Donald Trump - GUILTY!

[calodo2003]

They are not comparable because Biden is running as an incumbent in a non-competitive coronation primary. Trump is running as an actual candidate in what was supposed to be a competitive primary, but is no longer one. They are not the same thing. The comparison is further complicated by the fact that Trump is a former president running in his own party's primary, which is unprecedented in the modern era of primaries. So we don't even have other primaries to compare his performance to.



Trump has gotten substantially more actual votes than Biden has. Trump has gotten 1.5 million votes. Biden has gotten less than 1 million votes. That would suggest Trump is performing more strongly than Biden, as you win the election with actual votes... except of course it suggests no such thing because the two primaries are different and cannot be directly compared.

So the base of the right has been triggered to come out to vote, yet they cannot win an election alone. There's understandably not as much enthusiasm for Biden as it is a foregone conclusion that he will be the nominee, but yet he is winning each primary by a significant percentage. Toss in the large percentage of Republicans voting against Trump & the altwrnative viewpoint can also be seen as showing for Biden.

We'll see in the end though!

 

[Simbo]

As someone pointed out in another thread, it's not the Jewish population per se, as much as it is the Christian evangelicals that strongly support Israel's actions in Gaza. And it's not just Arab Americans that are opposed to it, it's also very much younger, left-leaning voters in general. So you can't really just boil it down to number of Jewish voters vs. Arab American voters.

If you think about it purely electorally it becomes quite messy, because it's all about the slim margins in swing states. If Biden was to lose Michigan because of this it could mean the difference between winning and losing the election (all hypothetical of course). On the other hand, could he lose some evangelical support in states like Arizona, Pennsylvania, Nevada or Wisconsin that he won with razor thin margins in 2020, by going tougher on Israel? Who knows. Maybe they are die-hard Trump anyway.

Very messy indeed. I dunno how he finds the balance but I'm sure he's got all the analysis put in front of him.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

If Biden was to purely listen to his potential voters on the Gaza conflict, he'd be doing no different no? Upsetting the Jewish population holds more risk to a sitting president?

The Jewish population is larger than the Arab population, but neither is particularly large and both of them are concentrated in largely uncompetitive states. The relevance of this issue is how it might play in the broader population.

As for 'upsetting the Jewish population', there are a number of moral and practical considerations there. Arab Americans (as well as many other people) are upset because of a months-long bombing campaign that has led to the deaths of over 25,000 women and children, the destruction or damage of half of the buildings in Gaza, and credible accusations of genocide at the International Court of Justice. I would imagine that Jewish Americans would be equally 'upset' if a corresponding level of death and mayhem happened in Israel.

But that is not what anyone was asking of Joe Biden. What people were asking Biden was to not allow tens of thousands of people being killed and Gaza being destroyed, and force Israel to negotiate a ceasefire. This is not, in any moral or practical sense, equal to what Israel is doing in Gaza. Would Jewish American voters, who are substantially more liberal (50%) than Arab Americans (30%), abandon Joe Biden over this?

 

[Mike Smalling]

For a somewhat up-to-date view on what American Jews think about Israel, this Pew poll from 2020 is interesting. U.S. Jews have widely differing views on Israel. Obviously this is before this latest period of violence.

Overall, only 34% strongly oppose the BDS movement, 32% believe the Israeli government is working towards peace, 40% approved of Trump's handling of Israel. But the numbers vary greatly between Orthodox Jews and other groups, so it is very much not a single voter block.

 

[maniak]

And what of those things would stop the genocide from happening? The financial aid and military equipment that didn't stop Russia, the public criticism or the UN resolution?

How is Biden supporting genocide?

You don't think sending billions in military support and diplomatic cover in all instances translate as support? I mean, it's the textbook definition...

 

[Krakenzero]

You don't think sending billions in military support and diplomatic cover in all instances translate as support? I mean, it's the textbook definition...

So are El Sisi (Egypt) and Modi (India) supporting genocide as well due to their actions and/or omissions? Just checking.

By the way, which of the previously listed actions would have stopped the genocide?

 

[maniak]

So are El Sisi (Egypt) and Modi (India) supporting genocide as well due to their actions and/or omissions? Just checking.

By the way, which of the previously listed actions would have stopped the genocide?

You asked a question and I answered it. Can I also get an answer to my question? Because answering with multiple questions looks a lot like moving the goal posts. If you want to talk about egypt or india that's a different conversation, we are talking about biden.

I'll ask again.

Given that biden is sending billions in money and military hardware, given that he is blocking any UN attempts to have a ceasefire and facilitate humanitarian help, and given the US have de-funded UN organizations that provide humanitarian help to gazans, is biden supporting genocide or not?

 

[The Brown Bull]

You asked a question and I answered it. Can I also get an answer to my question? Because answering with multiple questions looks a lot like moving the goal posts. If you want to talk about egypt or india that's a different conversation, we are talking about biden.

I'll ask again.

Given that biden is sending billions in money and military hardware, given that he is blocking any UN attempts to have a ceasefire and facilitate humanitarian help, and given the US have de-funded UN organizations that provide humanitarian help to gazans, is biden supporting genocide or not?

Here's a question for you. Would Trump be better?

 

[maniak]

Here's a question for you. Would Trump be better?

No, of course not.

I see people are really struggling to recognize biden is supporting palestinian genocide...

 

[4bars]

Here's a question for you. Would Trump be better?

No. BUt would be Trump worse? and how?

 

[The Brown Bull]

No, of course not.

I see people are really struggling to recognize biden is supporting palestinian genocide...

No. Not I. But anyone thinking a different President is the answer is deluded.

 

[The Brown Bull]

No. BUt would be Trump worse? and how?

I believe he would. I just can't imagine him being better.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

The United States supports Israel virtually 100% in all things. It does not matter which party holds the presidency.

A Republican adminstration is a little more dangerous because they want to appeal to Evangelical freaks who desire the end of the world according to the book of Revelation.

 

[4bars]

I believe he would. I just can't imagine him being better.

But how he would be worse? an example?

Because right now it seems to me that it realistically can't be worse. It can be always worse in a movie like event. But I don't see it worse. Full support of US in arms, money and military protection, public support and UN veto, etc...

So this is what it is. The present. Trump would be better I don't think so but it is just an hypothesis that would be worse. Maybe would be slightly better as his Ego would make him take another approach to best Biden in the public opinion. But is wishful thinking

But going back on my question. Are you able to give me an example on how Trump would be worse (realistic)?

 

[maniak]

No. Not I. But anyone thinking a different President is the answer is deluded.

I don't think trump would be different, my argument is that if I were american I would demand more from biden before giving him my vote. Supporting genocide would be a political red line for me.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

Why am I not surprised?

Judge Cannon signals doubts about Jack Smith’s timeline for Trump trial in Florida (Politico)

Everything she does is basically a blowjob to Trump in public. Jack Smith will probably find a way to get her sacked, but the inevitable delay is a major problem here.

edit: Here is Glenn Kirschner's take. Trump's lawyers orignally said they would have taken August 12 for a beginning to the trial in Florida, but then Cannon fecked up that easy one in which the trial could either have started on August 12 or somewhere between then and Jack Smith's proposed date in July.

 

[Simbo]

But how he would be worse? an example?

Because right now it seems to me that it realistically can't be worse. It can be always worse in a movie like event. But I don't see it worse. Full support of US in arms, money and military protection, public support and UN veto, etc...

So this is what it is. The present. Trump would be better I don't think so but it is just an hypothesis that would be worse. Maybe would be slightly better as his Ego would make him take another approach to best Biden in the public opinion. But is wishful thinking

But going back on my question. Are you able to give me an example on how Trump would be worse (realistic)?

Trump might very well be better on Gaza. It depends on what suits him personally at any given time. That's the problem though, he's a man with a lot of exploitable personal problems. While this conflict holds so much value to Russia I'd expect Trump to just add fuel to the fire.

 

[langster]

Trump might very well be better on Gaza. It depends on what suits him personally at any given time. That's the problem though, he's a man with a lot of exploitable personal problems. While this conflict holds so much value to Russia I'd expect Trump to just add fuel to the fire.

I honestly can't see the man who moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem being any better than Biden. Trump's reasons for doing so we're purely self motivated to make him look good. Biden, wether you agree with him or not is at least honest about his stance and reasons for it, There is absolutely no way Trump would stand up to Netenyahu or do anything differently than Biden is. His Muslim ban and him saying he would bring it back 'bigger and better' says all you need to know about what he really thinks and feels.

I agree there isn't a huge difference, but I think at least Joe has compassion and empathy and huge international political experience, whereas Trump just reacts on a whim without ever thinking of the long term consequences. To be perfectly honest I'd rather not have either of them and it's a shit choice where Gaza and the Palestinians are concerned but I definitely think Biden is the better option.

 

[decorativeed]

They are unhappy because the man who is asking for their votes is supporting genocide. It's a bit more serious than just a disagreement about the handling of a conflict.

This idea that supporting genocide or not is just a political disagreement is bonkers.

Politicians have to earn their votes by doing what their voters want. In this case, stopping a genocide should be an easy goal, instead the US have behaved like absolute psychopaths. If biden loses it's because he failed to behave like a human being with a tiny bit of human empathy, not because his potential voters are idiots who think trump would be better.

I understand your point here, but their alternative would be to vote for a guy who'd only want to outdo Biden in his support for Israel. The guy who tried to ban Muslims coming into the US and who moved their embassy to Jerusalem. On this issue, they are equally unlikely to vote Trump.

 

[maniak]

I understand your point here, but their alternative would be to vote for a guy who'd only want to outdo Biden in his support for Israel. The guy who tried to ban Muslims coming into the US and who moved their embassy to Jerusalem. On this issue, they are equally unlikely to vote Trump.

That cost-benefit analysis would work in normal circumstances, but a genocide is not normal, so it would be crossing a moral line for many.

 

[B. Munich]

As someone pointed out in another thread, it's not the Jewish population per se, as much as it is the Christian evangelicals that strongly support Israel's actions in Gaza. And it's not just Arab Americans that are opposed to it, it's also very much younger, left-leaning voters in general. So you can't really just boil it down to number of Jewish voters vs. Arab American voters.

If you think about it purely electorally it becomes quite messy, because it's all about the slim margins in swing states. If Biden was to lose Michigan because of this it could mean the difference between winning and losing the election (all hypothetical of course). On the other hand, could he lose some evangelical support in states like Arizona, Pennsylvania, Nevada or Wisconsin that he won with razor thin margins in 2020, by going tougher on Israel? Who knows. Maybe they are die-hard Trump anyway.

Good post. I'm sure Biden and the democrats know this too. They have to come up with some peace or at least ceasefire plan to stop this war.

Wouldn't surprise me, if they already have one in hand and negotiations are ongoing but they will wait until the politically most opportune time, e.g. ending the war a month or few weeks before the general election. Tragic for many innocent people but that's how this world works.

 

[4bars]

I honestly can't see the man who moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem being any better than Biden. Trump's reasons for doing so we're purely self motivated to make him look good. Biden, wether you agree with him or not is at least honest about his stance and reasons for it, There is absolutely no way Trump would stand up to Netenyahu or do anything differently than Biden is. His Muslim ban and him saying he would bring it back 'bigger and better' says all you need to know about what he really thinks and feels.

I agree there isn't a huge difference, but I think at least Joe has compassion and empathy and huge international political experience, whereas Trump just reacts on a whim without ever thinking of the long term consequences. To be perfectly honest I'd rather not have either of them and it's a shit choice where Gaza and the Palestinians are concerned but I definitely think Biden is the better option.

Compassion and empathy? are we seeing the same conflict in Gaza? He rushed to help with money and arms to Israel, blocking UN resolution. Though I agree that Trump is all likelyhood would not be better for Gaza, it cant be worse. Biden is a selfserving prick also and I am still waiting for someone to tell me how trump could make the gaza situation worse

 

[Dumbstar]

How is Biden supporting genocide?

What could Biden, or any other POTUS in that particular situation, do to prevent that genocide from happening?

Fecking hell.

 

[langster]

Compassion and empathy? are we seeing the same conflict in Gaza? He rushed to help with money and arms to Israel. Though I agree that Trump is all likelyhood would not be better for Gaza, it cant be worse. Biden is a selfserving prick also and I am still waiting for someone to tell me how trump could make the gaza situation worse

No compassion and empathy for Gaza I agree, but I was meaning in almost every other area. I also don't see the self serving anywhere near as much as we did with Donald.


He's certainly not using the Presidency to fill his hotels, giving positions to unqualified family members and letting them make incredibly important decisions that affect the country and even the world. He's not scamming the tax payer by charging them to play for the secret service to stay in his hotels while he plays golf every week. He's not been accused of selling secrets or grifting selling merchandise. He's not in the same league as Trump and to be fair, most politicians are self service to a certain degree.

The Hunter accusations have mainly tuned out to be false and they all happened before he was President too. Jill has remained for the most part behind the scenes and is seen as a loving wife. All in all regardless of agreeing with his policies, he's definitely brought stability and normality back from the daily chaos Trump gave us and I doubt we will see Joe facing multiple court cases for breaking the law while in office or using campaign funds to pay off porn stars.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Biden supporter, just trying to be realistic in comparison between the two Presidents time in office.

As for Trump being worse , as I said in a previous post, his unpredictability and rash knee jerk decision making is a huge worry. His decisions made purely for his popularity or to gain favour with people in power or his supporters and not made for any other reason is a massive reason why he would be worse.

Another reason is his inexperience dealing with foreign nations or political situations and his lack of intelligence coupled with his constant insistence he's always right or the best at something. We saw him get played by Putin, I think Netenyahu would have a field day with him. Although in fairnes, Biden has been an absolute pussy, but that's mainly down to his personal stance on the issue and as he said, he's a self confessed Zionist that firmly supports Israel. I'm undecided as to if he's an Islamaphobe though, and I do believe he sincerely wants a two state solution, but his actions definitely haven't matched his words. There is no doubt Trump is islamaphobic and I guess we will have to wait to see how he handles things if he gets in. Like with any difficult and divisive subject he's remained pretty quiet on the issue as I think he knows if he says the wrong thing he will upset the AIPAC crowd he panders to and craves the support of. Seeing as the majority of Pro-israel supporters in the US outside of actual Jewish Americans are evangelicals, be definitely doesn't want to upset them either which makes me think he will either just sit in the background until he's forced to make a move or he will resolutely come out in support of Israel and unapologetically up the funding and support for Netenyahu and his murderous army.

His decisions will be solely based on how it effects him and his optics, whereas Biden's is more ideological and he will eventually have to bow to international pressure. I also believe he truly wants an end to this and is working behind the scenes for a ceasefire and total end to the slaughter. Although that's just my personal opinion and could easily be wrong and he's actually a cnut who is happy with the destruction of Gaza and can't wait to send the building companies in to profit from the rebuilding and Jewish control of the area.

It's all speculation really, but I think from Trump's past actions have shown, like moving the Embassy to Jerusalem, it's clear which side he favours and again, my thoughts lean to him definitely being worse .

 

[4bars]

No compassion and empathy for Gaza I agree, but I was meaning in almost every other area. I also don't see the self serving anywhere near as much as we did with Donald.


He's certainly not using the Presidency to fill his hotels, giving positions to unqualified family members and letting them make incredibly important decisions that affect the country and even the world. He's not scamming the tax payer by charging them to play for the secret service to stay in his hotels while he plays golf every week. He's not been accused of selling secrets or grifting selling merchandise. He's not in the same league as Trump and to be fair, most politicians are self service to a certain degree.

The Hunter accusations have mainly tuned out to be false and they all happened before he was President too. Jill has remained for the most part behind the scenes and is seen as a loving wife. All in all regardless of agreeing with his policies, he's definitely brought stability and normality back from the daily chaos Trump gave us and I doubt we will see Joe facing multiple court cases for breaking the law while in office or using campaign funds to pay off porn stars.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Biden supporter, just trying to be realistic in comparison between the two Presidents time in office.

As for Trump being worse , as I said in a previous post, his unpredictability and rash knee jerk decision making is a huge worry. His decisions made purely for his popularity or to gain favour with people in power or his supporters and not made for any other reason is a massive reason why he would be worse.

Another reason is his inexperience dealing with foreign nations or political situations and his lack of intelligence coupled with his constant insistence he's always right or the best at something. We saw him get played by Putin, I think Netenyahu would have a field day with him. Although in fairnes, Biden has been an absolute pussy, but that's mainly down to his personal stance on the issue and as he said, he's a self confessed Zionist that firmly supports Israel. I'm undecided as to if he's an Islamaphobe though, and I do believe he sincerely wants a two state solution, but his actions definitely haven't matched his words. There is no doubt Trump is islamaphobic and I guess we will have to wait to see how he handles things if he gets in. Like with any difficult and divisive subject he's remained pretty quiet on the issue as I think he knows if he says the wrong thing he will upset the AIPAC crowd he panders to and craves the support of. Seeing as the majority of Pro-israel supporters in the US outside of actual Jewish Americans are evangelicals, be definitely doesn't want to upset them either which makes me think he will either just sit in the background until he's forced to make a move or he will resolutely come out in support of Israel and unapologetically up the funding and support for Netenyahu and his murderous army.

His decisions will be solely based on how it effects him and his optics, whereas Biden's is more ideological and he will eventually have to bow to international pressure. I also believe he truly wants an end to this and is working behind the scenes for a ceasefire and total end to the slaughter. Although that's just my personal opinion and could easily be wrong and he's actually a cnut who is happy with the destruction of Gaza and can't wait to send the building companies in to profit from the rebuilding and Jewish control of the area.

It's all speculation really, but I think from Trump's past actions have shown, like moving the Embassy to Jerusalem, it's clear which side he favours and again, my thoughts lean to him definitely being worse .

We might agree in certain aspects of Biden presidency, we would mostly agree in Trump in most of the circumstances.

What I don't understand is your stance on Biden in Gaza and down playing his roll. He doesnt want to end anything in Gaza as he is absolutely in favour



Also Biden itself said in the 80s during the lebanon war that:

“would go even further than Israel, adding that he'd forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.”


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...easefire-may-leave-him-at-odds-with-his-party

So what are we talking about? in the 80s he went further than israel and he would merrily kill women and children and now he is emphatic and compassionate?

Make no mistake, everything that you are reading in the press is to manipulate you in mitigating Biden monstrous pro-Israel campaign because electoralism. He is deep in it, he wants it and support it 100%. If he would 1% want to diminish what israel is doing, it would be noticeable. He rushed 14 billion package aid to Israel, he is blocking any resolution and what is happening in the strip is still barbaric with the support of US

Trump moving the embassy in Jerusalem tells a lot of his stance (fecking money), but embassy moved to Jerusalem is basically symbolic. It doesn't make it worse for the palestinians dying in droves. That is why Trump can't be worse when people are being short looking for food and water. When the infrastructure is +80% destroyed and there is nothing stopping israel. Can't be worse, can be the same

 

[langster]

We might agree in certain aspects of Biden presidency, we would mostly agree in Trump in most of the circumstances.

What I don't understand is your stance on Biden in Gaza and down playing his roll. He doesnt want to end anything in Gaza as he is absolutely in favour



Also Biden itself said in the 80s during the lebanon war that:

“would go even further than Israel, adding that he'd forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.”


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...easefire-may-leave-him-at-odds-with-his-party

So what are we talking about? in the 80s he went further than israel and he would merrily kill women and children and now he is emphatic and compassionate?

Make no mistake, everything that you are reading in the press is to manipulate you in mitigating Biden monstrous pro-Israel campaign because electoralism. He is deep in it, he wants it and support it 100%. If he would 1% want to diminish what israel is doing, it would be noticeable. He rushed 14 billion package aid to Israel, he is blocking any resolution and what is happening in the strip is still barbaric with the support of US

Trump moving the embassy in Jerusalem tells a lot of his stance (fecking money), but embassy moved to Jerusalem is basically symbolic. It doesn't make it worse for the palestinians dying in droves. That is why Trump can't be worse when people are being short looking for food and water. When the infrastructure is +80% destroyed and there is nothing stopping israel. Can't be worse, can be the same

To be absolutely honest, I haven't read much at all about Biden and the issue. It was more just my feeling of when I've seen him speak about it. As I said, I could definitely be wrong, and it looks like I am tbh. I will go and read up on some of his past comments etc.

Thanks again..

 

[Hamnat]

‘Trump Bucks’ promise wealth for MAGA loyalty. Some lose thousands.

In the recesses of the internet where some of Donald Trump’s most fervent supporters stoke conspiracies and plot his return to the White House, suspected con artists have been mining their disappointment over the last presidential election for gold.

They’ve been peddling “Trump Bucks,” which are emblazoned with photos of the former president, and advertising them online as a kind of golden ticket that will help propel Trump’s 2024 bid and make the “real patriots” who support him rich when cashed in.

John Amann told NBC News he bought $2,200 worth of Trump Bucks and other items over the past year only to discover they were worthless when he tried to cash them in at his local bank. So he’s gone on Twitter to warn other Trump supporters not to fall for this scam.

NBC News has identified the Colorado-based companies behind the Trump Bucks as Patriots Dynasty, Patriots Future and USA Patriots and reviewed dozens of social posts, online complaints and hundreds of misleading ads for the products. Additionally, NBC News has found at least a dozen people like Amann who say they invested thousands of dollars after watching the pitches on Telegram and other websites that strongly suggested that Trump himself was endorsing these products.

But on social media and in promotional videos — many featuring faked celebrity endorsements — the sellers have tapped an audience that believes Trump’s ouster was part of a great conspiracy and that by investing in the Trump Rebate Banking System, or TRB for short, Trump will reward their loyalty by making them rich.

Those who buy these items, the ads from Patriots Dynasty, Patriots Future and USA Patriots suggest, will be rewarded when Trump unveils a new monetary system that will turn these products into legal tender worth far more than the purchase price.

These absolute idiots. They never learn. Who the hell would believe any of that utter nonsense? So absorbed in conspiracy with a huge fraud. They themselves are ripe for being targeted by frauds over and over again.

 

[langster]

Those who buy these items, the ads from Patriots Dynasty, Patriots Future and USA Patriots suggest, will be rewarded when Trump unveils a new monetary system that will turn these products into legal tender worth far more than the purchase price.

The entire post is hilarious but that last paragraph really is fecking something else

Honestly these morons will make up and believe anything instead of facing the harsh truth. It reminds me of those clowns on Beyond The Curve who spent $20,000 on a laser gyroscope hoping it would prove the earth was flat but obviously it didn't and actually proved as we all know the earth is spherical. The 'oh it must be broken' line that followed was fecking priceless

 

[B. Munich]

The entire post is hilarious but that last paragraph really is fecking something else

Honestly these morons will make up and believe anything instead of facing the harsh truth. It reminds me of those clowns on Beyond The Curve who spent $20,000 on a laser gyroscope hoping it would prove the earth was flat but obviously it didn't and actually proved as we all know the earth is spherical. The 'oh it must be broken' line that followed was fecking priceless

Always a good laugh watching the interviews at MAGA gatherings or such stories.

I haven't been to the US for 30 years but met many Americans here in South East Asia. Apart some of the veterans most were decent and had balanced views about politics and the world.

Therefore, it's hard for me to believe there are really enough morons to hand Trump a second term.

 

[TwoSheds]

The entire post is hilarious but that last paragraph really is fecking something else

Honestly these morons will make up and believe anything instead of facing the harsh truth. It reminds me of those clowns on Beyond The Curve who spent $20,000 on a laser gyroscope hoping it would prove the earth was flat but obviously it didn't and actually proved as we all know the earth is spherical. The 'oh it must be broken' line that followed was fecking priceless

I think you missed the point of Beyond the Curve there. It's much more sad than it is funny that what seemed like a nice and intelligent guy couldn't accept he was wrong about the flat earth because he'd turned his back on friendships and family ties in order to embrace the community he'd found in flat earthing.It's a symptom of a sick society.

 

[ColvaleGoa]

 

[langster]

I think you missed the point of Beyond the Curve there. It's much more sad than it is funny that what seemed like a nice and intelligent guy couldn't accept he was wrong about the flat earth because he'd turned his back on friendships and family ties in order to embrace the community he'd found in flat earthing.It's a symptom of a sick society.

I really didn't miss the point of Behind the Curve at all. Of course it''s sad but I still found parts of it genuinely funny. Both hilarious and incredulous at the same time. I know three flat earthers and one of them is a fully qualified skipper of a fishing boat. I find it absolutely insane and truly baffling how someone who has studied and uses navigation like he has, yet still thinks the earth is flat because videos on YouTube made sense. He's clearly not stupid because to get the tickets he has requires a minimum of over a year at college and a series of sincerely brutal exams before you pass. The trigonometry required and the maths required to work out centres of buoyancy and gravity etc.

Just thinking back to when I did it is frightening and it honestly doesn't make sense you can even begin to think the Earth is flat when you study navigation either as pilot or boat skipper, as a huge part of everything you are learning is based around the variation and deviation of the true and magnetic north and south poles or the effects of wind and tide and how far above sea level you need to be before you can see the horizon etc. That's before you get in to the meteorology and astral navigation side of things.

I have spent more than a few evenings either ripping them or genuinely questioning how the feck they can believe something that is so obviously an absolute load of nonsensical bollocks. There's no malice involved, though. Anyway, I've gone off topic, but yeah, sorry, I do find it funny and also quite sad at the same time.

Dan (The fisherman) actually told me he would vote for Trump if he was American so maybe there is a correlation between Trump cult members and the flat Earth lot as apparently a high percentage of Trump supporters are flat Earthers. Even Tucker Carlson said in an interview he was 'Open to the idea of the world being flat'

 

[TwoSheds]

I really didn't miss the point of Behind the Curve at all. Of course it''s sad but I still found parts of it genuinely funny. Both hilarious and incredulous at the same time. I know three flat earthers and one of them is a fully qualified skipper of a fishing boat. I find it absolutely insane and truly baffling how someone who has studied and uses navigation like he has, yet still thinks the earth is flat because videos on YouTube made sense. He's clearly not stupid because to get the tickets he has requires a minimum of over a year at college and a series of sincerely hard exams before you pass. Not to mention a minimum of 10 years sea time.

Just thinking back to when I did it is frightening and it honestly doesn't make sense you can even begin to think the Earth is flat when you study navigation either as pilot or boat skipper, as a huge part of everything you are learning is based around the variation and deviation of the true and magnetic north and south poles or the effects of wind and tide and how far above sea level you need to be before you can see the horizon etc. That's before you get in to the meteorology and astral navigation side of things.

I have spent more than a few evenings either ripping them or genuinely questioning how the feck they can believe something that is so obviously an absolute lots of nonsensical bollocks. There's no malice involved, though. Anyway, I've gone off topic, but yeah, sorry, I do find it funny and also quite sad at the same time.

Dan (The fisherman) actually told me he would vote for Trump if he was American so maybe there is a correlation between Trump cult members and the flat Earth lot as apparently a high percentage of Trump supporters are flat Earthers. Even Tucker Carlson said in an interview he was 'Open to the idea of the world being flat'

Yeah I think you have missed the point. They lack an emotional connection that is found in the flat earth community, at least the ones in that documentary did. And not only that, they often end up falling out with anyone who isn't connected to it which doubly locks them in. So yeah I agree it probably is similar to MAGA - those people also seem to frequently be lacking a purpose or sense of community or something and similarly find it in the Trump loony cotunity.

It's absolutely nothing to do with logic, and many of them are fully logically capable as you allude to. It's about sadness, same as drug addiction in a way.

 

[The Brown Bull]

 

[VorZakone]

 

[calodo2003]

Agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment.

 

[4bars]

Sure. The wolf is coming, the wolf is coming

What do we do? Vote fecking me! (read like Bill Burr voice)

"It's the most important vote for democracy!"

same in 2016, 2020 with all the midterms in between.

2024? fecking the same

guess what in 2028?

Trump will be there till he wins or dies

 

[calodo2003]

Sure. The wolf is coming, the wolf is coming

What do we do? Vote fecking me! (read like Bill Burr voice)

"It's the most important vote for democracy!"

same in 2016, 2020 with all the midterms in between.

2024? fecking the same

guess what in 2028?

Trump will be there till he wins or dies

And thankfully the voting (sans 2016 when we really didn't know what Trump would ultimately be like) has kept democracy in good stead.

One poor showing at the polls & it won't be pretty for many constituents in my country.

 

[4bars]

And thankfully the voting (sans 2016 when we really didn't know what Trump would ultimately be like) has kept democracy in good stead.

One poor showing at the polls & it won't be pretty for many constituents in my country.

I agree a low participation will favour Trump, but poor showing should be avoided with an appealing candidate. Not with a decrepit demented genocide candidate saying that Trump is bad so vote for me. So Biden has only himself to blame

 

[calodo2003]