Havertz was a confusing signing for Arsenal, and he is just as bad as he was before they signed him.
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Fair play for still flying the Havertz flag, not many are nowadays.
See my posts about him for Germany
I just think it's ridiculous that people see this Arsenal team and think he is the reason they can't win the title or aren't playing well. There's much more wrong.
Getting another striker won't solve the underlying issue, which is a massive gap in creativity and chance creation.
They certainly can’t win a title with a terrible “striker” like Havertz.See my posts about him for Germany
I just think it's ridiculous that people see this Arsenal team and think he is the reason they can't win the title or aren't playing well. There's much more wrong.
Getting another striker won't solve the underlying issue, which is a massive gap in creativity and chance creation.
I think he's a good player but he lacks the extra edge that top strikers have and the extra guile that top midfielders do. He's a jack of all trades and master of none type player which is useful if they're not a player you depend on, which Arsenal are having to do with him a tad currently.See my posts about him for Germany
I just think it's ridiculous that people see this Arsenal team and think he is the reason they can't win the title or aren't playing well. There's much more wrong.
Getting another striker won't solve the underlying issue, which is a massive gap in creativity and chance creation.
Hilarious game by him. Missed a lot of decent chances, shameful dive for the penalty and missed the pen in the shoot out.
Don't think he's a terrible striker. He's an average finisher who brings more from other aspects into play like holding the ball, playing in others and pressing from the front.
Firmino was a similar striker but was playing alongside goal scoring wingers who it worked well overall. He was technically better than Havertz but their roles, and importantly goal scoring, was similar.
Havertz is nowhere near the level Firmino was. Not even close.
What possesses people to say awful shit like this? Jesus Christ.
With both as strikers in all comps (since both have played in different positions during their time at Liverpool and Arsenal):
Firmino: 154 g+a in 18k minutes (120 min/g+a)
Havertz: 26 g+a in 3k minutes (130 min/g+a)
One is obviously a much larger sample size so there is more credibility with Firmino's numbers than Havertz, but it's to point out that Havertz has not been playing terribly as a striker unlike what people would want to say.
In terms of finishing, Firmino was pretty much on par with his xG in the Prem during his time at Pool, having seasons of great finishing but also seasons with poor finishing. Havertz till now is still performing on par with his xG for Arsenal (for Chelsea it was much worse while for Leverkusen it was better).
The point regarding Firmino was that he also was not a great goalscorer, but that wasn't an issue for Pool because they had two elite scorers in Mane and Salah next to him and they were fantastic at creating chances for them. Firmino's main role was as a facilitator and a first line of pressing in the offensive third, but never as a primary goalscorer. Havertz does similar things for Arsenal on the defensive side, pressing well and also holding the ball.
The issue are the tactics Arsenal are playing with and how it fits with Havertz. They want a striker to help out defensively and be someone to hold the ball, which Havertz does well, but then for that type of system you need elite goalscorers around him. Saka was scoring at a great rate for a winger the last two seasons but has dropped off this season, another issue is also just a lack of creativity and chace creation.
Can they not take this to the police as threatened with physical harm. Would serve the morons right.
Obviously it’s horrible what his wife has received.
Has there been any sort of news that Havertz could get punished for the neck grab on Ugarte? Got into a debate with my Arsenal supporting friend who’s on his high horse that “the context of the situation means he shouldn’t get a ban”.
Please say there will be something? I can’t find any good article bringing it up.
Has there been any sort of news that Havertz could get punished for the neck grab on Ugarte? Got into a debate with my Arsenal supporting friend who’s on his high horse that “the context of the situation means he shouldn’t get a ban”.
Please say there will be something? I can’t find any good article bringing it up.
I don't think it's in our interest that this incident gets closely reviewed
If they look into it they'll both be banned. Better if it's left alone.
Exactly, and we don't profit one bit from a retrospective Havertz ban
We might!
Dont think anything happened with the Wolves player grabbing Havertz by the throat earlier in the season either, think that one was a bit more 'off the cuff' mind you and done so when he was falling and Havertz was on the ground.
Unlucky dickhead.
Handballs it in and celebrates like he won the CL. Even has the cheek to protest and pretend it hit his chest/stomach. Guy is an utter joke
Yeah that was bit embarrassing. Not surprised after seeing him dive against us like that last week.
Ha! Get fecked you utter pelican.
17 year old from St Alban's was arrested regarding messages to his partner.
Good.
Rodri grabs a throat - Sent Off
Cas grabs a throat - Sent Off
Felipe grabs Bruno by the throat - Not Sent Off
Garnacho gets grabbed by the throat - Not Sent Off
Mosquera grabbed Havertz by the throat - Not Sent Off
Officials don't know whether to send you off or keep you on. The incosistent enforcing of the rule of law at this level boils my piss.
That’s good.
This thread was bouncing with giddy Arsenal fans not long ago telling us how great he was. Maybe they’ve finally realised he is and always was dog shit.
He's become the lightning rod, through no particular fault of his own, apart from not being the no.9 we desperately need. He does what he is equipped to do, and decently well at that. Expecting anything beyond that is what is causing this yo-yo'ing hyperbole around him.
There's no excuse for his finishing though. The amount of big chances squandered is insane.
He's a weird one. Clutch and a bottler at the same time somehow
That was amusing.
His obvious "ready-to-go PL proven win now" 60M replacement has one more goal in the league and 5 less in all comps. He will get help in the summer, no need to worry.
It's also a question of level. Firmino did what he did (which goes well beyond g+a) to a much higher level than havertz.
I don't think it's established that havertz is good enough in that role to justify a long-term place even if he were surrounded by goalscoring wingers.
Is, was and never will be a striker. The second he was bought to play that role, even as a wannabe Firmino, I knew Arteta was bonkers.
Expectations because you've put a square peg in a finishers hole.
To be honest, any attacking player would be expected to finish those chances.
What is his best position in your opinion?
The massive excuse for his finishing is the painfully obvious fact, and a fact everyone with sense has known for years, the fella isn't a striker. This desperation from Arteta himself and Arsenal fans to paint the manager out to be some genius, when he's been playing this bloke out of position and killing his own team is hilarious.
I'd rather he wasn't there and we had an upgrade tbh. So, the bench.
Where do you fit him in then? Because he sure as hell can't be an effective midfielder. Almost every single one of his best games in 5 seasons in England have been up front. He's an inconsistent finisher, that's 100% obvious but he's still got 15 goals in 34 games. He's averaging roughly 1 in 2 in every comp Arsenal have played in this season. It's shaping up to be by far the most productive season of his entire career.
So yes, he's had a couple of high profile misses in a couple of big games recently, but most teams would be happy with that kind of production from their striker. They can and probably should look for a better striker in the summer, but the biggest problem with Arsenal's attack isn't Havertz imo. He's the least of their problems. It's their wide forwards Trossard and Martinelli, and surprisingly, Odegaard has been very very bad since his return from injury, bar a game or two initially.
Not sure getting help will change the fact he’s trash.
Think he's been doing okay. Not very far off from last seasons form which saw us miss the title by 2 points. The team as a whole hasn't been doing well though, with Odegaard, Martinelli, Trossard the bigger culprits. But its easy to shit on Havertz as he's the ex Chelsea man, and if you have a go at him, you can also take down Arteta who was the one to bring him in and persist with him. So easy target for fans and rivals alike.