Then why didn't you mention any positive attribute about mental and intellect, but only mention physical and natural trait?
And according to this very thread, it's not just me. A racist stereotype is racist.
Diversity of Burnley's squad
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Then why didn't you mention any positive attribute about mental and intellect, but only mention physical and natural trait?
And according to this very thread, it's not just me. A racist stereotype is racist.
Not many gingers either
Was thinking that.
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It's probably more to do with Burnley as a place. Poor predominantly white Northern town. Not sure how many black players would be interested in going there.
Also Dyche might predominantly want British players. Burnley are defensive and a physical side. It'd suit him to sign someone from the Championship than the continent as they're more likely to play his hoofball.
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Oh Burnley isn't great at all, very run down even by Nothern England standards....(sorry another stereotype for this thread....
) but worth remembering Blackburn and Bolton had multi national squads in their premier league days and those town centres are pretty deprived. Wigan is slightly better and they had plenty of South American players of course under Bruce and Martinez.
Burnley's only a 50 minute bus ride from Manchester aswell so any foreign signing could just live there instead as pretty easy commute.
It's probably more to do with Burnley as a place. Poor predominantly white Northern town. Not sure how many black players would be interested in going there.
Also Dyche might predominantly want British players. Burnley are defensive and a physical side. It'd suit him to sign someone from the Championship than the continent as they're more likely to play his hoofball.
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Oh Burnley isn't great at all, very run down even by Nothern England standards....(sorry another stereotype for this thread....
) but worth remembering Blackburn and Bolton had multi national squads in their premier league days and those town centres are pretty deprived. Wigan is slightly better and they had plenty of South American players of course under Bruce and Martinez.Burnley's only a 50 minute bus ride from Manchester aswell so any foreign signing could just live there instead as pretty easy commute.
It happens in the UK as well.
A 5-a-side team of youths raised in inner city Birmingham would likely destroy a 5-a-side team raised in Alderley Edge, regardless of race.
It just so happens that 99.9% of black youths are raised in urban environments where football rules and they have limited access to other sports (tennis, cricket, rugby, swimming etc.)
There was no variation for me, football in the street everyday from the age of 12.
Hahaha!!
Sean Dyche is Boris in disguise.
The women's first team:
Look at them thick legs, something fishy is going on. Is Grealish coaching them?
Looking for some sort of angle thats not there.
feck sake.
feck sake.
Diversity problems at Liverpool too: They have a squad of annoying pricks. Where's their quota of un-annoying pricks 
Dyche is ginger
Not MANY
It's the no gingerS club. They're allowed one.
Asides that Russian club (there may be more than one) where they openly disapprove of their club signing black players, or any club that bans a certain race from their squad (I doubt any exists in recognised leagues - even Athletic Bilbao doesn't discriminate against race); why does anyone look at a football team and think about the ethnicity/race of the players???
I only read the link on black power as that's the one that specifically references athleticism of some sort. There are so many things wrong with that article but as you said I'll leave it at that.
Even if we say its not representative of the wider population, it is the case in top level sports. The Premier league is top level sports so the question posed about Burnley's squad is still valid.
Did you miss the part where I said this or did you just stop reading once you saw the word "black"?
"Most teams also have French or Spanish players as they produce the best footballers in Europe along with Germany. There are also a lot more South American players in the PL because frankly their players are usually a joy to watch and have the extra skill and flair needed in teams.
I find it quite odd that Burnley wouldn't want some of these qualities in their team."
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I just can't stand Dyche. He's such a dick. Hope for relegation, forever.
Never even noticed.
It must be tiring wondering whether everything that happens in the world is due to racism.
It must be tiring wondering whether everything that happens in the world is due to racism.
United also have a lot of English players. Rashford, Greenwood, Lingard, Wan-Bissaka, Tuanzebe, Mengi, Laird etc.
And why isn't this ridiculous thread closed yet?
The most racist team is still Blackburn. The name speaks for itself.
Quite incredible how football fans have gone from criticising clubs for not having enough British players to claiming racism if they have too many in just 10-15 years.
I’m amazed it took almost a whole page for that to get pulled up. And I couldn’t agree more with you there.
Surely it is up to Burnley what they want to do in regards of their recruitment policy.
I am sure if a player became available to them and he fitted into their structure and would improve the team then he would be brought into the team regardless of creed or race.
I am sure if a player became available to them and he fitted into their structure and would improve the team then he would be brought into the team regardless of creed or race.
I dare you to find a single word about "black" in my post.
It seems you see I talked about the physical and natural trait and your mind automatically jumps to "black". You definitely need to have a word with yourself.
Also, you didn't even attempt to answer my question. That says a lot, to be honest.
I’m pretty sure Dyche has signed and played black players before so that pretty much ends the racism debate
So the reason for the statistical anomaly is likely just variance and nothing more. With 80+ pro clubs there are bound to be some that are far less diverse than others. Just like if you ask 80 people to flip a coin 5 times some might land on heads each time
So the reason for the statistical anomaly is likely just variance and nothing more. With 80+ pro clubs there are bound to be some that are far less diverse than others. Just like if you ask 80 people to flip a coin 5 times some might land on heads each time
Truth is coming out now isn’t it.
Is this how the campaigning for racial equality has made you feel?
OP is a total car crash; as are many posts in the thread to be totally honest.
However it is a totally legitimate conversation that needs to be had sometimes. I too arrived at the conclusion that there isn’t any viable evidence showing Burnley as racist, and it is down to a number of different factors but that doesn’t make the base premise of the thread ridiculous.
Their recruitment doesn’t target white, but rather the factors they target usually lead to white British players. The squad make up is a result of their recruitment process, finances and club location.
Yeah they’re very white, and that isn’t great but on its own it isn’t racist. BAME in general are over represented at the top playing level in England (which is good, and shames many other sectors), so it doesn’t surprise me that there are some exceptions to that.
However it is a totally legitimate conversation that needs to be had sometimes. I too arrived at the conclusion that there isn’t any viable evidence showing Burnley as racist, and it is down to a number of different factors but that doesn’t make the base premise of the thread ridiculous.
Their recruitment doesn’t target white, but rather the factors they target usually lead to white British players. The squad make up is a result of their recruitment process, finances and club location.
Yeah they’re very white, and that isn’t great but on its own it isn’t racist. BAME in general are over represented at the top playing level in England (which is good, and shames many other sectors), so it doesn’t surprise me that there are some exceptions to that.
And you determined this how...?
I mean, was the post too long for you? Or have you read any other posts in the thread?
But let me elaborate for you.
They have a black player in the squad who regularly plays for them. They’ve had numerous black players over the last few years under Dyche. Their youth set up also has numerous BAME players amongst the ranks.
The players were absolutely appalled by the fans actions with that plane message.
Now how did they end up with the current first team set up? Well it’s obvious Dyche prefers a strong British core to his squads, players with similar upbringings and footballing philosophies. That is regardless of ethnicity. While black makes up 30% of the premier league players, it’s still only 3% of the UK population which means that it is disproportionate at the top level because of international players of colour. Dyche definitely has a preference for British players, and their budget and scouting mainly extends to just British (but not entirely). The lower down the leagues you go more generally the less ethnically diverse the teams are. The footballing, and non-footballing qualities Dyche knows well and prefers to work with isn’t expansive.
Now you could turn round and say “but then you’ve made it sound like he’s xenophobic instead of racist!” - well not really because a lot of the points above are universal, he routinely uses foreign nationals in his teams and squads.
Hope that clears it up slightly for you. But now I ask you, why do you think Burnley football club is a racist institution?
Classic racist thread.
I’m sure OP will post a similar thread for all the 80/90% black teams on the continent in nations that are predominate white too.
Why does diversity only ever go one way?
Do we need to get a clipboard out each gameweek and tick off players as they come out the tunnel and reject a team if they don't match demographics that day? Any given day there could be 6 or 7 BAME players in the United matchday 11, is that racist since the UK population is considered '56%' white?
Or maybe we should just play footballers and not look at skin colour as some determining factor, especially in a area like top level football where the lowest paid player is better off than 95% of the populace and not exactly oppressed. Get your race glasses off and focus on the individual.
I’m sure OP will post a similar thread for all the 80/90% black teams on the continent in nations that are predominate white too.
Why does diversity only ever go one way?
Do we need to get a clipboard out each gameweek and tick off players as they come out the tunnel and reject a team if they don't match demographics that day? Any given day there could be 6 or 7 BAME players in the United matchday 11, is that racist since the UK population is considered '56%' white?
Or maybe we should just play footballers and not look at skin colour as some determining factor, especially in a area like top level football where the lowest paid player is better off than 95% of the populace and not exactly oppressed. Get your race glasses off and focus on the individual.
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So because there is no diversity in the squad, they must hire/bring in black/brown/Asian players? And why do you classify all black people as ‘athletic’? Does that mean that other races are not athletic ?
Stop talking shit when there’s nothing to back it up.
Stop talking shit when there’s nothing to back it up.
That has to be one of the worst OPs I've ever seen on here.
While it is indeed curious how their squad is so predominantly white, I don't think any of the qualities mentioned in the OP are lacking.
Dwight McNeil is full of flair, Jay Rodriguez and Jack Cork are technical, their center backs are athletic and Nick Pope is more agile than most keepers in the league.
Dwight McNeil is full of flair, Jay Rodriguez and Jack Cork are technical, their center backs are athletic and Nick Pope is more agile than most keepers in the league.
Burnley is secretly a club with a fetish for R Crumb women?
I will always try and engage with the question posed even if I think it's not a particularly interesting one. It's actually more impressive how Alex Ferguson managed to avoid signing any Germans or Italians given how many top players come from those countries. Or how there are exactly two players of British Asian descent in the Premier League (Neil Taylor, Hamza Chaudhuri).
I'm not saying you can't find foreign players with the style Dyche wants (Fellaini and Cahill come to mind) but the managers you have listed managed bigger clubs. Everton are one of England's most successful clubs, West Ham are a big London club with a notorious reputation for signing expensive foreign wasters. Even Stoke had a reputation for spending money in the mid 2010s.
Burnley have clearly found that you can get good value for domestic players. Why sign Joselu who offers nothing when you can sign a player as good as Andre Gray (again, domestic and non white) who speaks the language and understands the league for the same cost? Why sign disastrously overvalued foreign players like Giannelli Imbula when you can sign James Tarkowski (once again, a player with paternal roots in Poland) for a pittance? Even when Burnley spend big Dyche seems to prefer tried and tested players - like Wood or Ben Gibson. Gibson is a collosal flop. Obviously this can't last forever so either they get lucky again or they'll probably go down at the end of the year.
Given it's size, Lancashire is a hotbed of football. At the academy level they also have to compete with Man United and City who hoover up the best talent, including the best black talent. Plus those clubs attract talent from across the UK and the world. If this was Crystal Palace we were talking about, given the racial demographics of Croydon, it would be a more interesting question.
What an absurd thread. Burney isn't an aberration: every other club is. Every other club has a massive overrepresentation of non-white players relative to the general population.
Exactly. We should look to the modern rightists for guidance on race relations. Gawd bless the leaders of the right setting the example. The awesome power of the Boris Johnson, Trump and Bolsonaro trifecta is showing those modern leftists whatfor.
This is ridiculously unfair. Instead of casting aspersions over an entire town, just think that it was one idiot who organised that deplorable banner. This doesn’t make the whole town racist, predominantly white or not. I’m sure they’re not too fond of the guy who flew this plane for disgracing them too. Remember, Mee and Dyche came out after a 5-0 loss and slammed it right away. It’s a working class football team in a working class town.
This happened only a few months back during a Burnley game.
It's a small English town with a large reactionary white population. Shit football team that plays shite football in a shit hole town.
Also, shit football yes, but shit football team? One of the best teams in England they are considering there are thousands and they are in the top 15. They play in one of the two best leagues in the world as well. I’m sorry but you have to stop chatting out of your arse.
This post is appalling too, albeit opposite to the above poster’s POV. You’re undeniably making the point that every club bar Burnley is an aberration for having too many black or yellow players. Excuse me?
If you had your way, world class players like Pogba, Son, Kante etc would still be playing in France, Italy, Germany, Korea etc. That would lessen the quality in this league tenfold, while making it racist.
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