His best role is in any team other than one managed by Lampard
Donkai Havertz | Arsenal Watch
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I agree with this. I thought Chelsea were so pragmatic, that doesn't suit his game and won't help his confidence which doesn't look great.
Will you ever okay attacking football again?
I mean, Lampard seems to be obsessed with clean sheets all of a sudden.
We've scored 10 in the 3 prem games before tonight.
There's plenty of things to criticise Lampard about, lack of attacking football is a really strange one.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt with Sevilla and United given our need for clean sheets, but with the games we have coming up if we still have no idea going forward questions need to be asked.
Yeah, strikes me as someone who needs a perfect well drilled system to suit him. Muller in a team like United the last 7 years would've struggled a lot IMO, but Havertz on top of that just isn't very hard working, unlike Muller. Chelsea with Lampard of course isn't a well coached side, so he'll struggle more, but I just don't see it really. The hype he has is insane when its not really backed up by a specific quality.
Very bizarre stuff going around. Chelsea ship goes for fun, people have a go. Go back to a more pragmatic approach, TOO DEFENSIVE!!
His current role is a shadow striker! Similar to Dele Alli maybe too, where people kept calling him a midfielder even though he was shit in midfield.
Disagree on Werner, he's an excellent poacher and will always score goals and was a bargain at that price. Lampard won't get the best out of him, but hes a good signing. Havertz is whatever, strikes no fear into opposition him being on the pitch and doesn't have any quality that you can see him turning into someone who can do that. Not what you want out of a 80-100m player!
Makes you appreciate how much of a steal Bruno was doesn't it
Will take him some time to get used to the new team and new tactics, but once he will he'll be a quality player. Should get 20+ goals+assists a season. He's also improved for Germany, for whom he also had a slow start.
Chelsea have an entirely new offense, won't begin to click immediately.
Chelsea have an entirely new offense, won't begin to click immediately.
Chelsea did not buy Werner for is poaching skills. Ive also never seen a poacher that loves to drift out wide when its team is building an attack in the opposition box. he hardly stays central like a true poacher.
Apples and bowling balls my friend.
You should have played him then
We did? He played the full game. Did you watch it?
I hope your recent exam was not in maths!
Fair weather player. Won’t get stuck in when the chips are down.
Mehhh Bruno was in the 40s, Kai almost double. Certainly know which deal I'd prefer.
Two games in a row with no goals, one team of whom has let in a huge amount of goals.
Not that strange.
I compared him to a German Dele Alli (back when Alli was actually good) and a few cried me out of a thread. The more I see of him the more I see it. He’s not some insightful passer nor is he a flawless dribbler — he is a physically strong no.10 who is surprisingly impressive in the air with decent technical ability to match.
Yeah, that's a fair point.
Would you be happy playing the same way you did today against every big six side?
Do you think it highlights your weakness?
Looks a good comparison to me.
That's what most fans don't get: Even when Müller occasionally has a rather poor game with the ball, you'll always get a world-class working rate and game without the ball (pressing, creating space for others etc.) from him.
Havertz just isn't that kind of player. Nobody will ever mistake him for the hardest worker on the pitch. He's much closer to Özil than Müller in that regard.
2 draws, away to Manchester United and also in the Champions League against a very good Sevilla side (who beat you lot 2 months ago). It's far too early to be even remotely concerned about a lack of goals.
Numbers are very similar too. Up until 21/22, Alli was getting sort of 10+ goals and 5+ assists a few times in the league. Havertz was averaging similar in his final seasons at Leverkusen.
I think your missing what I'm saying here.
The press, fans etc were questioning Lampards tactics and ability to get a clean sheet.
Two games later you have two clean sheets but zero goals, despite the attacking talent you've played.
Knee jerk? Possibly, but to me it highlights Chelsea's weakness, they have to reduce the attacking threat to solidify the defensive unit.
Lampard has to find the middle ground quickly.
Pretty much every side ever has had to reduce their attacking threat to solidify the defensive unit (and vice versa) you make it sound like it's something unique to Lampard at Chelsea.
Has he gone too far into the defensive? 2 games is nowhere near enough of a sample size to make any sort of reasonable judgement.
Has he been deployed as a false 9 yet? Didnt pay attention to Chelsea players much todays game because they weren't in a freedom as usual.
This the position I thought he would be good at.
This the position I thought he would be good at.
Wow,
I'm sorry but when you've spent £100m plus in attacking talent and have it on display, you'd expect a bit more from an attacking point of view, would you not agree?
Are you seriously telling me that had you gone at a defence that conceded 6 at home a few weeks back, you'd wouldn't have scored?
It appears to me right now that Lampard cannot find a middle ground of attacking and defending, it's one or the other.
Apology accepted.
He's a fantastic footballer who has a manager that right now is making brilliant players look very very average
Having seen 100+ matches of Havertz, that's about the worst description of him I've read, IMO.
If we set up like this then no, there's only so much you can expect of any attacking player in such a set up.
If we set up in a way to suit his strengths and he still had a stinker then I'd question him, so for example, had he started in the same fixture last season (which tactically would have been ideal for him).
Thought he was the next ballon d'or winner. Hope he continues to be shite and has a nothing career.
I never felt he was anything special even in the few games I saw of him at Leverkusen. He just seemed to score a bunch of goals post-lockdown and voila...he was suddenly worth €80M. Inexplicable really.
You're pretty specific in your porn preferences.
Let's be honest though, Bruno is a tier above Havertz overall at this moment in time and can hurt the opposition from any part of the pitch with passing or shooting. That's not something to be mad about as Havertz is considerably younger and will grow into his role so the investment you made should be seen as a long term one.
Top early to to conclude but I don't see the supposed elite talent in him. He does look like be could be a good all round player who does everything fairly well. But he doesn't appear to be anyone near the type of talent someone like Sancho is, for example, who I mention only because there have been some comparisons.
He looks more like a system player, when everything falls in place he might be a better/elevate the team.
Going by their Chelsea games, Pulisic showed much higher level than Havertz and Werner.
Apart from two people on here (previous Havertz thread) attempting to force comparisons i haven't seen it anywhere, they play in different positions for a start, if people want to force a Sancho comparison with a Chelsea player the appropriate pick is Ziyech.
I'm not arguing that, more making the point that negative tactics also contributed to his reduced infulence (plus him likely being overplayed a bit). We could have had prime Hazard today while you lot had prime Rooney and both would have been drifting in and out of the match at best.