Let Pnut get a different role and move on from this round. In all this I feel he got shafted the most
Disaster Draft (ex-Snakes and Ladders) - Now with Jordi's reply
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I need to know if those picks are final or not. Otherwise my pick will be different.
I agree, if MJJ got a different roll I don't know how I didn't.
What is going on? Why should Pnut and MJJ get different rolls because they made ineligible picks? They don't deserve a gift just for operating in grey areas and not getting away with it
In any case, this different roll thing is only shafting the drafters in the later part of the chain. Skizzo got shafted with the MJJ roll, and I really don't see why Pnut got shafted because he made two ineligible picks. It is his task to make sure they are not in some grey areas and this Thuram thing was always going to get some discussions going, despite EAP clearly stating on the first page that colonies are part of the continent of the parent country.
I don't see why there should be any re-rolls at all and I don't see why there should be waiting time for ineligible picks. If Edgar fecks up that is one thing, but if he gives a gift to one drafter, that makes the position of another drafter worse and they don't deserve to get punished for other people making ineligible picks.
In any case, this different roll thing is only shafting the drafters in the later part of the chain. Skizzo got shafted with the MJJ roll, and I really don't see why Pnut got shafted because he made two ineligible picks. It is his task to make sure they are not in some grey areas and this Thuram thing was always going to get some discussions going, despite EAP clearly stating on the first page that colonies are part of the continent of the parent country.
I don't see why there should be any re-rolls at all and I don't see why there should be waiting time for ineligible picks. If Edgar fecks up that is one thing, but if he gives a gift to one drafter, that makes the position of another drafter worse and they don't deserve to get punished for other people making ineligible picks.
Well, I’m off to bed soon and can’t make a pick until Edgar decides what’s going on
If it's your tun, pick away!
I can’t until you’ve clarified what’s going on
Send a PM to EAP who will validate or not your pick if necessary. Final say
No PMS , we all need to know WTF is going on, I am so confused atm
My pick was gonna be Bobby Moore until Edgar re-rolled MJJ. If that’s final, then I’ll pick someone else I guess.
Ah ok. Understood!
What is going on? Why should Pnut and MJJ get different rolls because they made ineligible picks? They don't deserve a gift just for operating in grey areas and not getting away with it
In any case, this different roll thing is only shafting the drafters in the later part of the chain. Skizzo got shafted with the MJJ roll, and I really don't see why Pnut got shafted because he made two ineligible picks. It is his task to make sure they are not in some grey areas and this Thuram thing was always going to get some discussions going, despite EAP clearly stating on the first page that colonies are part of the continent of the parent country.
I don't see why there should be any re-rolls at all and I don't see why there should be waiting time for ineligible picks. If Edgar fecks up that is one thing, but if he gives a gift to one drafter, that makes the position of another drafter worse and they don't deserve to get punished for other people making ineligible picks.
My only problem with it was the MJJ was rerolled for picking an ineligible player, I got stuck back in the same box
I’ll leave my pick with @harms
@Edgar Allan Pillow Here is what I am not understanding
1) You said colonies are part of the home country/continent yes? That makes Tigana an invalid pick. He was born in Mali in 1955 but Mali only won independence from France in 1960. There is no logical consistency if Thuram is not available in that category but Tigana is available because they are both in the exact same situation. They either both have to be available or neither available in that category.
2) The MJJ PNut picks have not been explained nor the rules governing either made clear to the rest of us (one got a bizarre re-roll and the other didn't)
3) We really need some definitive definitions on the Non-SA/Europe category. Its clearly not as simply as you think for us nerds
1) You said colonies are part of the home country/continent yes? That makes Tigana an invalid pick. He was born in Mali in 1955 but Mali only won independence from France in 1960. There is no logical consistency if Thuram is not available in that category but Tigana is available because they are both in the exact same situation. They either both have to be available or neither available in that category.
2) The MJJ PNut picks have not been explained nor the rules governing either made clear to the rest of us (one got a bizarre re-roll and the other didn't)
3) We really need some definitive definitions on the Non-SA/Europe category. Its clearly not as simply as you think for us nerds
I agree
In hindsight, the wording should have been "never played for a European and South-America country with the exception of USSR: wiki link". A European country plays the Euro versus a SA country plays La Copa America. After the all, the spirit behind this box was supposedly to pick players generally ignored in these draft.
Tigana is eligible because Mali is no current colony. Thuram was born in a current colony of France, that is the difference. Also the reason why Eusebio is okay, because Mozambique is not a colony as of today.
See his post here
This is not meant to be a history research. Current will suffice
That definitely seems to be what Edgar was trying to get at. I think at least which is why this should be clarified.
Every time there’s a draft category for specific country/colony requirements it goes like this 
Which is a bit unfair as the rule invalidating his pick was posted after he made his pick
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I assume this is why put was rerolled as he did clarify it.
Nah, I think it's the first time when we have a crisis of this magnitudeEvery time there’s a draft category for specific country/colony requirements it goes like this
That didn't clarify it though since Eusebio and Tigana were born into colonies and hence why they played their entire international careers at European nations. Edgar clarified it to "only current colonies" only after Pnut already made his Thuram pick which is problematic
Which is a bit unfair as the rule invalidating his pick was posted after he made his pick
No the rule invalidating his pick was made on the first page, days before the draft started.
This is the reason why Thuram is not eligible and there is really no argument. Guadelope is a colony, that means it counts as European. Thuram is not eligible and the only minor problem was that this wasn't in the OP, but it was on the first page and clarified way before the draft started.
I don't want Pnut to be shafted, yet he is not "shafted" when he makes an ineligible pick and then gets told that the pick is ineligible. It was ineligible from the start. The post from Edgar I quoted above had no relation to Thuram, it was only the post which gave clarification as to why Eusebio is eligible. Of course current colonies were excluded, through the post Edgar made on page 1.
Well if you flip it that way then Eusebio and Tigana never should have been valid picks because they were literally born into a colony.
Right now @Edgar Allan Pillow has applied two different rules to Pnut and MJJ
Either both should get re-rolls or neither should get a re-roll
It was Edgar's mistake to not clarify it regarding past colonies from the start. Still Thuram has always been ineligible. Before Pnut's pick and after his pick also.
Yet you can't do re-rolls for ineligible picks or feck-ups from the Draft master. Do re-picks, but never do re-rolls please. You can't make two wrongs to make it one right, and re-rolls shaft the drafters later in the chain big time.
That's the crux of it for me really. How on earth MJJ got a reroll to a good box and I get stuck back in the same one.
If you're from Russia, can you comment on queries about players from Europe or Asia (or both)?
@Edgar Allan Pillow should I proceed with Skizzos pick? Moore's pick won't be abolished?
What do you want to know in particular?If you're from Russia, can you comment on queries about players from Europe or Asia (or both)?
This is why @Edgar Allan Pillow needs a co-committee @antohan to avoid this mishaps when he is drunk/sleepy head
Well cos 1) I cleared my pick with edgar before making it, him being wrong on the rules isnt my fault and 2) I could easily have been rerolled to a bad box. Doubt you guys would be complaining then.
We need to have somebody who happy to collect all the picks in advance and support EAP
Edgar said MJJ got a re-roll because he made a mistake by saying Davids is OK even though Suriname in in SA.
So let's get on with it.
So let's get on with it.
Feck off. @MJJ doesnt get a re-roll
Feck off. @MJJ doesnt get a re-roll
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Okay, so, assuming that @Edgar Allan Pillow insists on his decision as he said earlier.
@Skizzo picks Paul McGrath
I pick George Weah
@Arbitrium
@Skizzo picks Paul McGrath
I pick George Weah
@Arbitrium
1) green_smiley - 1) M. Desailly
2) Ecstatic -1) J. Cruyff
3) Šjor Bepo/Beam - 1) Zico
4) Moby - 1) L. Messi
5) P-Nut0712 - 1) P. Vieira
6) Michaelf7777777 - Eusebio
7) 2mufc0 - 1) V. Voronin
8) prath92 - 1) P. Evra
9) MJJ/GodShaveTheQueen - 1) B. Moore
10) Enigma_87 - 1) J. Tigana
11) Indnyc/oneniltothearsenal - 1) O. Blokhin
12) Skizzo - 1) P. McGrath
13) harms - 1) G. Weah
14) Arbitrium - 1) L. Yashin
15) Don Alfredo - 1) D. Law
16) Himannv -
2) Ecstatic -1) J. Cruyff
3) Šjor Bepo/Beam - 1) Zico
4) Moby - 1) L. Messi
5) P-Nut0712 - 1) P. Vieira
6) Michaelf7777777 - Eusebio
7) 2mufc0 - 1) V. Voronin
8) prath92 - 1) P. Evra
9) MJJ/GodShaveTheQueen - 1) B. Moore
10) Enigma_87 - 1) J. Tigana
11) Indnyc/oneniltothearsenal - 1) O. Blokhin
12) Skizzo - 1) P. McGrath
13) harms - 1) G. Weah
14) Arbitrium - 1) L. Yashin
15) Don Alfredo - 1) D. Law
16) Himannv -
Wait did @Indnyc pick?