That still isn't good enough for Arsenal though, At Arsenal he has scored around the same amount at Chelsea 7-8 PL goals and that wasn't good enough for us.
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That still isn't good enough for Arsenal though, At Arsenal he has scored around the same amount at Chelsea 7-8 PL goals and that wasn't good enough for us.
Cheslea sold him to Arsenal for good money already, and it is now Arteta's problem. No worry.
So im not allowed to have an opinion anymore?
Everyone understands Havertz was not good enough for Chelsea and that's why he is sold. Whether he is good enough for Arsenal that is for Arteta to decide and that is his problem. When Arteta bought him he probably fully aware Havertz's stats in Chelsea. This is a forum and of course you can voice your opinion and keep bashing Havertz. That is absolutely fine. If you can be more specific on why he is not good enough for Arteta other than not score enough goals (Jesus only has 11 EPL goals last season) that would be great.
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Zero response in any of the Sancho threads since his Dortmund return.
It's only one third of the way through the season though. He's on pace to score 11 to 12 I guess. Not a prolific record but it's still a pretty decent tally for a midfielder/false nine. And he took penalties for chelsea which he's only done once for arsenal. All in all, he's undeniably been more productive under Arteta.
He took some penalties, but he wasn’t ever the penalty taker. That was always Jorginho. And yet still, Havertz will most likely have his most productive season in England this season.
I probably have to disagree - Havertz is one of our 5 players who have at least 10 goal contributions in PL this season. He has 7 goals and 3 assists. I read somewhere that we're the only club in the PL to have 5 players in double digits for goal contributions (Saka, Odgeaard, Havertz, Martinelli, Rice). If we assume Havertz was brought in to replace Xhaka, Xhaka had 15 goal contributions last season (7 goals, 8 assists). Considering Havertz has spent a big chunk the of the season playing in midfield, that's a pretty good return and could very well match Xhaka's numbers, especially as he's playing up front right now. All in all, I'd say Arteta would be happy enough with Havertz's season so far, despite taking some time to settle into the team.
Chalk this down to another one the caf got wrong
Everyone, including Arsenal fans got it wrong. Still a bit too much money but since he's found his rythm, he's been very useful upfront.
Still a donkey for me. The Gooner's Nunez.
On a yellow. Dives.
No second yellow.
Scores the winner.
Another good day for the referees.
No second yellow.
Scores the winner.
Another good day for the referees.
4 goals + 2 assists in his last 4 games. His all round games has been good for a while, but he added end product recently. I’m hoping he keeps it up.
Should have been sent off really. Pathetic by the ref. Great goal though. His threat in the air is an underrated part of his game.
I for one had written this lad off, still a player in there it looks like.
Should have walked but Brentford players could have had half a dozen yellows for feigning injury, blocking free kicks and gk punts, waiving imaginary cards over and over ever. Not exactly any leg to stand on for Brentford. Funny how that stopped when they went behind. Ref should have given a clear penalty for the Trossard pull back just before that. Poorly reffed game overall.
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How? how is he any different to the Havertz we saw at Chelsea?
The only consistent attribute he has.
Yes even a flop like Havertz can deliver. If only we can trust our players like Mount or Antony, then they would surely perform and win games eventually. We all know that they are above average as compared to a normal top division player.
The GOAT strikes again. 
I don't know why Arteta first planned to play him in midfield when he's clearly best upfront. He is a beast and headache for defenders, brilliant off the ball. On the ball, his touch and passing has improved quite a bit, perhaps he's just settled into the team now and has that understanding with his teammates. He does seem to be a clutch player.
Worth every penny
Think you're being a bit disingenuous simply saying he's scored 7-8 goals which is the same as at Chelsea.
He's come into Arsenal super low on confidence because of his Chelsea stint. He's had to adapt to a new system and a new role in a team where all the fans basically hated him from the get go. If he was gonna make some kind of turn around then it would be expected he'd need some time, so I don't think it's fair to compare his early season adapting form with what he's producing now that he's more adapted to Arsenal. He's been very good since the turn of the year, and though he's not perfect by any means, if he can keep his current level and improve further then that transfer fee may end up looking like small change and another one that got away from Chelsea.
He is popping up in a lot of good spaces. I am not going to pretend his finishing is good because he missed a great chance to knock in that second goal much earlier on and even his header could have been saved. But unlike at the start of the season he is way less peripheral. He belongs upfront and can cover a midfielder if they have committed themselves.
If he could get more ruthless, we would be in excellent shape upfront.
Trossard had a poor game today. Didn't help things.
If he could get more ruthless, we would be in excellent shape upfront.
Trossard had a poor game today. Didn't help things.
Yeh it’s a weird one where I could argue it was still a bad signing on Arteta’s part because he wanted to mould him into something he is not - he was never going to be a second 8 above a single pivot. But now that he’s playing him to his strengths he’s come alive. What is funny is he was played as a false 9 a fair amount at Chelsea but it just didnt work at all, but now he’s surrounded by a lot of energy it’s really working well.
Doesn't take a genius to realise he'd do better closer to goal. feck knows what Arteta was thinking with him at the start of the season.
The opposite to Nunez, for me. A lot more refined and tidy, but nowhere near as athletic or intense as Nunez.
Well what is funny is when he scored the winner Jesus was playing as Striker and he was playing behind him.
But I do agree he is a good Striker. Should start ahead of Jesus.
The issue is Arsenal has many strikers like Gabriel Jesus, Nketiah, Nelson, Trossard although none of them makes the positions theirs.
Then Saka, Martinelli and Oedgaard makes their position theirs in RW, LW and AMC.
So Havertz can only take the remaining position since he isn't as clinical as some of the strikers yet not as good as Saka, Martinelli and Oedgaard.
Haha the issue is sometimes Gabriel Jesus play better than him. So Arsenal has too many second rated strikers but don't have one like Haaland or even Alvarez/Hojlund.
I think the way our players interchange and swap positions is really giving us the edge in matches. We have become more unpredictable and Havertz is probably one of our best players off the ball in terms of his movement. Havertz has shown he can interchange quite well with Trossard and Martinelli. Hopefully Arteta can keep improving his finishing, he should have had another goal tonight.
He fits the style and is a very good all round footballer. He has now added goals lately so it's looking for very good for arsenal. Not a bad time to hit form
Artetas experiment with him in the midfield probably cost us the title. Shouldn't take someone so long to understand what a player's best position is.
Without Arteta Arsenal won't be even in the discussion of title race. It always takes time to bed in new player in a new team and tactics.
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He's turning in to another example of how poor our new owners and sporting directors judgement of players has been.
Is he feck, he couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag. He’s got some good attributes, but he’s soft as shite.
I didn't.
I saw something there with Havertz .
You are a wise man. There will be room for you after the purge
To be fair you replaced a CL winning front-line under the age of 25 of Werner - Havertz - Mount to shoehorn Lukaku in long before the new owners. It was one of the most baffling decisions ever. And if Lukaku doesn´t start the bad loss against Madrid in the first leg, there is a decent chance you actually repeat as champions league winners. Chelsea dominated the return leg with their trusted CL-winning line-up against Madrid.
Just the same like it´s absolutely baffling how people cannot see how good Havertz is for Arsenal and that some traditional striker would not nearly have the same positive effect. Next time, just watch how he reads the offside traps with his movement. He rarely gets caught out. Watch his off the ball work offensively and especially defensively. He kills so many opposing attacks with his pressing and tracking back. He direct the press from the front. He´s also one of the fastest players, although he doesn´t look it, due to his body shape.
And while Havertz has missed some great chances, everything is about the perception and narrative the media want to create.
Literally the whole list of leading goalscorer in the EPL is also led by the guys that missed the most chances.
Goals/Missed Chances
Haaland 1/1
Watkins 2/3
Salah 3/9
Solanke 4/8
Bowen 4/9
Son 6/61 (damn son, now that is an effective striker, 61st on missed chances)
Saka 6/9
Isak 8/5
Foden 8/36 (making up for HaHaland misisng so much )
Richarlison 10/18 (Tottenham are pretty clinical)
Hee-Chan 10/25
Palmer 10/61 (penalty Palmer)
Nunez 10/2 (so reputation earned I guess)
Havertz 19/14
Just to complete the list, here are the guys that are in top 10 in misses, but not goals scored.
Jackson 19/4
Calvert Lewin 80/5 (wow)
Hojlund 26/5
Sterling 33/9
Wissa 26/9
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The first yellow he got itself should not have been a yellow. Standard of refs in PL is very poor, don't expect much from them.