. I don't think it particularly suits us at he moment with the players we have.
 
We also have better wide options than Ajax had at the time they moved Ziyech there.
 
evil_geko said:
Yeah, I constantly see on here how Tadić was bad at Southampton, err no, he was their best player. One more thing that proves lots of Caf has gold fish memory.
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Trex said:
Tadic wasn't bad at Southampton, but one wouldn't expect the level he showed in the UCL, it was like Mane Southampton- Liverpool rise.
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evil_geko said:
Yep, he went next level at Ajax but he was still great at Saints.
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Mcking said:
He scored 38 goals in a season at Ajax. He was nothing special at Southampton.
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went from season totals of 5,8,3,7 in England to 38 when he moved.
never once won player of the year at Saints or any individual awards. Mane and Pelle were better. Even Romeo beat him to end of season awards. To say he was their best player is a myth. What seasons was he their best player?
 
Stacks said:
went from season totals of 5,8,3,7 in England to 38 when he moved.
never once won player of the year at Saints or any individual awards. Mane and Pelle were better. Even Romeo beat him to end of season awards. To say he was their best player is a myth. What seasons was he their best player?
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I am not a stat Andy, I was actually watching him play instead.
 
Stacks said:
went from season totals of 5,8,3,7 in England to 38 when he moved.
never once won player of the year at Saints or any individual awards. Mane and Pelle were better. Even Romeo beat him to end of season awards. To say he was their best player is a myth. What seasons was he their best player?
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Don't quote me when you can't read right.
 
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