Diversity of Burnley's squad

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El Jefe said:
Thank you very much. I don't see why some are getting so precious about this. Burnley have been in the league for a long time now and the make up of their squad is very different to others in the league.
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Sheffield United have a very similar make up
They're not wholly unique
 
AkaAkuma said:
I read an article this week whereby Patrick Bamford spoke of his time at burnley, he felt ostracised by Dyche based on the fact he had been privately educated and had come through the comfortable environment of the chelsea academy. The jist was that he didnt know the meaning of hardwork.
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That’s pretty interesting actually, do you have a link?
 
If I were a South American player, Burnley would be the last fecking place i'd want to move to.
 
Threads and opinions like this undermine genuine efforts to root out and tackle racism in all its forms.

There are basically no English players in the NBA, is that racist too? No, it's due to any number of coincidental non racist factors.

Let me know when Dyche pinches Evra's skin and 'compliments' his complexion like a certain Uruguayan nobody seems bothered by anymore...

A better question is how many fans would/would have taken Suarez at United (now or during his prime) and what does that say about the game's stance on racism? (If somebody can point me to an apology from Luis Suarez, or John Terry for that matter, then please do).

People love to pretend they care about kicking racism out of the game, but we would rather stir the pot with baseless insinuation than actually take firm action over proven racist incidents.

As a side note was anyone else less than impressed with the reaction to Montrezl Harrell calling Luka Doncic a b**** a** white boy recently on camera? It sets the wrong message, just like this thread in my opinion.
 
Nobody, or at least, not the OP called Burnley racist. I have no idea why people are ignoring that fact, and choosing an argument that they have decided they would like to have, and having it regardless.

From what I read, it was just a presentation of facts for an open discussion. All this ‘well Dwight McNeil plays for them so what you say now?’ is strawman and aside from any point being made. Nobody has said blacks are banned from Burnley football club, or accused Sean Dyche of being racist. But the composition of their squad is what it is, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have a conversation as to how it has ended up as it has. Some people have made valid suggestions, like economic limitations, attractiveness of the club/town to a certain profile of person/player. Ultimately, given the numbers, I don’t see it unreasonable to just explore it.
 
It's probably more to do with Burnley as a place. Poor predominantly white Northern town. Not sure how many black players would be interested in going there.

Also Dyche might predominantly want British players. Burnley are defensive and a physical side. It'd suit him to sign someone from the Championship than the continent as they're more likely to play his hoofball.
 
Jericho said:
Modern leftist thinking has conditioned some people to see everything through the lense of race and gender. When they do this kind of thing they think it makes them appear progressive and virtuous.
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Nail on the head. Those unwashed lefties wanting to give poor people access to healthcare, employment rights, a safety net that ensures children are fed regular meals are obsessed with identity politics. As a straight white Male I find it so annoying that they want to discuss issues like this and convince people that maybe things have been easier for me. It genuinely feels like we are under attack. Cant we just go back to the good old days of talking about the war?
 
Sweet Square said:
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This happened only a few months back during a Burnley game.

It's a small English town with a large reactionary white population. Shit football team that plays shite football in a shit hole town.
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Summed up perfectly.
 
it's actually incredible that this is worth debating for some people. who fecking cares?
 
Zlatattack said:
It's probably more to do with Burnley as a place. Poor predominantly white Northern town. Not sure how many black players would be interested in going there.

Also Dyche might predominantly want British players. Burnley are defensive and a physical side. It'd suit him to sign someone from the Championship than the continent as they're more likely to play his hoofball.
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Shit loads I would have thought. Whether black, white or any other colour they're a Premier League Club and pay fantastic wages compared to other football clubs in the world or the average kind of wage for your average person. Their players won't be living on a Burnley council estate but a nice little (well big actually) rural farmhouse or perhaps even in a plush apartment in Manchester city centre that's only a 45 minute drive away.
 
Sweet Square said:
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This happened only a few months back during a Burnley game.

It's a small English town with a large reactionary white population. Shit football team that plays shite football in a shit hole town.
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Why are they a shit football team
 
The Original said:
This is not about Sean Dyche and the few black players he may have used someplace sometime, this is about Burnely and a rather ostentatious lack of representation in both their male and female teams.

Are there not blacks who understand the culture who are just as accessible?
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I've just given you three examples of three players who played for Dyche. Dwight McNeil played every PL game for Burnley last season. I can give you another dozen players over the last decade and a half beginning with Clark Carlisle who was chairman of the PFA and Andrew Cole (you may not have heard of him as he had a fairly modest career).

Reading your posts here it's obvious you have nothing to contribute. Another one to add to the ignore list.
kouroux said:
Off the pitch qualities like what exactly ?
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Dyche was on a podcast recently (here's a link to it) where he was talking about what he expects in players, his recruitment process, his philosophy. The usual guff - disciplined, right attitude, respect, be humble, keep your head down etc. He seems to want to stamp out too much individual flair. I'd imagine it's a harder sell for players from a foreign footballing culture and Dyche strikes me as the type who would rather stick with characters he knows he can trust. ie. Mostly cheapish British footballers who speak the language and will integrate fast. Burnley may have plenty of money relative to a Ligue 1 team but they play in a league where rival teams spend money like water. They have one of the smallest wage bills in the league and bring players through an academy which is probably made up mostly of domestic/local talent. Do we honestly think Dyche wouldn't sign Zaha or Rashford if he had the money to?
Wednesday at Stoke said:
So there aren’t black British players? I mean the chances of signing black English players in your squad is much higher than signing an Icelandic and New Zealander and they have one of each.
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I've just listed three of them in that post you quoted. I'll throw in Junior Stanislas and Darikwa.

They've signed one Kiwi, Chris Wood from Leeds who has spent his whole career in English football.
Rozay said:
How could it possibly, when he said more than once that he sees it as coincidence and is making no insinuation?
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Eh? He never used that word. He said he said "I'm not accusing them of anything but it's odd", then goes on to create the thread. If it's such a coincidence, wouldn't he ignore it? Or phrase it differently? He identifies that Burnely have a deficiency of atheleticism (a quality which HE links to black players. I'm not even going near that minefield on a board as insane as redcafe) and atheltic footballers and then proceeded to invite the caf to respond if we feel this is deliberate (his words) on Burnley's part.

I then proceeded to explain why this might be the case and I have said that Burnley do in fact sign black players. Maybe less than the average Premier league side, certainly less than the average London club. But then it's London, people actually want to be there. Who wants to go to Burnely?
 
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El Jefe said:
I was just looking at Burnley's squad and is anyone else amazed at the lack of diversity in the squad both from a nationality and race perspective. I'm not accusing them of anything but its odd as every other team in the league has a decent mix.

It probably says a lot about their style of play too. In the PL you'd expect to have black players in the squad as genetically they are the most athletic. Most teams also have French or Spanish players as they produce the best footballers in Europe along with Germany. There are also a lot more South American players in the PL because frankly their players are usually a joy to watch and have the extra skill and flair needed in teams.

I find it quite odd that Burnley wouldn't want some of these qualities in their team. I mean it's served them well so far but looking at them you can't help but feel one of the reasons they are bottom is due to lack of pace, athleticism and skill in the side. Pulis was a fecking dinosaur but even he had a diverse team with the likes of Begovic, Nzonzi, Kenwyne Jones.

My question to the Caf is do you think this is deliberate from Burnley?
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I'd suggest you look up the parents of the players, as there's at least 1 who's father is black, before you decide what race they identify as.
 
El Jefe said:
I was just looking at Burnley's squad and is anyone else amazed at the lack of diversity in the squad both from a nationality and race perspective. I'm not accusing them of anything but its odd as every other team in the league has a decent mix.

It probably says a lot about their style of play too. In the PL you'd expect to have black players in the squad as genetically they are the most athletic. Most teams also have French or Spanish players as they produce the best footballers in Europe along with Germany. There are also a lot more South American players in the PL because frankly their players are usually a joy to watch and have the extra skill and flair needed in teams.

I find it quite odd that Burnley wouldn't want some of these qualities in their team. I mean it's served them well so far but looking at them you can't help but feel one of the reasons they are bottom is due to lack of pace, athleticism and skill in the side. Pulis was a fecking dinosaur but even he had a diverse team with the likes of Begovic, Nzonzi, Kenwyne Jones.

My question to the Caf is do you think this is deliberate from Burnley?
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Dunno and don't care. I did date a girl from Burnley who suggested her mother was on that anti immigrant shit but I dunno if this extends to the culture of the city. England is still a majority white country (84%) so it doesn't seem crazy to me if 1/20 clubs in the top division has mostly white players.
 
McTerminator said:
Threads and opinions like this undermine genuine efforts to root out and tackle racism in all its forms.
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Actually, the attempts to dismiss any discussion on race is more harmful to progression on the issue. The OP didn’t even make any accusations, just an observation, and people in here started kicking off, talking about Leftist thinking or trying to deflect and bring up a lack of Asian representation. It says a lot about certain posters.
 
Rozay said:
Nobody, or at least, not the OP called Burnley racist. I have no idea why people are ignoring that fact, and choosing an argument that they have decided they would like to have, and having it regardless.

From what I read, it was just a presentation of facts for an open discussion. All this ‘well Dwight McNeil plays for them so what you say now?’ is strawman and aside from any point being made. Nobody has said blacks are banned from Burnley football club, or accused Sean Dyche of being racist. But the composition of their squad is what it is, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have a conversation as to how it has ended up as it has. Some people have made valid suggestions, like economic limitations, attractiveness of the club/town to a certain profile of person/player. Ultimately, given the numbers, I don’t see it unreasonable to just explore it.
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Well said
 
rcoobc said:
Does anyone else find this characterisation of black people as "genetically the most athletic" as rather problematic.

Rather leaning into lazy stereotypes.
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Yes OP is a disaster. That and assuming he knows the ethic backgrounds of people simply based on not being dark skinned enough to disprove his point. Entire thread is just full of generalisations about the entire population of the town.
 
I’m sure if Mane fancied a move to Burnley Dyche would say no.

Dyche seems like a quality guy. It’s a coincidence.
 
Rozay said:
Nobody, or at least, not the OP called Burnley racist. I have no idea why people are ignoring that fact, and choosing an argument that they have decided they would like to have, and having it regardless.

From what I read, it was just a presentation of facts for an open discussion. All this ‘well Dwight McNeil plays for them so what you say now?’ is strawman and aside from any point being made. Nobody has said blacks are banned from Burnley football club, or accused Sean Dyche of being racist. But the composition of their squad is what it is, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have a conversation as to how it has ended up as it has. Some people have made valid suggestions, like economic limitations, attractiveness of the club/town to a certain profile of person/player. Ultimately, given the numbers, I don’t see it unreasonable to just explore it.
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OL29 said:
Actually, the attempts to dismiss any discussion on race is more harmful to progression on the issue. The OP didn’t even make any accusations, just an observation, and people in here started kicking off, talking about Leftist thinking or trying to deflect and bring up a lack of Asian representation. It says a lot about certain posters.
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Well said both of you. I intentionally made mention of South American players, French and Spanish players but some people saw the word black and immediately lost the vision to see anything beyond that. A hit dog will holler they say.

Red_toad said:
Yes OP is a disaster. That and assuming he knows the ethic backgrounds of people simply based on not being dark skinned enough to disprove his point. Entire thread is just full of generalisations about the entire population of the town.
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Out of all the posts against my OP, this one truly stands out. The bit in bold is pure horseshit :lol:
 
For a topic meant to subtly suggest racism, it's impressive how many racial/ethnic sterotypes you managed to squeeze in there.
 
Jesus christ mate, have you got anything pertinent to talk about other than the race of footballers? You might actually be the racist if that is how you view the world.
 
Zlatattack said:
It's probably more to do with Burnley as a place. Poor predominantly white Northern town. Not sure how many black players would be interested in going there.

Also Dyche might predominantly want British players. Burnley are defensive and a physical side. It'd suit him to sign someone from the Championship than the continent as they're more likely to play his hoofball.
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You could play for Burnley and live in Cheshire or Manchester like all the Liverpool, Utd and City players do. As a PL team they’ll pay very good wages too. I don’t think it’s a case of black people not wanting to play there.
 
It’s quite obviously deliberate. Everybody knows Burnley FC prioritise racist politics above results and football.
 
Haddock said:
Dyche was on a podcast recently (here's a link to it) where he was talking about what he expects in players, his recruitment process, his philosophy. The usual guff - disciplined, right attitude, respect, be humble, keep your head down etc. He seems to want to stamp out too much individual flair. I'd imagine it's a harder sell for players from a foreign footballing culture and Dyche strikes me as the type who would rather stick with characters he knows he can trust. ie. Mostly cheapish British footballers who speak the language and will integrate fast. Burnley may have plenty of money relative to a Ligue 1 team but they play in a league where rival teams spend money like water. They have one of the smallest wage bills in the league and bring players through an academy which is probably made up mostly of domestic/local talent. Do we honestly think Dyche wouldn't sign Zaha or Rashford if he had the money to?
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I know you're not a fan of my OP but you've actually provided reasons as to why Burnley's squad is the way it is. That was the sole intention of the OP.

In response to your post though, mangers such as Moyes, Allardyce and Pulis pretty much have the same philosophy as Dyche. They still had a heavy international presence in their team so its possible to get these qualities outside the British Isles.

I do agree with the finance aspect though, they hardly spend much compared to most clubs so that is a barrier I guess.
 
Lynty said:
East Africans dominate Long distance running, to an extent that many countries have actually considered not competing.
https://worldsmarathons.com/article/why-are-east-african-runners-so-dominant-

I think environment, expectation, daily routines and role models play a far bigger role than genetics.
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Not that it means anything but just to add, from experience. I went to a boarding school located in rural Zimbabwe and every first term we would have inters-chools district competition with rural schools from the area, they would win all the long distance events and we would ace the sprint ones.

I think it was because their stamina was developed from walking/running long distances and toiling in the fields, nothing to do with genetics because we were the same race and from the same country but just grew up differently.
 
Dwight McNeil is mixed raced surely? They also had Aaron Lennon for a few seasons.

Can count on one hand though the amount of foreign players Dyche has signed in last 5 seasons in prem though so that's a bigger talking point. Icelandic guy, Defour for a few years and Chris Wood and Vydra (who played for Dyche at Watford) and I'm struggling to think of anyone else.

They certainly don't take foreign players unproved in this league but Dyche was saying the other year their scouting wasn't good enough, dosen't he watch any other league himself?

He is very Martin O'Neill in the way he plays and general football outlook imo. Think Burnley are goint to have a Bournemouth type season.
 
El Jefe said:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1288306-the-greatest-pure-athletes-of-all-time
20 of the 25 in the list happen to be black. Of course this list isn't the be all and end all but even go across PL teams and the same pattern will be seen. Our most athletic players are probably Rashford, TFM, Axel, Bailly, Pogba and so on.

But anyway that's for another thread. Let's get back to Burnley, my thread wasn't about why are there no black players in Burnley. I specifically made mention of other races and countries. If you make another thread about athleticism, I'd be happy to debate there.
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This is exactly what I said: yes, lots of black top sporters (although only in specific disciplines), but top sporters only represent a tiny fraction of humanity and are statistically insignificant as a sample group. What is actually significant, is scientific research into the links between race and genetics, and that has conclusively demonstrated, as those links explain (did you even open them?), that race has no genetic implications beyond the skin. So why so many black top runners? See @Lynty 's post below. (I.e., blame society.)

And yes, this has been done in other threads as well, and always led to this same conclusion when someone bothered to check the science. So I'll leave it at this, thanks.

Lynty said:
East Africans dominate Long distance running, to an extent that many countries have actually considered not competing.
https://worldsmarathons.com/article/why-are-east-african-runners-so-dominant-

I think environment, expectation, daily routines and role models play a far bigger role than genetics.
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Dwight McNeil, Andre Gray, George-Kevin Nkoudou, Aaron Lennon have all plated for Burnley in the last 3 years.

Stop looking for problems.
 
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